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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/12/2012 2:00:38 PM

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Well I guess if you're angling for justification to use military power to get your hands on control of other people's oil and money I guess you could see it that way.

But yes, I would agree that Obama is too busy campaigning to have time listening to extremist nutjobs who hold power in far away countries.

Then again Obama's foreign policy knocks spots off his predecessor.

Yep, yesterday's events prove you're 100% right

American diplomats were killed, and one was dragged through the streets, and what does Obama do?

Oh that's right, he fly's off to Vegas to party, spends the night in Denver, then parties some more tomorrow... There's some A1 leadership... You betcha!

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/12/2012 2:04:36 PM

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And there goes Obama, flying out to Las Vegas for a "fundraiser."
Another 18 holes of golf maybe?

And Mr. Romney doesnt do any funraisers? Besides, playing golf is good exercise. Get's one out of the house for a while. Or are you against the President doing the same things past US Presidents from both parties have done in years past? Or that Romney typically goes to golf courses for fundraisers (google 'romney', 'fundraisers', and 'golf' to find out how badly your a hypocrit)?

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/12/2012 2:06:58 PM

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And there goes Obama, flying out to Las Vegas for a "fundraiser."
Another 18 holes of golf maybe?

And Mr. Romney doesnt do any funraisers? Besides, playing golf is good exercise. Get's one out of the house for a while. Or are you against the President doing the same things past US Presidents from both parties have done in years past? Or that Romney typically goes to golf courses for fundraisers (google 'romney', 'fundraisers', and 'golf' to find out how badly your a hypocrit)?

Who the fuck is the President of the United States? Who just had three of his employees murdered in Libya?

Sorry joe, but America see's where Obama's priorities lie... And it ain't with the three dead diplomats.

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/12/2012 2:10:15 PM

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Are you indicating you have some specific knowledge in the matter? Or just waxing vitriolic. I've been all over the news today and seen no signs of any after-hours activity of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence or Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. And not to worry, I hear you can do basically anything you'd do in the White House Situation Room right on board Air Force One.

Granted. I work in an academic environment and we only study world, national, and local political and diplomatic affairs so we can misinform the public, right? With that said though, in professional circles, Obama uis getting a decent score for his handling of the matter, and Romney? Most agree he owes an apology to the families of those who hadn't even been reached with the news when he shot off his big mouth. It was the most Palinesque moment of his campaign so far.

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/12/2012 2:57:31 PM

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Well I guess if you're angling for justification to use military power to get your hands on control of other people's oil and money I guess you could see it that way.

But yes, I would agree that Obama is too busy campaigning to have time listening to extremist nutjobs who hold power in far away countries.

Then again Obama's foreign policy knocks spots off his predecessor.

Yep, yesterday's events prove you're 100% right

American diplomats were killed, and one was dragged through the streets, and what does Obama do?

Oh that's right, he fly's off to Vegas to party, spends the night in Denver, then parties some more tomorrow... There's some A1 leadership... You betcha!

This really shows the limit of your reasoning power with consideration to the powers of the US President. You make the mistake of 'doing nothing' with 'not stating publically what is being done secretively'. Its not like the President aired 'the plan' to take down Osama bin Laden to Americans before or during the event. You assume a great deal based on extremely little information.

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/12/2012 3:17:00 PM

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And there goes Obama, flying out to Las Vegas for a "fundraiser."
Another 18 holes of golf maybe?

And Mr. Romney doesnt do any funraisers? Besides, playing golf is good exercise. Get's one out of the house for a while. Or are you against the President doing the same things past US Presidents from both parties have done in years past? Or that Romney typically goes to golf courses for fundraisers (google 'romney', 'fundraisers', and 'golf' to find out how badly your a hypocrit)?

Who the fuck is the President of the United States? Who just had three of his employees murdered in Libya?

Sorry joe, but America see's where Obama's priorities lie... And it ain't with the three dead diplomats.

You want to play this game, subrob? How many times did former President George W. Bush go to Dover AFB to welcome those US soldiers, sailors, and airmen (and airwomen) whom gave the ultimate sacrifice on behalf of the United States of America for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (while he was president)? A man whom led the nation into both conflicts with a mountain of B.S., an infinatismal amount of evidence and a cowboy attitude of 'damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead'. Yeah, former President George W. Bush got 4,000+ of our military folks killed, 25,000+ in permanent and/or long term injuries, and added $4 Trillion onto the national debt. But couldnt go to Dover AFB....ONCE....to greet anyone of real importance!

