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People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 11:05:56 AM   
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Jay Carney: Protests Not Directed At United States writ large or U.S. Policy

September 14, 2012

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said today at the daily press briefing:

"This is a fairly volatile situation and it is in response not to United States policy, not to, obviously, the Administration, not the to the American people. It is in response to a video, a film, that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting, that in now way justifies any violent reaction to it, but this is not a case of protests directed at the United States writ large or at US policy, this is in response to a video that is offensive,and, to Muslims. Again, this is not in any way justifying violence, and we've spoken very clearly out against that, and condemned it."


Obama's own Baghdad Bob is at it again...

Now Romney uses Obama's definition to define the middle class, and he's called out of touch. Shall we see how many here are intellectually honest enough to admit Jay Carney is a lying asswipe?

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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 11:14:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		This poor representative "evidence" aside(Check with a lawyer or even a cop. They'll tell you the text you selected won't get you a conviction), yeah Romney is WAY out of touch. And he has no clue about the middle class. Otherwise, he could stick to his story for at least 24 hours.

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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 11:32:16 AM   
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This poor representative "evidence" aside(Check with a lawyer or even a cop. They'll tell you the text you selected won't get you a conviction), yeah Romney is WAY out of touch. And he has no clue about the middle class. Otherwise, he could stick to his story for at least 24 hours.




IOW you have no opinion on the topic, but would rather throw barbs because the auto correct on my phone used call instead of called... So how is it possible to consider Romney guilty, but Obama innocent?

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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 11:35:02 AM   
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Now this is what I call out of touch

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Jay Carney: Protests Not Directed At United States writ large or U.S. Policy

September 14, 2012

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said today at the daily press briefing:

"This is a fairly volatile situation and it is in response not to United States policy, not to, obviously, the Administration, not the to the American people. It is in response to a video, a film, that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting, that in now way justifies any violent reaction to it, but this is not a case of protests directed at the United States writ large or at US policy, this is in response to a video that is offensive,and, to Muslims. Again, this is not in any way justifying violence, and we've spoken very clearly out against that, and condemned it."


Obama's own Baghdad Bob is at it again...

Now Romney uses Obama's definition to define the middle class, and he's called out of touch. Shall we see how many here are intellectually honest enough to admit Jay Carney is a lying asswipe?




Maybe Romeny should "triple-down" and take the bigotted film-makers and the white-trash reverend film-promoter with him on the bus to campaign with him.......

He always has a video screen set-up with him.....a top notch sound system too...

Why not screen the film right there on his stops......?.


What a bunch of selfish, ignorant fucks they are......



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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 12:13:02 PM   
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Now this is what I call out of touch

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Jay Carney: Protests Not Directed At United States writ large or U.S. Policy

September 14, 2012

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said today at the daily press briefing:

"This is a fairly volatile situation and it is in response not to United States policy, not to, obviously, the Administration, not the to the American people. It is in response to a video, a film, that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting, that in now way justifies any violent reaction to it, but this is not a case of protests directed at the United States writ large or at US policy, this is in response to a video that is offensive,and, to Muslims. Again, this is not in any way justifying violence, and we've spoken very clearly out against that, and condemned it."


Obama's own Baghdad Bob is at it again...

Now Romney uses Obama's definition to define the middle class, and he's called out of touch. Shall we see how many here are intellectually honest enough to admit Jay Carney is a lying asswipe?




Maybe Romeny should "triple-down" and take the bigotted film-makers and the white-trash reverend film-promoter with him on the bus to campaign with him.......

He always has a video screen set-up with him.....a top notch sound system too...

Why not screen the film right there on his stops......?.


What a bunch of selfish, ignorant fucks they are......




The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.


So stop it already!

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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 12:32:24 PM   
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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 12:51:30 PM   
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But they can use their own religious beliefs to denigrate anyone else?


Ya know. . . I am actually really okay with that (denigrating people's religious beliefs ~ this is America after all, it is a national hobby and has been since colonial times). Freedom of speech and all. It is using one's religious beliefs to murder and rape people that pisses me off.

I know that Sec. of State Clinton really wanted to say: "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others unless they are Christians or Jews."

Because that is the way it works, isn't it Tazzy. It is perfectly okay to denigrate the Christians and Jews. . . but the Muslims get a free pass.

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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 1:33:36 PM   
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Now this is what I call out of touch

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Jay Carney: Protests Not Directed At United States writ large or U.S. Policy

September 14, 2012

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said today at the daily press briefing:

"This is a fairly volatile situation and it is in response not to United States policy, not to, obviously, the Administration, not the to the American people. It is in response to a video, a film, that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting, that in now way justifies any violent reaction to it, but this is not a case of protests directed at the United States writ large or at US policy, this is in response to a video that is offensive,and, to Muslims. Again, this is not in any way justifying violence, and we've spoken very clearly out against that, and condemned it."


