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DomKen -> Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/21/2012 6:32:00 PM)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-david-muir-interview-mitt-romney/story?id=16881787&page=2#.UBaD9qk1exE
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I don't pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president.


So today he released his 2011 returns and lo and behold he paid more than he had to(to avoid paying only 9% and making him a liar about always paying at least 13%)
http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2012/09/note-trustee-brad-malt

It's so inept its almost funny.




Yachtie -> RE: Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/21/2012 6:50:39 PM)

And Obama's one term presidency statement? Covered Here,,, here,,, and with spin added, here.

“A year from now I think people are going to see that we’re starting to make some progress,” said Obama. ”But there’s still going to be some pain out there. If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

Hold him to it.[:D]




Lucylastic -> RE: Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/21/2012 7:00:50 PM)

LOL a promise he (Obama) made without knowing JUST how bad things were, to covering up a lie about his factual information(Romney)
Yeah really
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apples to oranges... mouldy oranges




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/21/2012 7:04:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-david-muir-interview-mitt-romney/story?id=16881787&page=2#.UBaD9qk1exE
quote:

I don't pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president.


So today he released his 2011 returns and lo and behold he paid more than he had to(to avoid paying only 9% and making him a liar about always paying at least 13%)
http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2012/09/note-trustee-brad-malt

It's so inept its almost funny.

Just proving that while money can buy a lot of things, it can't buy intelligence, or integrity, or it would appear, even good staffers or handlers....[&:]




DesideriScuri -> RE: Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/21/2012 7:47:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
LOL a promise he (Obama) made without knowing JUST how bad things were, to covering up a lie about his factual information(Romney)
Yeah really
[8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|]
apples to oranges... mouldy oranges


Perhaps he shouldn't have made the promise then? Or, are we going to go out and say whatever we want and then when we don't produce, say we didn't realize how bad it actually was? What of his crack(pot) economic team that didn't realize how bad it was? how the fuck do you assemble a team of "experts" that couldn't figure out how bad shit was?





slvemike4u -> RE: Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/21/2012 9:41:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
LOL a promise he (Obama) made without knowing JUST how bad things were, to covering up a lie about his factual information(Romney)
Yeah really
[8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|]
apples to oranges... mouldy oranges


Perhaps he shouldn't have made the promise then? Or, are we going to go out and say whatever we want and then when we don't produce, say we didn't realize how bad it actually was? What of his crack(pot) economic team that didn't realize how bad it was? how the fuck do you assemble a team of "experts" that couldn't figure out how bad shit was?



Well Romney has assembled a team of campaign "experts" who don't know how to run a fucking campaign.
This is Keystone Kops shit,the candidate can not stay on message,was upstaged at his own convention by a fucking stool,and on the day they want/intend to roll out a new start Romney's 47% video comes out and the message is,once again,lost.




tazzygirl -> RE: Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/21/2012 11:27:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
LOL a promise he (Obama) made without knowing JUST how bad things were, to covering up a lie about his factual information(Romney)
Yeah really
[8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|]
apples to oranges... mouldy oranges


Perhaps he shouldn't have made the promise then? Or, are we going to go out and say whatever we want and then when we don't produce, say we didn't realize how bad it actually was? What of his crack(pot) economic team that didn't realize how bad it was? how the fuck do you assemble a team of "experts" that couldn't figure out how bad shit was?




Hmmm.. lets see...

He stabilized the banking industry...

Prevented the auto industry from going completely under...

Reversed a terrifyingly fast rise in unemployment....

Enacted a sweeping health care reform law....

And these are just some of the ways he has "made progress"

Facts are facts.




subrob1967 -> RE: Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/22/2012 12:35:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
LOL a promise he (Obama) made without knowing JUST how bad things were, to covering up a lie about his factual information(Romney)
Yeah really
[8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|]
apples to oranges... mouldy oranges


Perhaps he shouldn't have made the promise then? Or, are we going to go out and say whatever we want and then when we don't produce, say we didn't realize how bad it actually was? What of his crack(pot) economic team that didn't realize how bad it was? how the fuck do you assemble a team of "experts" that couldn't figure out how bad shit was?




Hmmm.. lets see...

He stabilized the banking industry...

Prevented the auto industry from going completely under...

Reversed a terrifyingly fast rise in unemployment....

Enacted a sweeping health care reform law....

And these are just some of the ways he has "made progress"

Facts are facts.