If your going to bash President Obama over this, your being absolutely petty. Diplomats that serve in foreign countries know all to well, that things can and do, explode. And that their lives can be placed in vast amounts of danger on a moment's notice. That's why, we have US Marines that guard those diplomats and compounds, NOT, rent-a-cops. Yes, something bad flared up on the 11th aniversery of Sept. 11, 2001. Lets be thankful nothing worst happened. And pray and help for those whom lost their love ones. Rather than taking cheap jabs at the President, whom we all know you dislike and will use anything, regardless of how irrelevant it is linked to the President to bash him.

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/12/2012 3:41:28 PM

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While the world worries about Iranian nuclear advances...

Obama tells Israel he's too busy to meet with Netanyahu

I guess campaigning is more important than national security with this administration.

Sorry... I'm really confused subrob... I thought you weren't a supporter of Obama's?

Now you're posting a link that demonstrate how much influence he's exerting on the international stage, and how he's chosen to put Netanyahu back in his box.

Very strange.

Maybe you're having a change of heart... I mean, the Mitt-meister is having a pretty fucking torrid time of it at the mo.

Could you be turning into a swing vote perchance?

Or... was it just a gobsmackingly silly choice of links?

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/12/2012 5:38:41 PM

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American diplomats were killed, and one was dragged through the streets, and what does Obama do?

Just because nothing is said about his response doesn't mean that there hasn't been a response.

But when a situation escalates the last thing you do is to respond publicly in a way which further escalates the situation and places even more American diplomats in grave danger.

Isn't this obvious to you?

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 4:46:31 AM

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Well, according to the news the arab brotherhood has taken over our embasies in Egypt and Libya and killed one American.
The "Arab Spring?"
And Obama gave them how much of our money?
They do this because they're not afraid of him and have no respect for him,...or us.
He talks, bows and scrapes to terrorists, gives them our money and us his excuses.
I remember the last time one of our embasies was taken over in Iran. And we've already had a helocopter crash with 28 SEALS in it in the desert.
This isn't good.

(I keep seeing that vision of Chamberland getting off an airplane holding up a piece of paper in the air.)

Since when is he scraping to terrorists pops? Have you lost what little mind you had? BIN LADIN IS DEAD. YOUR PRESIDENT GAVE UP TRYING TO FIND HIM. OURS KILLED HIM.....

Keep bragging, the Muslim's are listening in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and the Sudan.

Spike that Football Barack!

Oh we must not forget our wonderful Sec State saying "We came, we saw, he died". while smirking about killing Ghadaffi.

Spike it Hillary!

Or the alternative, you could start a totally fake war get thousands of americans killed and then leave it to the next President to fix...No thanks. We've tried and tried the Republican brand of "tough". Just like clint eastwood its simply an act.

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 4:51:18 AM

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And there goes Obama, flying out to Las Vegas for a "fundraiser."
Another 18 holes of golf maybe?

Always know when pops realizes he can't win one. He changes the subject. But we ain't gonna change it pops. Bush went after Bin Laden, Gave up on Said bin laden. The same Bin Laden that killed thousands of your fellow countrymen.....He Gave UP on trying to find him........But, Pres. Obama. found him and gave the order to have him Killed...Dead....That is leadership!

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 4:51:51 AM

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How does one start a "fake war"? War is war. If you mean creating fake reasons for making war state so but the war itself is never fake... Those men and women who lost their lives would never say the war was fake.

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 4:55:35 AM

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How does one start a "fake war"? War is war. If you mean creating fake reasons for making war state so but the war itself is never fake... Those men and women who lost their lives would never say the war was fake.

I think you lived through the decision making period to go to that war. It was Faked....Of course, war is war, dying for no good reason is the saddest thing I can think of. Just as I said....we've seen the idea of Republican "strength" it is as fake as the "tough" image that clint eastwood portrays.

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 5:01:11 AM

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While the world worries about Iranian nuclear advances...

Obama tells Israel he's too busy to meet with Netanyahu

I guess campaigning is more important than national security with this administration.

So explain how your two links are connected, or is this just more bullshit......Sorry I was forgetting myself...... just more levity.

Your problem is you have taken 2+2 and not only failed to make it add up to 4, it dont even add up to 5, 6 or indeed 7.

