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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 7:06:08 AM   
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The state would eschew the appearance of any partiality or prejudice in this famous case.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 7:10:13 AM   
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And the judge.

That has a FAR bigger impact on the case than the amount of donated money used for bond.


Hardly, nobody is looking to give the judge a number and watch him closely, or dress him in ribbons and pinafore for the square dance in the common area every saturday night. 

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 8:15:55 AM   
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And the judge.

That has a FAR bigger impact on the case than the amount of donated money used for bond.


Hardly, nobody is looking to give the judge a number and watch him closely, or dress him in ribbons and pinafore for the square dance in the common area every saturday night. 


Different judges rule differently. This is hardly in dispute. Meanwhile, the amount of bond has no effect on further court proceedings beyond ensuring the Defendant's appearance (which the Defendant has always done in this case when asked regardless of bond.)

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 8:20:27 AM   
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Yeah, nobody gives a fuck about these canards you keep bringing up.

He lied by allowing his attorney to misrepresent while remaining silent, the bail went up, nothing here is relevant to the fact that it will be introduced in trial, unless there is some foolish (and reverseable error by the new judge).

The bail money is neither here nor there.

You've won all the points not in dispute, but nobody is arguing those, the rest have been of lesser reality. 

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 8:26:55 AM   
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nothing here is relevant to the fact that it will be introduced in trial


No it won't.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 8:33:26 AM   
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So far you have been batting way less than a hundred.  I don't see how it can be ruled out.  But it will be interesting to read the opinion if it is.  I will give you around a 2% chance.



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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 8:36:18 AM   
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So far you have been batting way less than a hundred. 




Untrue.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 8:38:15 AM   
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lol.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 8:58:21 AM   
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And what proof do you have of editing jail call transcripts.



Shelley's probable cause affidavit

Read page 2, and compare to

Actual bond hearing transcript

Page 26. It's easy to see what the State edited out where Shellie offered to get the person on the phone who could give a current estimate how much money the Zimmmermans had collected.


So it just what you think...well that explains alot. As you say "You have no proof" I also not you did not reply to my comments on O'Mara, that is not surprising, you avoid any hard questions that condicte your opinion, you are batting less than 100....

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 9:21:59 AM   
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So it just what you think...well that explains alot. As you say "You have no proof"


You realize that is proof right there? The actual transcript, then the State edited version that cut out material from what was actually said?

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I also not you did not reply to my comments on O'Mara


That one is simple. O'Mara's statements were before the jail calls became public knowledge when we found out George actually did try and tell O'Mara about the funds before the bond hearing.

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you avoid any hard questions that condicte your opinion, you are batting less than 100....


Untrue. (It also doesn't help you're case that you don't generally ever come up with facts to contradict my stance.)

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 1:15:19 PM   
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So it just what you think...well that explains alot. As you say "You have no proof"


You realize that is proof right there? The actual transcript, then the State edited version that cut out material from what was actually said?

No proof of the State editing...just your opinion, and as they say opinion are like a**holes.....

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I also not you did not reply to my comments on O'Mara


That one is simple. O'Mara's statements were before the jail calls became public knowledge when we found out George actually did try and tell O'Mara about the funds before the bond hearing.

O'Mara would still have faced being disbarred, that is his statemant.

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you avoid any hard questions that condicte your opinion, you are batting less than 100....


Untrue. (It also doesn't help you're case that you don't generally ever come up with facts to contradict my stance.)

Again you avoid questions, why hasn't O'Mara simply asked for a dismissal?

Like this one....remember?
Further you keep saying there is no proof. If that were fact then O'Mara would have not requested a wavier to a speedy trail nor state the the case would not go to trial will not start until 2013 and go to 2014? O'Mara is a smart lawyer, he would by now see what you do and just have trail and get it over

As I said you always aviod questions that don't fit you views. I am still waiting on you answer other questions...like you witness you stated will prove Zimmerman, when her statement stated she never left her home and thought she heard someone walking their dog....but that okay as I said you don't answer questions that don't fit your view



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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 1:34:22 PM   
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And the judge.

That has a FAR bigger impact on the case than the amount of donated money used for bond.


I see the Court just making sure that when Zimmerman is convicted of his crime, he has absolutely no grounds for appeal.

He *really* shouldn't have directed his attorney to lie to the court on his behalf. There's like an institutional hatred of that kind of shit. Shows a complete disregard for the Courts' authority.



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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 1:40:56 PM   
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George Zimmerman's DNA, not Trayvon Martin's, found on gun

Only DNA from George Zimmerman was found on the grip of the gun that was used in the fatal shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin, according to DNA test results released Wednesday.
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Zimmerman has acknowledged shooting Martin, but insists he acted in self-defense in the wake of a confrontation that left him injured.

The DNA findings could play a role in the trial, allowing the prosecution to argue against self-defense since it now seems that Martin never touched the weapon. The defense could counter that Zimmerman shot before Martin could get to the gun.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-zimmerman-prosecution-dna-evidence-20120919,0,120380.story

This just seems to keep going downhill.

This isnt started to renew the previous arguments. Its about the DNA evidence in the case and this part of the trial. I foresee this being a sticking point with a jury.

Anyone else glad this is dragging out a bit?


White boy still gonna walk on all charges. Florida is still in the south ain't it?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 2:11:22 PM   
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White boy still gonna walk on all charges. Florida is still in the south ain't it?

He might walk bc of the way the law is structured.
But the SYG law doesn't specify skin color.
Helluva lot of us libs from Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, NJ and NY living down here.
Helluva a lot of Latinos, Haitians, Islanders, and Afro-americans living down here.
This aint nobody's grandaddy's plantation anymore.
Y'all come down, y'hear

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 2:22:50 PM   
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So if this was reverse and zimmerman was the 17 year old and Martin was an older black man? We'd have all these threads that the older black man was innocent?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 2:49:02 PM   
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So if this was reverse and zimmerman was the 17 year old and Martin was an older black man? We'd have all these threads that the older black man was innocent?

That would be my position.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 2:51:24 PM   
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I see the Court just making sure that when Zimmerman is convicted of his crime, he has absolutely no grounds for appeal.



That's not the job of the appellate court. (The court that kicked Lester off the case). The appellate court is there to make sure the lower court followed the law correctly. In this case, 5th DCA ruled that Lester didn't do so when he refused to recuse himself.



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He *really* shouldn't have directed his attorney to lie to the court on his behalf. There's like an institutional hatred of that kind of shit. Shows a complete disregard for the Courts' authority.


No evidence that he did.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 2:53:12 PM   
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No, then we would have a concerned 17 year old citizen trying to prevent a possible crime, and an older black man who attacked him and broke his nose, and the 17 year old shooting his mugger in self defense.

My judgment in this alternative case remains the same: the black guy was the perp and it is good that he got himself a Darwin award.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 2:53:52 PM   
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So if this was reverse and zimmerman was the 17 year old and Martin was an older black man? We'd have all these threads that the older black man was innocent?


Probably not. If Zimmerman was black, Benjamin Crump etc wouldn't have gotten involved, hired a PR firm to invent a story to cause national attention (there are still people that actually believe it's against NW rules to be armed thanks to that early misinformation), we'd probably have never heard of it, and Zimmerman would probably never have been prosecuted.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/3/2012 2:58:57 PM   
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Not sure what fantasy land you live in. But in the real world it would have already gone to trial. The older Mr Martin would have been given the max and be in jail already.

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