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KatyLied -> Big Ben (6/12/2006 12:21:34 PM)

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/9356067/detail.html




stef -> RE: Big Ben (6/12/2006 12:31:25 PM)

A ten millon dollar arm and a ten cent head.  This guy nailed it:

'Brain Freezes Before Road Surface'

~stef




KatyLied -> RE: Big Ben (6/12/2006 12:33:43 PM)

Yep, you got it.  What an idiot.




PlayfulOne -> RE: Big Ben (6/12/2006 12:48:03 PM)

Can we say dumb ass,   didn't anyone learn anything from Kellen Winslow?

K




maybemaybenot -> RE: Big Ben (6/12/2006 12:53:59 PM)

I just read that online an hour ago, but it didn't give the injuries on the site I was on. Here's hoping he comes thru it with minimal long term losses. As bad as it is, he is lucky he still has an intact cranium.

                                 mbmbn




Kedikat -> RE: Big Ben (6/12/2006 12:58:24 PM)

I've heard all the silly excuses for not wearing helmets. But I really think it comes down to vanity. Gotta look cool while riding your cool bike.

I'm more vain about my intelligence, so I wear the helmet.




stef -> RE: Big Ben (6/12/2006 1:01:44 PM)

From this ESPN article, he's pretty fucked up. 

"Pittsburgh media outlets reported that Roethlisberger was in surgery for a broken jaw. The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, citing a police source, reported Roethlisberger also broke his left sinus cavity, suffered a 9-inch laceration to the back of his head, lost teeth and has knee injuries from hitting the pavement. A plastic surgeon has been called in, the source said."

Charlie Batch better step up his workouts...

~stef 




KatyLied -> RE: Big Ben (6/12/2006 1:04:48 PM)

Yep, Charlie was reportedly at the hospital.  Also, fyi, the article I linked will provide updates, just hit "refresh".




UtopianRanger -> RE: Big Ben (6/12/2006 5:08:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Yep, Charlie was reportedly at the hospital.  Also, fyi, the article I linked will provide updates, just hit "refresh".


Just caught a few mins of ESPN and they had said he'll make a full recovery. If I was the Rooney's, I woulda paid him extra for a provision in his contract that says ''No motorcycles.''




 - R




theRose4U -> RE: Big Ben (6/12/2006 5:10:04 PM)

Last report I saw said broken nose and jaw, road rash and undefined trauma to both knees. Apparently no brain bucket means no leathers either.




KatyLied -> RE: Big Ben (6/19/2006 9:58:18 AM)

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/PIT/9514858

For anyone following the story.  Both Ben and the driver of the car will be cited.




maybemaybenot -> RE: Big Ben (6/19/2006 2:21:58 PM)

Katy:
You KNOW I have been following it..I'm glad he is OK physically. I am in agreement that he should be cited for having an expired liscense. You or I certainly would. I also saw a bit on the news in which he says he is going to start wearing a helmet. Got a question for you, since you are much closer to the actual sources and probably have better coverage.
Did the Rooneys and Cowher stipulate he wear a helmet? I am curious because he has been such an opponent to it. And knowing a lot of bikers who survived bike crashes, who still maintain there opposition to helmet laws.

                    mbmbn




KatyLied -> RE: Big Ben (6/19/2006 2:44:44 PM)

I don't know what has happened recently with the helmet thing.  But he legally, should've had one on anyway, because he didn't have enough driving time on a motorcycle to be excused from the PA helmet law.  It's moot I guess, since he wasn't driving legally to begin with.  What a mess.  And the Steelers first round draft pick is in jail on domestic violence charges.  Sheesh.  Should we hand it to you now?  hehe  I don't know if they can/will redo his contract.  I think he's in the I'm-happy and lucky-to-be-alive-phase right now and that's where this "I will wear a helmet" thing is coming from.




