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joether -> Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/12/2012 10:43:07 PM)

This video came up on videosift.com recently. Its a video from The Young Turks (TYT). In it, there is a poll regarding whom should get credit for killing Osama bin Laden. This isnt about all the SEALS, pilots, trainers, staff & support, command persons or the intelligence community. They all did very well. That wasnt the point of this poll. This poll was asking, which person running for the White House in 2012 should get credit for stopping Osama bin Laden, President Obama or Mr Romney. If your a sane person, make sure you have a few pillows under your chin, so it doesnt hit the floor to fast and break. Remember folks, this is of Ohio voters, which is a swing state for this election. Be prepared to be....shocked!





DomYngBlk -> RE: Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/13/2012 5:07:46 AM)

Thats the 15% that moved here from Michigan. The maze and blue fuck up their brains.




MrRodgers -> RE: Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/13/2012 5:17:51 AM)

One would have tried a minimum of respect for some...very few but some repubs. It is becoming very difficult to have even that much.

The absolute unadulterated ignorance of far too many on the right suggests it is they who are unemployed...not competent enough for the position of janitor or dishwasher etc., if you get my drift.

That's why I say I wouldn't vote for a repub for dogcatcher...they couldn't handle it.





SpaceSpank -> RE: Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/13/2012 5:31:53 AM)

This shouldn't shock anyone. You can do polls asking "Does the sun revolve around the Earth?" and you will STILL get people that answer "yes" if you have a wide enough sample of people. Same with "which is larger, the moon or the sun?", there are people that will answer that the moon is larger.

Some people relish in their ignorance like it's a prize, others were just not raised any better. Both are unfortunately likely to raise their children with the same level of ignorance in many areas of the country (let alone the world).




DesideriScuri -> RE: Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/13/2012 6:26:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
This video came up on videosift.com recently. Its a video from The Young Turks (TYT). In it, there is a poll regarding whom should get credit for killing Osama bin Laden. This isnt about all the SEALS, pilots, trainers, staff & support, command persons or the intelligence community. They all did very well. That wasnt the point of this poll. This poll was asking, which person running for the White House in 2012 should get credit for stopping Osama bin Laden, President Obama or Mr Romney. If your a sane person, make sure you have a few pillows under your chin, so it doesnt hit the floor to fast and break. Remember folks, this is of Ohio voters, which is a swing state for this election. Be prepared to be....shocked!


As is typical of TYT, only one side was presented. Admittedly, this is a huge head scratcher as Romney had little to do with any foreign policies (holding out possibility for partial credit in case Bain had anything to do with the manufacturing of weapons or other such stuff), let alone anything at all to do with the operation that killed bin Laden.

From page 7 of the PPP Ohio release, the %'s of people who think Romney more responsible than Obama:
    6% of Ohio likely voters (sample size 1,072; most accurate polling demographic)
    Based on Self-Identified Ideology:
      Very Conservative -- 15%
      Somewhat Conservative -- 6%
      Moderate -- 3%
      Somewhat Liberal -- 4%
      Very Liberal -- 4%

    Based on Self-Identified Party Affiliation:
      Democrat -- 1% (4.4 out of 444)*
      Republican -- 15% (59.6 out of 396)*
      Independent -- 1% ( 2.3 out of 236)*

    Based on Race:
      White -- 6%
      African American -- 3%
      Other -- 12%

    Based on Age:
      18-29 -- 9%
      30-45 -- 5%
      46-65 -- 6%
      65+ -- 6%

    *Addition errors brought to you courtesy of rounding rules



Makes one sit back, put your head in your palms and just shake back and forth. I can't see how anyone could think Romney had more to do with it than Obama. Damn it, Ohio! We can do better than this!!!






DarkSteven -> RE: Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/13/2012 6:39:40 AM)

Bain Capital bought out Al Qaeda, sucked it of its resources, and laid off all the mujadeen? I must have missed it.




mnottertail -> RE: Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/13/2012 7:31:14 AM)

It was one of those times that Bain Capital had that empty chair running it or not somewhere in 1999-2003 timeframe.




DomYngBlk -> RE: Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/13/2012 9:41:20 AM)

I am telling you. Don't blame it on people from ohio. Its the idiots from up north in blue and maze that have those stupid things floating around their heads.





joether -> RE: Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/13/2012 1:22:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
This video came up on videosift.com recently. Its a video from The Young Turks (TYT). In it, there is a poll regarding whom should get credit for killing Osama bin Laden. This isnt about all the SEALS, pilots, trainers, staff & support, command persons or the intelligence community. They all did very well. That wasnt the point of this poll. This poll was asking, which person running for the White House in 2012 should get credit for stopping Osama bin Laden, President Obama or Mr Romney. If your a sane person, make sure you have a few pillows under your chin, so it doesnt hit the floor to fast and break. Remember folks, this is of Ohio voters, which is a swing state for this election. Be prepared to be....shocked!


As is typical of TYT, only one side was presented. Admittedly, this is a huge head scratcher as Romney had little to do with any foreign policies (holding out possibility for partial credit in case Bain had anything to do with the manufacturing of weapons or other such stuff), let alone anything at all to do with the operation that killed bin Laden.

