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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 5:50:06 AM   
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Not all democrats nor progressives supported the tax cuts. In 2001, when the first cuts were made, I loudly said they were stupid. I called the White House, my representative and my senator with complaints about cutting taxes while, at the same time, putting the cost of WAR on the national credit card.


Hmmm... what did you know and why didn't you tell anyone about it?!?!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2001

Signed into law... 7 June 2001, or, 3 months prior to 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001-present)

Started 7 Oct 2001, or, 4 months after the tax cuts were law.

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I complained even more loudly in 2003 when even more tax cuts were introduced.
I complained the loudest when Obama fell for the republican meme they couldn't raise taxes during a recession.
I even complained when Obama gave me a FICA tax reduction.
The truth is Americans pay far too little in taxes. Case in point: If Romney had taken every deduction he was legally qualified to take in 2011, he'd have paid just over a 9% tax rate.
The cuts need to be allowed to expire and now is not too soon.
And then somebody must introduce legislation that says if we go to war (even an undeclared war) taxes will raise automatically to absorb the cost of that war. Maybe, just maybe it will start people really thinking about the financial cost of doing business in the world as we have been.


I didn't complain in 2001. I didn't complain in 2003. I didn't complain when Obama didn't raise taxes (actually laughed because he showed his hypocrisy) and I did complain when Obama passed the FICA tax reduction (it simply moved the Social Security solvency limit closer).

The neat thing that I was really, really pissed about was Obamacare getting passed and a month later the news was that our deficits were unsustainable and that we either had to cut entitlement spending, raise taxes, or both. A month after Obamacare's entitlement spending went through, it became apparent that entitlement spending may have to be cut?!? Talk about the cart leading the horse there....

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 6:47:03 AM   
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This is complete nonsense. These tax cuts were meant to end years ago and simply return to rates that were in effect during the 90's when the economy boomed. When they do all end the deficit will decline quite a lot and that should make the newly minted deficit hawk cons happy, unless of course that was simply having to do with a Democratic President.


If you mean by that that 60 billion dollars a year collected via same (against an annual 1.3 trillion dollar deficit...and projected 800 billion to 1 trillion dollar deficits on both deficit reduction proposals by either party, or between 7 and 9%) is a "quite a lot", then yes, you're correct.

Regardless...it's a start.

For those that would like a very basic lesson in tax revenues and costs....this very short video will help quite a bit.

You can pause it as needed to review some more than stunning math: http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/EW5IdwltaAc?rel=0

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 6:49:52 AM   
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Some of it maybe.... but if President Obama gets reelected it most of it will stay.


Did you know that one of President Obama`s 1st bills along with a democratic house, was to pass the biggest middle class tax cut in the history of the US?

Probably not considering they never mention that on faux news.....


Yeah, they probably forgot mention that it was Obama that did it because it was under intense pressure from both the Republicans, and Obama's realization that raising taxes during one of the worst economic calamities since 1932 was pretty unwise legislation, as well as entirely contrary to his campaign promises to raise taxes on those making above 250K.

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 6:50:55 AM   
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This is complete nonsense. These tax cuts were meant to end years ago and simply return to rates that were in effect during the 90's when the economy boomed. When they do all end the deficit will decline quite a lot and that should make the newly minted deficit hawk cons happy, unless of course that was simply having to do with a Democratic President.



You really believe that huh???



Uh huh....he does.

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 7:03:29 AM   
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This is complete nonsense. These tax cuts were meant to end years ago and simply return to rates that were in effect during the 90's when the economy boomed. When they do all end the deficit will decline quite a lot and that should make the newly minted deficit hawk cons happy, unless of course that was simply having to do with a Democratic President.



You really believe that huh???

Fact: the rates will return to thoe from the late 90's.
Fact: the economy grew at historic rates during the 90's.
Fact: the deficit is primarily a result of these tax cuts.
Fact: cons didn't complain about the deficit and debt when these tax cuts were passed and for the remainder of W's term.
Fact: the President is a member of the Democratic Party

What is there to need to believe in?


Facts, for one.

Fact: The rates will return to those of the early 90's.

Fact: The economy grew at historic rates during the 90's because of unprecedented access to borrowed money, tax revenues were increasing at stunning rates by virtue (and therefore, smaller deficits....Clinton ran a deficit, contrary to popular opinion, during each and every year of his Presidency), the economy grew at these historic rates not only because of borrowed money but as well, productivity, which was rising faster than any recorded period in the 20th century (ergo, rising tax revenues), largely due to increased computerization that began in the early 80's but didn't really pick up speed until roughly the second year of Clinton's first administration (coinciding almost identically with the same time frame that most small businesses discovered they could do vastly more things with their 386 computer than play asteroids).