Level -> RE: Big Ben (6/19/2006 3:51:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

Katy:
You KNOW I have been following it..I'm glad he is OK physically. I am in agreement that he should be cited for having an expired liscense. You or I certainly would. I also saw a bit on the news in which he says he is going to start wearing a helmet. Got a question for you, since you are much closer to the actual sources and probably have better coverage.
Did the Rooneys and Cowher stipulate he wear a helmet? I am curious because he has been such an opponent to it. And knowing a lot of bikers who survived bike crashes, who still maintain there opposition to helmet laws.

                  mbmbn


I don't know about Rooney, but Cowher suggested he use a helmet.

http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16780871&BRD=2305&PAG=461&dept_id=478568&rfi=6

And Kellen Winslow stated that would never ride a motorcyle again. He also said his thoughts and prayers were with Roethlisberger.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9510944

Both are awesome talents, and I hope they stay healthy and have long careers. Remember Winslow's dad? I watched the playoff game where he and the Chargers beat Miami 41-38 in overtime.




KatyLied -> RE: Big Ben (6/19/2006 3:57:05 PM)

Level -

You are correct.  Cowher spoke to Ben after Kellen Winslow's accident.  Terry Bradshaw also urged him to put off his hobby until after hre retired.

Part of this I attribute to him being a 24 year old.  He's very young and has had a lot thrown at him.  I am not making excuses, I'm just taking a pause and trying to think how it would be, at his age, the fame, money, expectations, etc.

So....I'm hoping he is healthy and ready for the season by the time the first game is played.  Hopefully he will have learned a huge lesson.

I don't know who wrote his act of contrition speech, but they did a good job.




kickinchick -> RE: Big Ben (6/19/2006 4:21:15 PM)

Why any motorcyclist would ever not wear a helmet is totally beyond me?
Especially, a multi million dollar athelete.  I don't care how young they are?
Where the hell is his momma...spanking his ass?
I know Peyton, had his spanked and he ain't riding no cycles without helmets.........giggles




ScooterTrash -> RE: Big Ben (6/19/2006 5:19:29 PM)

First off, he's some football player, his life is no more valuable than anyone else’s, and so the overplayed publicity is ridiculous. He was riding without a license, which may or may not have contributed to his accident, but the issue of whether he was wearing a helmet or not, is irrelevant. He was breaking the law by even riding and is a poor example to those who may have thought he was some sort of role model. Not only that, but now he has infuriated a multitude of riders by his incident bringing focus onto the issue of helmets, solely because law enforcement spokespersons and the media can't keep themselves from throwing propaganda everywhere. Perhaps if he had been wearing one and was now being buried due to a snapped neck, the tune would be different, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but that's the reality of it. Helmets, just like seatbelts, do not prevent accidents; they are only effective, or ineffective, after the fact. In all actuality, it's more likely they will cause an accident than prevent one due to impaired sight and hearing, not to mention a bowling ball size pendulum on top of your neck. I don't have an issue with someone if they want to wear a helmet, go for it if that's what you want to do, but why is it that so many people think they have to be concerned if someone doesn't? In states where the right to decide for yourself has survived, the media still at some point in the news story, feel compelled to mention whether the rider had a helmet on or not. IT'S legal, who cares! It would make just as much sense to say if a minivan driver was wearing a helmet or not, or if they were wearing pink socks or a Rolex...it has no bearing on it. The point is, irregardless of how the media wants to skew the news, there was an unlicensed motorcycle rider and a car involved in an accident, and the CAR did not yield the right of way. Perhaps go after the real problem!
 
And yes, prior to this post even coming up, a letter was drafted and sent to multiple news agencies in our tristate area, where wearing a helmet is not mandatory. The complaint is about them constantly bringing up whether a rider was wearing a helmet or not, when reporting on a motorcycle mishap. They have yet to respond.




twicehappy -> RE: Big Ben (6/19/2006 6:01:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kickinchick

Why any motorcyclist would ever not wear a helmet is totally beyond me?


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kedikat

I've heard all the silly excuses for not wearing helmets. But I really think it comes down to vanity. Gotta look cool while riding your cool bike.I'm more vain about my intelligence, so I wear the helmet.