Stabilized the banking system? Really? Please explain QE3 then... If you call 40 Billion dollars a month handouts for the foreseeable future as stable, I'll have some of whatever your drinking.

Prevented the auto industry from going under? Really? Tell that to Toyota, Honda, and Ford.

Reversed the terrifying rise in unemployment? Really? Unemployment went from 9.3 to 8.3 where it's remained for the last 40+ months.

Sweeping reforms? Really? If you call the largest fucking middle class tax increase in history "progress" well bully for you.

You're right about one thing though, facts ARE facts... Next time try using them.




tazzygirl -> RE: Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/22/2012 2:31:56 AM)

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Stabilized the banking system? Really? Please explain QE3 then... If you call 40 Billion dollars a month handouts for the foreseeable future as stable, I'll have some of whatever your drinking.


The 2008 financial crisis led to the failure of a number of banks in the United States. Twenty-five banks failed and were taken over by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) in 2008, while 140 failed in 2009, 157 in 2010 and 92 in 2011.[1] In contrast, in the five years prior to 2008, only 11 banks had failed.

A bank failure is the closing of a bank by a federal or state banking regulatory agency. The FDIC is named as Receiver for a bank's assets when its capital levels are too low, or it cannot meet obligations the next day.[2][3] After a bank's assets are placed into Receivership, the FDIC acts in two capacities—first, it pays insurance to the depositors, up to the deposit insurance limit, for assets not sold to another bank. Second, as the receiver of the failed bank, it assumes the task of selling and collecting the assets of the failed bank and settling its debts, including claims for deposits in excess of the insured limit. The FDIC insures up to $250,000 per depositor, per insured bank, as a result of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, which raised the limit from $100,000.[4]

The receivership of Washington Mutual Bank by federal regulators on September 26, 2008, was the largest bank failure in U.S. history. Regulators simultaneously brokered the sale of most of WaMu's assets to JPMorgan Chase, which planned to write down the value of Washington Mutual's loans at least $31 billion


Dont mistake the prevention of further decline in the bank market with tyhe attempt to stimulate the economy.

Mr Volcker, who has been a pivotal force in post-crisis regulation – as well as the architect behind the “Volcker Rule” that bares his name – addressed the Institute of Chartered Accountants in Scotland conference about how to revive the economic fortunes of the western world. “Monetary policy is about as easy as it can get,” said Mr Volcker, who built a reputation for quelling inflation through the unpopular decision of raising interest rates during his tenure at the US central bank. “Another round of QE is understandable – but it will fail to fix the problem. There is so much liquidity in the market that adding more is not going to change the economy.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/9559082/QE3-will-not-fix-Americas-problems-warns-Paul-Volcker.html


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Prevented the auto industry from going under? Really? Tell that to Toyota, Honda, and Ford.


I said completely under. With the three major ones in the US carrying hats in hand to Congres, that should have been evident.

Chrysler, Ford, GM.. all still open.

But, if you wish to discuss those that are closed, its a huge list...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacturers_of_the_United_States

Toyota and Honda arent US companies.

Why do you insist any of those companies ( Toyota, Honda, and Ford) are closed? Is it because two closed US plants? That was going to happen no matter what. Or because Ford dropped some of its lines? Again, something that happens from time to time.

Without the bailout, GM and Chrysler would have went under. And with them, the US supplier base.

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Reversed the terrifying rise in unemployment? Really? Unemployment went from 9.3 to 8.3 where it's remained for the last 40+ months.


Ah how soon you forget the 10.0 we hit in October of the first year of Obama's administration. Which, even according to Romney, fell on the previous administrations shoulders.

10.0 to 8.1... which is better than the 8.3 on inauguration. And those are just the official numbers. The U6 shows a drop from 17.2 to 14.7.

I realize that some 2% (official) isnt much to you... but tell that to the 2%, or 1/5 of the work force that was out of work but is now working, that.

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Sweeping reforms? Really? If you call the largest fucking middle class tax increase in history "progress" well bully for you.


YOu still stuck on that talking head point?

[image]http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2012/07/ACA_Tax_Raw_Dollars.png[/image]

[image]http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2012/07/ACA_Tax_Constant_Dollars1.png[/image]

[image]http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2012/07/ACA_Tax_Percent_GDP.png[/image]

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/biggest-tax-increase-in-history/

The link is there for you to read.. but we both know you wont.