Fact: The deficit is primarily a result of overspending, particularly on entitlements that are growing at a rate in excess of twice that of revenues and nearly 4 times the rate of inflation, but I'll presume you meant to refer to the recent deficit "explosion" which was primarily the result of an economy that has stripped the federal govt. of revenues, at exactly the same time that unemployment and related costs have taken off as if on rocket fuel and....two unfunded wars.

Fact: Neither did the Democrats. They too voted for tax cuts. Had they not, it wouldn't have passed.

Fact: Yes, very good. The President is a member of the Democratic party. (Good call).

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 7:17:07 AM   
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Not all democrats nor progressives supported the tax cuts. In 2001, when the first cuts were made, I loudly said they were stupid. I called the White House, my representative and my senator with complaints about cutting taxes while, at the same time, putting the cost of WAR on the national credit card.

I complained even more loudly in 2003 when even more tax cuts were introduced.

I complained the loudest when Obama fell for the republican meme they couldn't raise taxes during a recession.

I even complained when Obama gave me a FICA tax reduction.

The truth is Americans pay far too little in taxes. Case in point: If Romney had taken every deduction he was legally qualified to take in 2011, he'd have paid just over a 9% tax rate.

The cuts need to be allowed to expire and now is not too soon.

And then somebody must introduce legislation that says if we go to war (even an undeclared war) taxes will raise automatically to absorb the cost of that war. Maybe, just maybe it will start people really thinking about the financial cost of doing business in the world as we have been.



First logical thing anyone here has said, stated well, and I did the same things when each of these events occurred (and so, by the way did Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and multiples of some of the wealthiest folks on Earth).

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 7:43:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

This is complete nonsense. These tax cuts were meant to end years ago and simply return to rates that were in effect during the 90's when the economy boomed. When they do all end the deficit will decline quite a lot and that should make the newly minted deficit hawk cons happy, unless of course that was simply having to do with a Democratic President.



You really believe that huh???

Fact: the rates will return to thoe from the late 90's.
Fact: the economy grew at historic rates during the 90's.
Fact: the deficit is primarily a result of these tax cuts.
Fact: cons didn't complain about the deficit and debt when these tax cuts were passed and for the remainder of W's term.
Fact: the President is a member of the Democratic Party

What is there to need to believe in?


Facts, for one.

Fact: The rates will return to those of the early 90's.

Same as those of the late 90's.

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Fact: The economy grew at historic rates during the 90's because of unprecedented access to borrowed money, tax revenues were increasing at stunning rates by virtue (and therefore, smaller deficits....Clinton ran a deficit, contrary to popular opinion, during each and every year of his Presidency), the economy grew at these historic rates not only because of borrowed money but as well, productivity, which was rising faster than any recorded period in the 20th century (ergo, rising tax revenues), largely due to increased computerization that began in the early 80's but didn't really pick up speed until roughly the second year of Clinton's first administration (coinciding almost identically with the same time frame that most small businesses discovered they could do vastly more things with their 386 computer than play asteroids).

So? Did the economy grow at historic rates in the 90's or not?

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Fact: The deficit is primarily a result of overspending, particularly on entitlements that are growing at a rate in excess of twice that of revenues and nearly 4 times the rate of inflation, but I'll presume you meant to refer to the recent deficit "explosion" which was primarily the result of an economy that has stripped the federal govt. of revenues, at exactly the same time that unemployment and related costs have taken off as if on rocket fuel and....two unfunded wars.

Th two things creating the structural deficit is the Bush tax cuts and and the 2 wars. Both wars are ending so the only thing left is the tax rates.

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Fact: Neither did the Democrats. They too voted for tax cuts. Had they not, it wouldn't have passed.

So? Did the cons ever complain till after 2008?
Seems like after a bunch of non sequiturs the facts all remain.

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 8:03:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

This is complete nonsense. These tax cuts were meant to end years ago and simply return to rates that were in effect during the 90's when the economy boomed. When they do all end the deficit will decline quite a lot and that should make the newly minted deficit hawk cons happy, unless of course that was simply having to do with a Democratic President.



You really believe that huh???