(apologies for large amounts of pasted material here but it is vital info to this post)

Why are bikers so against helmet laws? Is it the looking cool factor? Or maybe it is because as motorcyclists we have done our research; Maybe it is because we have all lost brothers because some well meaning but inadequately informed citizen pulled their helmet off thereby completing the severing of their brain stem; possibly it is because we have consciously made the decision that we do not wish to live as cripples all our lives.

Please read the following information, open up your eyes and see past the governmental propaganda about helmets.

                                 
 
Mandatory helmet law states account for sixty-one percent (61 %) of total motorcycle registrations. They account for sixty-four percent (64%) of the accidents and sixty-five percent (65%) of the fatalities.
While this data does not confirm that mandatory helmet laws lead to an increase in accidents and fatalities, it does show that the absence of a mandatory helmet law does not result in the sameSixty-five percent (65%) of motorcycle fatalities occurred in states having mandatory helmet laws. The remaining thirty-five percent (35%) of motorcycle fatalities occurred in states with either no helmet law or a modified type of helmet law, allowing adults the choice of helmet use

Only 2.5% of registered motorcycles are involved annually in accidents, representing just 1.1% of overall vehicle accidents.                                
MSF and National Safety Council, 1990 
NHTSA admits that motorcycle accidents make up only 1/10 of 1% of all medical expenses.

72% of U.S. motorcyclists already wear a helmet, either by choice or by existing state laws, while auto rivers use seat belts only 47% of the time. ...more than half of all auto fatalities involve a head injury... yet no one would suggest that auto drivers should wear helmets.

Automobile accidents account for 45.5% of all head injured patients and are responsible for 37.1% of all fatalities involving head injury.
The Journal of Trauma, 1989 

The rate of head injuries to non-helmeted riders (24.9% of total fatal & non-fatal injuries by body location) is less than the rate of head injuries for unrestrained auto drivers (39.6%). Moreover, in terms of shear numbers, there are nearly 10 times more auto fatalities attributed to head injuries than for motorcyclists.

"The automobile driver is at fault in more than 70% of all car/motorcycle conflicts."
Second International Congress on Automobile safety 

45.5% of motorcyclists involved in accidents had no motorcycle license; 92% had no formal training and more than half had less than 6 months experience. 62% of the accidents and 50% of the fatalities involve riders between the ages of 17-26.
Hurt Report, Traffic Safety Center of USC 

A helmet cannot prevent an accident.

A series of scientific studies by engineer D.R. Fisher concluded: Helmets increase the temperature of the wearers head more than 3 times as much as a wool cap and trap two-thirds of the heads heat without allowing it to dissipate; helmets reduce side vision an average of 41 degrees, representing a 16% impairment to the normal field of vision; sound attenuation represents an impairment in the ability of the rider to perceive or discriminate warning or other useful sounds that will decrease the risk of being involved in an accident.

How Helmets Can Kill1. Impact to the lower face bar is transmitted via the jaw to the skull.

2. The chin strap forces the jawbone upward.

3. The brain stem is severed.

The Helmet RotatesThis pattern of death emerged after four years of research.

But what about that ever-growing band of motorcyclists who didn't make it to the hospital? Many died in helmets that fitted well, were well adjusted, and were firmly in place at the time of the crash. Of course, some of these had fatal chest and abdominal injuries, but too many seemed to be dying from impacts they should have survived.

During the 1980s, reports from road accident research units worldwide showed an increasing incidence of a particular fatal skull injury among motorcyclists wearing full-face helmets. This common fatal injury was a skull base fracture -- a severe crack across the bones on which the brain sits. To try to explain how these devastating injuries were happening, some associates and I looked in depth at a small number of motorcyclists who had been fatally injured while wearing full-face helmets. At this time, the latest X-ray equipment available for patients with head injuries was computerized CT scanning (CAT scanning). CAT scans could be converted into three-dimensional images to help plan the surgery that crash victims often required. Using CAT scanning techniques, we compared the patterns of injury among 50 motorcyclists admitted to hospitals with 24 motorcyclists killed from similar impacts during the same period. We retrieved the helmets worn and also studied them with the CAT scanner.