Obama's own Baghdad Bob is at it again...

Now Romney uses Obama's definition to define the middle class, and he's called out of touch. Shall we see how many here are intellectually honest enough to admit Jay Carney is a lying asswipe?




Maybe Romeny should "triple-down" and take the bigotted film-makers and the white-trash reverend film-promoter with him on the bus to campaign with him.......

He always has a video screen set-up with him.....a top notch sound system too...

Why not screen the film right there on his stops......?.


What a bunch of selfish, ignorant fucks they are......




The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.


So stop it already!



Again......what`s wrong with that statement......?Stop keeping it a secret?

And shouldn`t you cons hold off attacking our diplomats and their statements till AFTER the smoke clears?

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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 1:36:07 PM   
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But they can use their own religious beliefs to denigrate anyone else?

No they can't and shouldn't....but isn't it past time that someone stand up and explain to the worlds believers in Islam that it isn't the 14th century anymore.
While their religion might hold that slandering ,or speaking ill of the prophet Mohammed is a capitol offence ,the rest of the world doesn't subscribe ,and is not willing to be held to such a standard.
While I deplore the intentional denigration of their(or anyone's) belief system none of that justifies such wanton violence.
Understand another's culture and faith system is all well and good.....but it's a two way street,here in the west every single asshole has the right to set about proving to the rest of the world that he/she is,indeed,an asshole.
Storming embassy's and dragging out diplomat's to murder them is not an acceptable,nor proportional response.

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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 2:02:31 PM   
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IOW you have no opinion on the topic, but would rather throw barbs because the auto correct on my phone used call instead of called... So how is it possible to consider Romney guilty, but Obama innocent?


Oh, quite the contrary, I answered you definitively. And everyone reading it, will get that I think not only is Romney out of touch with the middle class. He's also WAYYYYYYYY out of touch when it comes to statesmanship. His public relations disaster of 9/11/12 where he, if even just socially inappropriately took authority to make devisive remarks in opposition to the seated President's quite appropriate efforts to lead the country through an evolving crisis.
  It's easily the diplomatic equivalent of shouting fire in a movie theater. And we're lucky that Al Qaeda and those inspired by them with quasi military training either didn't use his encouragement to interpret weakness on the government's behalf.
  But sorry subrob, your specious argument that the US State Department should have threatened the people of Egypt because some kooks put out a film that is clearly racism, and some other kooks pull down a flag. So how is it that whenever a the American Nazi party makes one of their videos with black people being depicted horribly or even threateningly, that the State dept doesn't go forward and issue threats in places where there are people of color abroad? There is no shame in renouncing racist content in a document or film produced under the protection of the 1st amendment. Anyone who wishes to accuse the President of any constraint on free speech by allowing his subordinates of trampling free speech needs to learn what the First Amendment really says. NO ONE was STOPPED or IMPEDED in engaging in their perversion of the First. They were called out on it. Or do you have some evidence that the government acted to restrained the racist kooks so tightly embraced by the republicans? Merely stating publicly (EVEN as an official policy position) that some written or spoken document, film, song, or speech DOES NOT constitute a violation of the first amendment.
  Tell you what, HOW ABOUT you show me where in the constitution it is said, that when an INDIVIDUAL creates any instrument of free speech that it suddenly becomes the responsibility of the United States Government to defend it in a FOREIGN LAND.
And as far as you doing some kind of logical reach-around on the reader citing some reference to Romney using Obama's model of anything (He doesn't except maybe you're possibly referring how he now has only one objection to Obama Care now and he's saying he won't repeal it) Is there even ONE broken promise that will trigger the "I've Been Had" response?
  But that aside,I think you need to restate your purpose to this thread.
Is it about how if Romney adopts more Obama policy, more people will like him? Or is it about the trampling of racist's rights in the film industry? Or is it because Hillary didn't hop the wall in Cairo and blow all those mother fuckers away with a 60 Caliber squeezed between her ample thighs?

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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 2:20:22 PM   
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The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.


So stop it already!


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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 5:19:43 PM   
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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 6:18:30 PM   
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Now this is what I call out of touch

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Jay Carney: Protests Not Directed At United States writ large or U.S. Policy

September 14, 2012

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said today at the daily press briefing:

"This is a fairly volatile situation and it is in response not to United States policy, not to, obviously, the Administration, not the to the American people. It is in response to a video, a film, that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting, that in now way justifies any violent reaction to it, but this is not a case of protests directed at the United States writ large or at US policy, this is in response to a video that is offensive,and, to Muslims. Again, this is not in any way justifying violence, and we've spoken very clearly out against that, and condemned it."


Obama's own Baghdad Bob is at it again...