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You're right about one thing though, facts ARE facts... Next time try using them.


Sucks for you that I do have my facts correct.




Pspanker -> RE: Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/22/2012 3:51:09 AM)

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What of his crack(pot) economic team that didn't realize how bad it was? how the fuck do you assemble a team of "experts" that couldn't figure out how bad shit was?


This has been exhaustively investigated and the exhausting answers are... *drumroll, cymbals clash* -- (1) to preserve GOP support for Obama's jobs bill, healthcare reform bill, etc. Obama's political team pushed a smaller stimulus than his economic team had proposed, (2) but the GOP didn't vote for the jobs bill (or anything else), which made the unemployment rate worse, (3) while massive layoffs of state employees increased unemployment, even as Federal policies struggled to reduce it. One Obama, fifty Hoovers. (4) Obama never seriously pursued marking mortgages down to market, which continues to depresses consumer spending, hurting even the banks that hold the paper, (5) he postponed the debt ceiling vote to a Republican House, which has greatly increased business uncertainty, and (6) his NSA advised him not to overreact to the Chinese refusal to let the reminbi rise, and he followed that advice for too long.

In short, Obama got some big economic decisions right (e.g. some stimulus, GM), but also made very serious beginner's mistakes, mainly by overestimating the willingness of his opponents to compromise. Romney would be more credible in criticizing those mistakes today if he could just stand up to his reckless party in Congress, but apparently he can't. As it is, Obama looks as good as he does now mainly because the official GOP opposition has seemed more crackpot than conservative, and because Bill Clinton did a brilliant job of pointing that out at the DNC. Meanwhile, the nation is still in depression, and yet Obama is virtually running unopposed on economic issues. This is not good for the country. Whatever one thinks of the Democratic Party, every party needs an opposition party that can formulate and sell a credible alternative economic policy, and the GOP has not been that party for at least 12 years. What can be done about this?

PS-- Phasing in your consumption tax to reduce dependence on the income tax would be an excellent idea. Did the RNC adopt this?




Pspanker -> RE: Mitt declares himself not qualified to be President (9/22/2012 5:18:33 AM)


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...I do have my facts correct.


Indeed, she does.

Esteemed Republican friends-- The odd thing about the GOP nowadays is that, even when the same facts can be seen as cutting both ways in some arguments, the official Republican Party would rather concede the verifiable public facts to Democrats and bluster on with agitprop from policy whores instead (deepest apologies, sex workers) who will say and do whatever rich contributors desire. Of course we all know that people who have power will use it, even inappropriately. What I don't understand is-- Why do the real (unpaid) Republicans like the ones on this message board let themselves be used like this? Where does your true self-interest lie? Where is your self-respect?

Up to about 12 years ago, Republicans did not believe that they were so weak. They didn't feel so insecure that they needed "special facts" to prop up their arguments. They were confident that the common stock of public knowledge was adequate to support their views, and in fact they used it very effectively. They didn't need a "special network" like Fox to carry the news their way, they didn't snivel that their feelings were hurt that the other networks didn't always agree with them, and they certainly didn't need canned "talking points" to tell them what to think. In the old days, if a Republican like David Frum spoke his mind on something, he didn't have to fear getting fired for it by rich, thin-skinned Republicans who were not man enough to take a disagreement. Back then, Republicans did not hide from others' ideas; in fact, they often improved them. Today, they hide from their own best ideas (civil rights, government-subsidized health insurance) and rely on Democrats to put them into practice. In fact, Republicans used to believe that they could survive in our constitutional democracy, supporting the president, whatever his party, and upholding the law, whichever party had proposed it. It was the American, the patriotic thing for strong people with strong differences of opinion to do business this way. Politics was once business and not civil war. Today, Republicans fear voters and sabotage or reverse democratic processes.

We're all free people here. That's the point. And we disagree because we ordinarily enjoy the contest of contrasting opinion on a level playing field of fact. That's also why America needs two great political parties-- both American-- since no one party will ever get it all right. But in the GOP especially, the truth needs soldiers. Ordinary Republicans with down-to-earth views need to reclaim their freedom and self-respect from those false friends who have been working to undermine both for the past decade. I don't say this to cut you down; I say it because it is time that you looked in the mirror and saw giants, not midgets, and stood up taller than those thought-controlling cowards who fear reality so much and who think so little of you. Tell them to get off your lawn.






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