Fact: the rates will return to thoe from the late 90's.
Fact: the economy grew at historic rates during the 90's.
Fact: the deficit is primarily a result of these tax cuts.
Fact: cons didn't complain about the deficit and debt when these tax cuts were passed and for the remainder of W's term.
Fact: the President is a member of the Democratic Party

What is there to need to believe in?


Facts, for one.

Fact: The rates will return to those of the early 90's.

Same as those of the late 90's.

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Fact: The economy grew at historic rates during the 90's because of unprecedented access to borrowed money, tax revenues were increasing at stunning rates by virtue (and therefore, smaller deficits....Clinton ran a deficit, contrary to popular opinion, during each and every year of his Presidency), the economy grew at these historic rates not only because of borrowed money but as well, productivity, which was rising faster than any recorded period in the 20th century (ergo, rising tax revenues), largely due to increased computerization that began in the early 80's but didn't really pick up speed until roughly the second year of Clinton's first administration (coinciding almost identically with the same time frame that most small businesses discovered they could do vastly more things with their 386 computer than play asteroids).

So? Did the economy grow at historic rates in the 90's or not?

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Fact: The deficit is primarily a result of overspending, particularly on entitlements that are growing at a rate in excess of twice that of revenues and nearly 4 times the rate of inflation, but I'll presume you meant to refer to the recent deficit "explosion" which was primarily the result of an economy that has stripped the federal govt. of revenues, at exactly the same time that unemployment and related costs have taken off as if on rocket fuel and....two unfunded wars.

Th two things creating the structural deficit is the Bush tax cuts and and the 2 wars. Both wars are ending so the only thing left is the tax rates.

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Fact: Neither did the Democrats. They too voted for tax cuts. Had they not, it wouldn't have passed.

So? Did the cons ever complain till after 2008?
Seems like after a bunch of non sequiturs the facts all remain.


This is clearly too complicated for you.

I'll stop advising you.

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 1:26:49 PM   
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This is clearly too complicated for you.

I'll stop advising you.

So you had nothing? Why waste so much bandwidth then?

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 1:33:38 PM   
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Balance budget.

Zero sum game.

Tax for rich go down, tax for everyone else go up.

Any questions?

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 3:00:40 PM   
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Fact: The economy grew at historic rates during the 90's because of unprecedented access to borrowed money, tax revenues were increasing at stunning rates by virtue (and therefore, smaller deficits....Clinton ran a deficit, contrary to popular opinion, during each and every year of his Presidency), the economy grew at these historic rates not only because of borrowed money but as well, productivity, which was rising faster than any recorded period in the 20th century (ergo, rising tax revenues), largely due to increased computerization that began in the early 80's but didn't really pick up speed until roughly the second year of Clinton's first administration (coinciding almost identically with the same time frame that most small businesses discovered they could do vastly more things with their 386 computer than play asteroids).


1993 was a stunning year for the way people could use their 386 outside of asteroids.


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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 3:58:21 PM   
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Th two things creating the structural deficit is the Bush tax cuts and and the 2 wars. Both wars are ending so the only thing left is the tax rates.


What are the costs of the wars, that we are actually paying for right now? What amount of revenue has been lost due to the tax cuts?

What percentage are those compared to our projected $1.1T deficit for 2012?


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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 4:13:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Th two things creating the structural deficit is the Bush tax cuts and and the 2 wars. Both wars are ending so the only thing left is the tax rates.


What are the costs of the wars, that we are actually paying for right now? What amount of revenue has been lost due to the tax cuts?

What percentage are those compared to our projected $1.1T deficit for 2012?


The Bush tax cuts should cost about $105 billion in lost revenue in 2012.
The wars will cost $117.8 billion in 2012 (that's down almost 50 billion from 2011).
Then you have to add in the service on the debt added due to the 2 wars and the tax cuts and war costs not included in the DoD budget, veterans care and associated costs (call it another 100 billion).

So roughly 1/3 of the deficit. Add in the bloat in the intelligence agencies, DHS and DoD and you've got most of the rest (estimated at 500 billion per year).

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 5:14:04 PM   
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This is clearly too complicated for you.

I'll stop advising you.

So you had nothing? Why waste so much bandwidth then?


I assumed too much.

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 9:41:55 PM   
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This is complete nonsense. These tax cuts were meant to end years ago and simply return to rates that were in effect during the 90's when the economy boomed. When they do all end the deficit will decline quite a lot and that should make the newly minted deficit hawk cons happy, unless of course that was simply having to do with a Democratic President.



You really believe that huh???