Boi, hows my sense of humour looking now ?

I thought it was so self explanatory even a Brit would understand... Silly me.

1, the six nations in the first link are concerned about Iran
2, Israel is concerned about Iran
3, Obama is concerned with getting reelected, so he can make deals with Putin
4, Ignorance must be bliss in the UK

Well while the repubs are looking for their boyfriends in airport washrooms, for some fun, I am sure they'll complain when after all of these years...they did absolutely nothing about Iran.

So ALL of the rant about Obama is obviously the frustration with the repubs for the last 30 years.

The MOST IMPORTANT thing about going after Iran...is a profit.

When does the right realize...none have any clothes anymore.

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 5:08:31 AM

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I am not arguing the validity of the war, i have no inside knowledge if it, just the way you said it was all i was pointing out.

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 5:10:18 AM

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Got it. I should have explained better....:)

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 5:10:36 AM

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While the world worries about Iranian nuclear advances...

Obama tells Israel he's too busy to meet with Netanyahu

I guess campaigning is more important than national security with this administration.

Sorry... I'm really confused subrob... I thought you weren't a supporter of Obama's?

Now you're posting a link that demonstrate how much influence he's exerting on the international stage, and how he's chosen to put Netanyahu back in his box.

Very strange.

Maybe you're having a change of heart... I mean, the Mitt-meister is having a pretty fucking torrid time of it at the mo.

Could you be turning into a swing vote perchance?

Or... was it just a gobsmackingly silly choice of links?

You have found the right perspective. It's called cheap politically partisan hypocrisy.

The repubs deep down know the last 30 years of repub politics was a great waste of people and resources but still very profitable, adding plenty of debt service. The really important aspects of modern life.

War mongering is the game here kinkroids yet almost tax free, and here we are...they bitch because revenue is down from the Iraq war...so they need another war.

The republican party people...exists for money, profit, power and war... nothing else matters.

Enjoy !!

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 5:21:56 AM

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Speaking of foreign policy expertise in action . . .

Mr. Romney's rhetoric on embassy attacks is a discredit to his campaign

Mitt Romney has mess to clean up after falsely accusing Obama on Libya

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 5:37:31 AM

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Yemeni embassy overrun last night while Obama party's in Vegas.

The Arab Spring shall be forever known as Arab Spring Break.

Party on Barack.

I guess campaigning is better than sitting there for seven minutes and reading about goats while the nation is under attack... Right?

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 5:53:29 AM

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The embassy itself wasnt breached, and the people inside were in removed. which is why there were only police there, NOT the military

Also, nope at 11.55 last night he arrived in Aurora colorado, Remember the shootings that took place there?
He was in Vegas for five hours ... Gave a campaign speech....
What would you have him do, fly to egypt? libya, yemen?? in one day, what about Syria, Afghanistan? what would that have achieved but chaos, danger and possibly more attempts to kill more americans???
Do you believe he wasnt in contact with Hilary or his other "advisors"
From the Beeb...
In other developments:

Iranians chanting anti-US and anti-Israel slogans stage a protest outside the Swiss embassy in the Iranian capital, Tehran, which represents US interests
A small protest has taken place in Dhaka, Bangladesh, demanding that the film-maker be punished
In Iraq, there have been demonstrations in Baghdad and Basra, with the leader of one Islamist militia warning the film "will put all American interests in danger"
Unrest is also reported in Morocco, Sudan and Tunisia
Pakistani police say they "expect some protests" at the US embassy in Islamabad and are preparing to deal with them, the AFP news agency reports
Security has been increased at US embassies and consulates around the world; US officials say a marine anti-terrorism team is being deployed to Libya and two destroyers to the Libyan coast as a precautionary measure
US President Barack Obama has vowed to work with the Libyan authorities to bring those behind the Benghazi attack to justice
Mr Obama has held phone conversations with Mr Mursi and Libyan President Muhammad Magarief
Libyan officials have condemned the attack and pledged to investigate.

But you want WHAT to happen??pray tell...
yanno, in this world of technology, you can multitask almost everywhere, well, smart people can.

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RE: Obama's Foreign Policy Expertise In Action - 9/13/2012 5:57:22 AM

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American diplomats were killed, and one was dragged through the streets, and what does Obama do?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19584734
Three other US consul staff and several Libyans died in that attack, along with Ambassador J Christopher Stevens, who is believed to have died from smoke inhalation.

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