From page 7 of the PPP Ohio release, the %'s of people who think Romney more responsible than Obama:
    6% of Ohio likely voters (sample size 1,072; most accurate polling demographic)
    Based on Self-Identified Ideology:
      Very Conservative -- 15%
      Somewhat Conservative -- 6%
      Moderate -- 3%
      Somewhat Liberal -- 4%
      Very Liberal -- 4%

    Based on Self-Identified Party Affiliation:
      Democrat -- 1% (4.4 out of 444)*
      Republican -- 15% (59.6 out of 396)*
      Independent -- 1% ( 2.3 out of 236)*

    Based on Race:
      White -- 6%
      African American -- 3%
      Other -- 12%

    Based on Age:
      18-29 -- 9%
      30-45 -- 5%
      46-65 -- 6%
      65+ -- 6%

    *Addition errors brought to you courtesy of rounding rules



Makes one sit back, put your head in your palms and just shake back and forth. I can't see how anyone could think Romney had more to do with it than Obama. Damn it, Ohio! We can do better than this!!!


This isnt meant as a 'slam' towards the intelligence or wisdom of Ohio voters. It is stating that there are Ohio voters in surprisingly large numbers that argue Mitt Romney, someone that had NOTHING to do with the planning or execution, should be given credit for taking down Osama bin Laden. That is the thrust of this thread. He is believe to have done something that the history books KNOW he is not entitled to receive credit. But yet, the conservative folks can not accept what the President did for the nation in any form. So a total, absolutely, and well verified lie is better than being honest and truthful. Its one thing when Mr. Romney lies in his speechs, and usually the facts come out twenty-four hours later. Its another, when the folks that would vote for him, accept total lies rather than to honestly be actual adults and give credit where credit is due.

Back during the early part of the Iraq invasion, most folks in the nation, believed Saddam had 'massive stockpiles of WMDs'. There were folks that did not want the war; the peace types in particular. But at that time, most folks across the country and in Congress believed the President (George W. Bush at the time) would have access to information that could not be widely circulated for obvious reasons. When it came out that those WMDs were as false as flies growing out of smelly cloths, the people got understandably angery. This is not the case with a sizeable group of conservatives in the state of Ohio. The facts are widely circulated. One could make a discussion on the depth of the actual President's involvement into the operation, providing they had details and facts to back them up. But this isnt about how much 'work' and 'effort' the President placed into the operation. This is 'who should receive credit' when the options are A) President Obama or B) Mr. Romney. This sizable group of conservatives state something that is boldly false. And they demand others take them seriously in the future?

If this percentage of conservatives really believe this, its fair to question whether they are sane enough to vote in the next election. If they dont believe it, but state it to 'turn the screw of hatred towards the President a half turn', what does that say of their maturity level? Shouldnt we have adults whom are mature voting? Rather than mentally and emotionally compromised individuals who may also be so ignorant of recent US History as to render then unequipped to render a conscious decision?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/13/2012 2:45:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
This isnt meant as a 'slam' towards the intelligence or wisdom of Ohio voters. It is stating that there are Ohio voters in surprisingly large numbers that argue Mitt Romney, someone that had NOTHING to do with the planning or execution, should be given credit for taking down Osama bin Laden. That is the thrust of this thread. He is believe to have done something that the history books KNOW he is not entitled to receive credit. But yet, the conservative folks can not accept what the President did for the nation in any form. So a total, absolutely, and well verified lie is better than being honest and truthful. Its one thing when Mr. Romney lies in his speechs, and usually the facts come out twenty-four hours later. Its another, when the folks that would vote for him, accept total lies rather than to honestly be actual adults and give credit where credit is due.


Did you see the look on the guy's face? Did you hear him challenge their mentality? Did he make any such statement against the Democrats or Independents polled that said Romney? Of course not. 85% of respondents didn't choose Romney. I would have chosen "Undecided" simply because I don't think Obama had anything to do with the operation other than allowing it to happen, because he was the one required to make that decision. Romney had nothing to do with it, which is why I have to shake my head at the 15%.

quote:


Back during the early part of the Iraq invasion, most folks in the nation, believed Saddam had 'massive stockpiles of WMDs'. There were folks that did not want the war; the peace types in particular. But at that time, most folks across the country and in Congress believed the President (George W. Bush at the time) would have access to information that could not be widely circulated for obvious reasons. When it came out that those WMDs were as false as flies growing out of smelly cloths, the people got understandably angery. This is not the case with a sizeable group of conservatives in the state of Ohio. The facts are widely circulated. One could make a discussion on the depth of the actual President's involvement into the operation, providing they had details and facts to back them up. But this isnt about how much 'work' and 'effort' the President placed into the operation. This is 'who should receive credit' when the options are A) President Obama or B) Mr. Romney. This sizable group of conservatives state something that is boldly false. And they demand others take them seriously in the future?


This is why I shake my head. But, you are taking all Republicans and Far Right Ideologues for the 85% that didn't say Romney, too.

quote:


If this percentage of conservatives really believe this, its fair to question whether they are sane enough to vote in the next election. If they dont believe it, but state it to 'turn the screw of hatred towards the President a half turn', what does that say of their maturity level? Shouldnt we have adults whom are mature voting? Rather than mentally and emotionally compromised individuals who may also be so ignorant of recent US History as to render then unequipped to render a conscious decision?


Do "mature" voters really vote for someone, looking for "Obama money?" How many people vote without having a clue what things are really about? I wouldn't be surprised if half of all actual voters are clueless, voting only for the letter behind a name, or for a name that sounds familiar.

And, I'm a bit shocked that you would hint so openly at supporting voter suppression.




FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Jaw-Dropping Insane (9/13/2012 3:46:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Bain Capital bought out Al Qaeda, sucked it of its resources, and laid off all the mujadeen? I must have missed it.


You've got to be a shareholder to get the annual report.




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