Now Romney uses Obama's definition to define the middle class, and he's called out of touch. Shall we see how many here are intellectually honest enough to admit Jay Carney is a lying asswipe?


Which of Carney's points on the Middle East riots do you disagree with? Was the film not what set folks off? If not, what was?



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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 6:21:45 PM   
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isn't it past time that someone stand up and explain to the worlds believers in Islam that it isn't the 14th century anymore.

It is. I'm not sure, though, how one gets that point across effectively.

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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 6:26:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		With an appropriate, "F-off" to the hijackers on the thread, Carney's comments are about as ridiculous as it gets.

The flags being ripped down in stormed embassies, and burned by mobs in the streets represent all of us. The President being burned in effigy is the face of our nation to the world. It's "death to America," not "death to this particular little group of people."

Blame their ignorance of what it means to live in a free society. Blame the mullahs. Point blame any damn place you like, but the offended are very much pointing their anger directly at the whole US of A.

I'm a free speech kind of guy. Nobody tells us what movies we can and cannot make, or what we can and cannot say about their holy man, or any holy man. Egypt, in particular, can get to coming up with one hell of an apology, or they can fucking eat sand when we cancel their aid check.



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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 6:27:42 PM   
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It is. I'm not sure, though, how one gets that point across effectively.



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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 6:32:20 PM   
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No, the things that are broadcast or communicated on the web cannot change the world...Arab Spring....Occupy Wall Street....nope, it is ridiculous to think that things on the web can change people's actions.

Free speech, certainly, but speech has repercussions at times, to deny that is blind stupidity.

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Da hell with Romney And Obama. - 9/14/2012 6:33:06 PM   
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And on a note concerning this thread.. Why the fuck are you talking about Romney?

How about we talk about how neither one of them are gonna do a Eff'n thing to catch the bastards that killed Americans.

American's I might add that had Absolutely NOTHING to do with the video.

Also.. The white house asked google to take the video down. Y'know what google said.

NO they said no. But we will censor it in certain muslin run countries.

Google this. Louie Gohmert. And listen to what he said about this incident.
He hits the nail right on the head.

Going around telling people not to make images or videos insulting muhamed or jesus or who ever the hell you want to insult is not only Damaging to 1st amendment rights.

But in this case its forcing all Americans to bend to sharia law. He's dead on the money. If we tell someone that. that video is wrong. or bad ad not to do that. That we are allowing the terrorists to win.

You've allowed them to successfully infiltrate your brain. and make you (who have nothing to do with it) feel bad for them. because someone is picking on them.

FUCK THAT BULLSHIT.

Are you as an American not tired of listening to the international community as a whole Continue to come down on us like we're some bad role models that need spanking?

Or as an American, are you fed up and sick and tired of the world as a whole using US as scapegoats for their own inhumanity?

I know I sure am.

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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/14/2012 6:37:02 PM   
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But they can use their own religious beliefs to denigrate anyone else?


Ya know. . . I am actually really okay with that (denigrating people's religious beliefs ~ this is America after all, it is a national hobby and has been since colonial times). Freedom of speech and all. It is using one's religious beliefs to murder and rape people that pisses me off.

I know that Sec. of State Clinton really wanted to say: "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others unless they are Christians or Jews."

Because that is the way it works, isn't it Tazzy. It is perfectly okay to denigrate the Christians and Jews. . . but the Muslims get a free pass.


Actually, I give none of them a pass... including the bible thumping, morally superior feeling idiots who are demanding that people like me follow their moral codes

And, yes, you have the right to say any ole thing your heart desires.

With rights come responsibilities.



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RE: People claim Romney is out of touch... - 9/15/2012 3:15:11 AM   
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With an appropriate, "F-off" to the hijackers on the thread, Carney's comments are about as ridiculous as it gets.

The flags being ripped down in stormed embassies, and burned by mobs in the streets represent all of us. The President being burned in effigy is the face of our nation to the world. It's "death to America," not "death to this particular little group of people."

Blame their ignorance of what it means to live in a free society. Blame the mullahs. Point blame any damn place you like, but the offended are very much pointing their anger directly at the whole US of A.

I'm a free speech kind of guy. Nobody tells us what movies we can and cannot make, or what we can and cannot say about their holy man, or any holy man. Egypt, in particular, can get to coming up with one hell of an apology, or they can fucking eat sand when we cancel their aid check.



And here is the problem.....Many of you think the world can be molded in your own image. Knee-jerk reactions dont wash such as stoping aid to Egypt. Morsi has already condemned the attacks and promised to defend foreign embassies.

Carney is correct for the most part, Libya aside since the protests over the film seem to have been used to cover a terrorist attack, possibly in response to drone attacks you and I have both supported. The German embassy has had protests against it for some time due to its stance in circumcision, the British embassy shares an entrance.

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