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911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 11:34:10 AM   
Hillwilliam


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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 12:09:11 PM   
FMRFGOPGAL


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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 3:47:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just for curiosity: am I the only one here who is firmly convinced 9/11 was inside job?

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 3:53:59 PM   
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Just for curiosity: am I the only one here who is firmly convinced 9/11 was inside job?


Hopefully.

Its rather insane.

Conspiracy theories are mocked for a reason. The probability that a conspiracy that significant could be kept absolutely leak-proof is incalculably small, and there is no actual evidence beyond an extreme dislike of Bush the Lesser to suggest anything of the sort.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 4:08:33 PM   
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Just for curiosity: am I the only one here who is firmly convinced 9/11 was inside job?


Hopefully.

Its rather insane.

Conspiracy theories are mocked for a reason. The probability that a conspiracy that significant could be kept absolutely leak-proof is incalculably small, and there is no actual evidence beyond an extreme dislike of Bush the Lesser to suggest anything of the sort.


Exactly.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 4:17:02 PM   
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Hopefully.

Its rather insane.

No, it is not. It is a matter of evidence-based (mine) world and propaganda-based world view. I recommend people a little exercise. Think what kind of solid evidence we have against small group of Arabs pulling it off.  Weight this against the evidence suggesting forces inside US power structure staged the whole event. If you take time to do this honestly you will understand my and (hundreds of millions others) position regarding this matter, the crime of the century. 

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 4:18:29 PM   
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(hundreds of millions others)


If I thought that number was anywhere close to true, I would have to think about moving to the woods and never interacting with humans again.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 4:28:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even in the absence of any evidence at all, the probability would be highly skewed against a hypothesis requiring absolute secrecy on the scale required for an "inside job." If you want to make a convincing argument, Im afraid you'll need to do somewhat better than appealing to popularity...which would still be a logical fallacy even if you werent pulling the "hundreds of millions" number out of your ass.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 4:32:48 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldyx3KHOFXw

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 4:47:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Just for curiosity: am I the only one here who is firmly convinced 9/11 was inside job?


Around here? Probably not.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 4:56:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RahvinDom

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Just for curiosity: am I the only one here who is firmly convinced 9/11 was inside job?


Hopefully.

Its rather insane.

Conspiracy theories are mocked for a reason. The probability that a conspiracy that significant could be kept absolutely leak-proof is incalculably small, and there is no actual evidence beyond an extreme dislike of Bush the Lesser to suggest anything of the sort.


I want to go on record as saying I wouldn't dream of attributing 9/11 to Bush2 in regard to it being a conspiracy. Based on the way he executed virtually everything else, that would be an impossibility for the reasons you cited alone.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 5:13:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ask yourselves, what is the temperature of exploding jet fuel? Then ask yourselves, how hot does steel have to get in order to evaporate? Ask yourselves, in regards to the Pennsylvania crash, how many plane crashes have happened in history where no engines or tail sections were ever recovered? Ask yourselves, how many of the 'alleged 19 hijackers' are still alive somewhere in the Arabic-speaking world? Ask yourselves, how was there a spike in Put Options against American Airlines and United Airlines in the 2 months before Sept. 11th? Why has nobody investigated those individuals who profited by those Put Options? What about Building 7? What about the NORAD standdown? What about Larry Silverstein's $2 billion insurance policy that he took out in the summer of 2001 that specifically covered against 'terrorism'? What about Marvin Bush taking over as head of security for the Twin Towers in 2001? What about Bush ordering a 2 day lockout of all employees for a 'security update'? RahvinDom, you can ignore all the evidence you want, but it doesn't change the facts.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 5:14:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Just for curiosity: am I the only one here who is firmly convinced 9/11 was inside job?



Sadly, not....One is "awaiting approval" and a few others abound. I cant believe human beings can be so stupid as to think that Bush set up 9/11.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 5:17:24 PM   
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I want to go on record as saying I wouldn't dream of attributing 9/11 to Bush2 in regard to it being a conspiracy. Based on the way he executed virtually everything else, that would be an impossibility for the reasons you cited alone.

There is some evidence G. W.B was not directly involved. He was sent out of town to teach kids. At some point he panicked and demanded to talk to Cheney.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 5:17:25 PM   
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Ask yourselves, what is the temperature of exploding jet fuel? Then ask yourselves, how hot does steel have to get in order to evaporate? Ask yourselves, in regards to the Pennsylvania crash, how many plane crashes have happened in history where no engines or tail sections were ever recovered? Ask yourselves, how many of the 'alleged 19 hijackers' are still alive somewhere in the Arabic-speaking world? Ask yourselves, how was there a spike in Put Options against American Airlines and United Airlines in the 2 months before Sept. 11th? Why has nobody investigated those individuals who profited by those Put Options? What about Building 7? What about the NORAD standdown? What about Larry Silverstein's $2 billion insurance policy that he took out in the summer of 2001 that specifically covered against 'terrorism'? What about Marvin Bush taking over as head of security for the Twin Towers in 2001? What about Bush ordering a 2 day lockout of all employees for a 'security update'? RahvinDom, you can ignore all the evidence you want, but it doesn't change the facts.



Your facts are not facts, just opinions. Evidence, if true, would be facts.


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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 5:20:23 PM   
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Your facts are not facts, just opinions. Evidence, if true, would be facts.


Please list 10 solid facts that proves Al Qaeda did it.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 5:32:44 PM   
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Your facts are not facts, just opinions. Evidence, if true, would be facts.


Please list 10 solid facts that proves Al Qaeda did it.



How about 21 reasons, all nineteen Al Qaida operatives who took part, or OBL, or KSM, who materminded the attack 6 years previously.

Shakes head in despair...... Turn of your keyboard and go read some books on it.

I often wonder if there is just one nutter spouting this, using loads of socks, or if that many people really are stupid. I have been through hours, and I mean hours, of video Real provided. All of it utter bollocks.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 5:46:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cheney couldn't even keep Libby out of prison, but he was smart enough to perpetrate a vast right wing conspiracy?

Really?

Just one question... How come no one has come forward and blew the whistle? I'm quite sure Assange would have printer their story.

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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 6:07:06 PM   
Fellow


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How about 21 reasons, all nineteen Al Qaida operatives who took part, or OBL, or KSM, who materminded the attack 6 years previously.


BS. I asked for the concrete evidence.  Give me just one then to chew if you can not come out with more. For example: the passports of two terrorists ejected from their pockets, flew through the fire and concrete walls of WTC, and they were immediately found by the FBI.  BTW, OBL was never officially charged for participation in 9/11 attacks. Tony Blair even publicly said there was nothing that would count for a court.


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RE: 911 More preventable than we thought. - 9/11/2012 6:07:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

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Your facts are not facts, just opinions. Evidence, if true, would be facts.


Please list 10 solid facts that proves Al Qaeda did it.



1)There's no evidence of conspiracy.
2)A percentage of those who believe there was a conspiracy use vast amounts of illicit drugs.
3)A percentage of those who believe there was a conspiracy are on anti depressants.
5)A percentage of those who believe there was a conspiracy use lithium.
6)A percentage of those who believe there was a conspiracy use some other anti-psychotic medication.
7)Al Qaeda did it and admitted as much.
8)A percentage of those who believe there was a conspiracy are just looking for attention.
9)It happened under the watchful eye of George Walker Bush. If you paid any attention to either the national debt or  banking, it fits like  OJ's glove.
10)No one credible in even the VAGUEST SENSE has ever come forward and said "I was involved in a conspiracy to destroy the WTC and blame it on jihadists ".

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