Each motorcyclist's head was considered as a four-layered unit: 1) the helmet, 2) the scalp and facial skin, 3) the skull and facial bones, and 4) the brain. Detailed scientific information was gleaned from each of these layers. That information was then fed into a computer-based coding system for analysis. In addition to the CAT scan information, a detailed autopsy was performed on the fatally injured group. An independent neuropathology review was also performed on the brain of each motorcyclist killed.

When analyzed, our results showed that motorcyclists with broken facial bones usually had been wearing helmets that gave little or no facial protection. Furthermore, they had little on the way of brain injury. In contrast, those motorcyclists killed outright often had no facial injury, even if they suffered an impact to the front of the helmet. They did, however, have skull base fractures and unsurvivable brain injuries. Apparently, the blow to the chin bar had been transmitted to the chin strap, increasing its tightness sufficiently to drive the lower jaw upward into the base of the skull. The upward force into the skull base, then, may have caused the fracturing and subsequent brain damage.
The brain damage was concentrated at the critical brain stem region where the spinal cord effectively "plugs into" the base of the brain. Damage in that region is usually instantly fatal.

by Rodney D. Cooter, M.D.
Dr. Rodney Cooter is currently the Staff Grader in Plastic Surgery at St. James University Hospital, Leeds, United Kingdom. He trained for five years at the Weapon's Research Establishment in South Australia before completing a four-year training in engineering draftsmanship with Telecom Australia. He studied medicine at the University of Adelaide for six years before commencing surgical training. During his surgical training with the Australian Craniofacial Unit, developed an interest in the engineering aspects of injury to the head and face. In his doctoral thesis-Craniofacial Fracture Patterns-he examined the effects of helmets on injury patterns.


On top of which why should those who do not ride get to vote on whether or not we, the bikers, who do ride, have to wear a helmet. Like the sticker says;

                                  "Let those who ride decide!"







maybemaybenot -> RE: Big Ben (6/19/2006 6:16:39 PM)

Level.. TY for the links. I am aware that Cowher and Bradshaw advised him about helmet use after Winslows accident and that Ben had a " Rebel without a Cause" type attitude. And I agree with Katy, that is in large part due to his age.

I know the Patriots have something in the players contracts having to due with motorcycles. I believe it is under the dangerous activity clause. I'm not sure if they prohibit riding a motorcycle without a helmet or if they prohibit motorcycle riding altogether. < I am too lazy to Google it right now> I am wondering if the Steelers organization will go this way in the future. It is not something unique to the Pats, many NFL teams have this rule.

quote:

KatyLied:     Sheesh.  Should we hand it to you now?


LMFAO... woulda ya??? Please,   pretty please,   woulda ya? Not to be greedy or anything.[&:]
Many of us here in Patriots land are still drinking the Kool Aid, but are more than a little concerned at the players BB and Pioli let go this year.. But I am crossing my fingers and everything else I have that Law will come back to us this season. It will take a bit of the sting out of loosing Willie, Vinitieri, Bethel... and the list goes on and on.

Two more months and it's pre season, Katy.... I'm like a junkie jonsing for my fix.. LOL
Ben will be fine and ready to go, I am sure.  To tell you the truth... I prefer playing a healthy starting line up... no excuses that way when they get beat. I'm speaking in general terms,, not Steelers specific.

                      mbmbn




KatyLied -> RE: Big Ben (6/19/2006 6:21:01 PM)

quote:

Two more months and it's pre season, Katy.... I'm like a junkie jonsing for my fix.. LOL


hehe, I know it can't get here soon enough for me.  Our hurt qb and our first round draft pick in jail (I guess by now he's been bailed out).  Good times.

There is speculation that this incident will create stronger language in the player contracts, regarding dangerous activities. 

My brother was so angered by the accident that he told me to start rooting for Petyon Manning!  You know how bad that is.




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