That the Bush tax cuts were "temporary" yeah,I for one believed that they were nominally "supposed" to be.
But I'm an optimist,a cynic might have said "BULLSHIT" form the get.

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 10:08:12 PM   
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I'm sure they think it could all be made up it we just taxed Warren Buffett and the 1% at a 97.3 rate

Interesting muse. How many years would it take for that rate to make up for the extremely favorable capital gains/carried interest rates they've enjoy for what...over 30 years ?

Quite a few years.

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/23/2012 10:53:52 PM   
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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/24/2012 12:29:11 AM   
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The economy could be in principle radically restructured so it would create jobs, income, need for social assistance would decrease, and the tax revenue would go up. Also, completely different tax structure can be created. For example taxing mostly consumption side establishing tariffs etc....
The above is not going to happen though. It has never been better financially for the upper classes who rule the political process and run in essence centrally controlled economy. Super-rich have created multiple ways they can escape high taxes. Some tax increases are acceptable for them as multi-million net incomes will continue.
Also, the Congress is stupid and dysfunctional.
So, tax increase is the only option. With about 100 million Americans near or below poverty and permanent high unemployment significant social assistance cuts would lead to riots, worldwide loss of confidence America can handle its affairs, and fast downward spiral of the whole economy. Tax increases would heighten confidence, strengthen the dollar, and prolong dollar status as the World reserve currency.

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/24/2012 3:44:43 AM   
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Not all democrats nor progressives supported the tax cuts. In 2001, when the first cuts were made, I loudly said they were stupid.


I am taking a guess you were not running for a federal office.

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

I complained even more loudly in 2003 when even more tax cuts were introduced.


I am taking a guess you were not running for a federal office then either.

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

I complained the loudest when Obama fell for the republican meme they couldn't raise taxes during a recession.

I even complained when Obama gave me a FICA tax reduction.


And I am guessing again you were not running for a federal office the as well.


Democrats running for Congressional seats that are hotly contested seem to like cutting taxes...go figure


I went and I figured.....this is what I came up with:
When running for political office one tends to act a little like a whore on the corner.
When the whore across the street is throwing in free blow jobs....well honey you better pucker up
And yes,this means our(Dems) whores are no better than your (repubs) whores....in that they need you to lay down with them to get anywhere

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RE: Taxmageddon 100 Days Away, Look Out Middle Class!!! - 9/24/2012 4:44:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Th two things creating the structural deficit is the Bush tax cuts and and the 2 wars. Both wars are ending so the only thing left is the tax rates.

What are the costs of the wars, that we are actually paying for right now? What amount of revenue has been lost due to the tax cuts?
What percentage are those compared to our projected $1.1T deficit for 2012?

The Bush tax cuts should cost about $105 billion in lost revenue in 2012.
The wars will cost $117.8 billion in 2012 (that's down almost 50 billion from 2011).
Then you have to add in the service on the debt added due to the 2 wars and the tax cuts and war costs not included in the DoD budget, veterans care and associated costs (call it another 100 billion).
So roughly 1/3 of the deficit.


$323B. Not exactly making the deficit/debt math work out yet...

I'm going to ask you why the tax cuts are only supposed to cost $105B. Where do you get that number?

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Add in the bloat in the intelligence agencies, DHS and DoD and you've got most of the rest (estimated at 500 billion per year).


The bloated DHS and DoD?!? You are going to blame that on Bush? At what point does your side start to take responsibility? 3.5 years after Bush was out of office, and you're still blaming him for the DHS and DoD?!? Add into it the 2 years that ya'all ran the Legislative Branch under Bush, leading into the Obama Presidency, and you can't yet take any "credit" for the bloat? Are you fucking serious?

I don't care how much the Republicans would have pissed, moaned and gnashed their teeth. If your side wants to cut the DHS and DoD funding, you had the chance (and I would have agreed with it the D's, btw). Your side wailed, gnashed your teeth and ran on the excesses, but have yet to cut them. Heaven forbid if a R shows the slightest hypocrisy. It's okay if a D did it though because they just didn't have all the information. Funny how when you run against an opponent's actions, win, and then continue those actions, how it's not highlighted as showing your opponent was right all along.

I am pissed that Obama and Co. have not obliterated the Patriot Act (almost as pissed as I was in '08 when I finally opened my eyes and saw what Bush and Co. passed). You haven't addressed $300B or so yet. Is that admission that that part of the deficit is, in fact, all owned by the Democrats?

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