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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 12:50:41 AM   
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Since Romney's one of these guys with Grand Cayman and Swiss bank accounts where he hides his money from the IRS, these returns are worthless.

If Romney was HONEST, he'd have no problem with the RNC bringing in INDEPENDENT AUDITORS to go over the books.

Of course, since Romney isn't honest, that's not going to happen.

Figures lie, and liars figure.

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 7:27:16 AM   
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Hmm, seems Mitt Romney released his tax returns ... and generously paid 13% of his multi-million dollar income in taxes.

Of course .. He did NOT take all his deductions! Because he wanted to keep his tax rate where he said it would be!

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Of course, i pay 20% in taxes on my seemingly poverty level income.

In the 1980's ... Mitt Romney would have paid 70% of his income in taxes, no questions asked.

What is wrong with politics today, when people struggling to make a living, pay MORE (percentage wise) than multi-millionaires?

And why do we get bamboozled by politicians claiming reducing taxes fixes the economy?

Because clearly, we are all WORSE OFF, then the 1980's!


I don't know where to start with this. There is so much parroted leftist propaganda in this it would lift a sunken ship off the bottom of the deepest sea with all this hot air.

The tax code is designed to reward anyone who builds a business (and therefore employs people) and those who give to charity and those who invest in certain businesses the government deems important to the nation. The tax code also helps out when investors lose money in a failed business and Romney does not just make money on job building businesses, he also loses lots of money. Therefore, Romney pays less taxes because he invested more in America and risked more of his money in businesses needed by this country and more of his money, percentagewise, in charities than you did.

If he paid the same rate in taxes you and I did he would not be investing and and providing jobs and we would be the loser on that deal.

Jeeze.

Romney hasn't invested in anything in over a decade. He's officially been unemployed since before he ran for Governor of MA.



You're probably right....he probably keeps all his money in a bucket in the back yard. Yeah, that's probably what he does with his money.

His money is supposed to be in a blind trust actually.

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 7:33:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Arturas


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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

Hmm, seems Mitt Romney released his tax returns ... and generously paid 13% of his multi-million dollar income in taxes.

Of course .. He did NOT take all his deductions! Because he wanted to keep his tax rate where he said it would be!

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Of course, i pay 20% in taxes on my seemingly poverty level income.

In the 1980's ... Mitt Romney would have paid 70% of his income in taxes, no questions asked.

What is wrong with politics today, when people struggling to make a living, pay MORE (percentage wise) than multi-millionaires?

And why do we get bamboozled by politicians claiming reducing taxes fixes the economy?

Because clearly, we are all WORSE OFF, then the 1980's!


I don't know where to start with this. There is so much parroted leftist propaganda in this it would lift a sunken ship off the bottom of the deepest sea with all this hot air.

The tax code is designed to reward anyone who builds a business (and therefore employs people) and those who give to charity and those who invest in certain businesses the government deems important to the nation. The tax code also helps out when investors lose money in a failed business and Romney does not just make money on job building businesses, he also loses lots of money. Therefore, Romney pays less taxes because he invested more in America and risked more of his money in businesses needed by this country and more of his money, percentagewise, in charities than you did.

If he paid the same rate in taxes you and I did he would not be investing and and providing jobs and we would be the loser on that deal.

Jeeze.

Romney hasn't invested in anything in over a decade. He's officially been unemployed since before he ran for Governor of MA.



You're probably right....he probably keeps all his money in a bucket in the back yard. Yeah, that's probably what he does with his money.

His money is supposed to be in a blind trust actually.


His money is supposed to be in a blind trust when he is an elected official.

Some of his money currently is.

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 8:50:02 AM   
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Without full disclosure and transparency, perhaps through an independent audit, how are we to believe any of Romney's claims?

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 12:23:08 PM   
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If Romney's tax basis was 13%, the $4,000,000.00 he gave to his church (of which he deducted 1/2 of), saved him $260,000.00.

If he does amend his tax returns next year (he has 3 years to do so on charitable gifts), it will have saved him $520,000.00.

Hell of investment yeah?....spending $4,000,000.00 to have the government lower your taxes by $520,000.00.

Yeah....sure....he's evil.

Uh huh.


Careful. Math makes the Liberal / Progressive head explode.


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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 12:51:39 PM   
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Without full disclosure and transparency, perhaps through an independent audit, how are we to believe any of Romney's claims?


I haven't a clue.

As to politicians of any group, Libertarian, Democrat, Republican, Independant, I've always gone with the more than useful adage "if their lips are moving, they're probably lying".

As to whether or not that fits Romney, only time will tell.

We already know it's a fact with the guy he's running against.

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 12:53:01 PM   
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If Romney's tax basis was 13%, the $4,000,000.00 he gave to his church (of which he deducted 1/2 of), saved him $260,000.00.

If he does amend his tax returns next year (he has 3 years to do so on charitable gifts), it will have saved him $520,000.00.

Hell of investment yeah?....spending $4,000,000.00 to have the government lower your taxes by $520,000.00.

Yeah....sure....he's evil.

Uh huh.


Careful. Math makes the Liberal / Progressive head explode.



(I keep forgetting the power of my own massive brain).

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 1:45:16 PM   
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His money is supposed to be in a blind trust actually.


His money is supposed to be in a blind trust when he is an elected official.

Some of his money currently is.

His money is supposed to be in a blind trust now. He claimed he put his money into a blind trust before being elected Governor and he has never changed that.

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 1:50:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
His money is supposed to be in a blind trust actually.


His money is supposed to be in a blind trust when he is an elected official.

Some of his money currently is.

His money is supposed to be in a blind trust now. He claimed he put his money into a blind trust before being elected Governor and he has never changed that.



http://youtu.be/Q9DVKWhPibw

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 1:54:41 PM   
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The simple answer is He's smarter than you... You work for a living, he lives off of his previous labor... Which was taxed when he first made the money, and then again when he collected his capital gain.

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 1:57:35 PM   
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Romney paid 13% because He knows the government loopholes of business owners. i have owned MANY businesses and bought and sold businesses and love the loopholes that a good CPA has to help business owners get back money at the end of the year. All Americans need to open a small business and learn how to make money at their passions anyway. It's all about finding a good CPA.

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 2:13:25 PM   
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All Americans need to open a small business and learn how to make money at their passions anyway. It's all about finding a good CPA.


I thought it was to find some way onto the government dole. The old America is gone. It's the new Progressive way now.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- More than one in seven Americans are on food stamps, but the federal government wants even more people to sign up for the safety net program.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture has been running radio ads for the past four months encouraging those eligible to enroll. The campaign is targeted at the elderly, working poor, the unemployed and Hispanics.




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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 4:52:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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His money is supposed to be in a blind trust actually.


His money is supposed to be in a blind trust when he is an elected official.

Some of his money currently is.

His money is supposed to be in a blind trust now. He claimed he put his money into a blind trust before being elected Governor and he has never changed that.



Right. I'm sure you're correct (Dom) Ken. He has not been involved in his own personal investments since he left office in 2007. Absolutely. You betcha.

(Some things are clearly above your pay grade (Dom) Ken, that's becoming more evident by the day, however, I am here to help....read on).

After you're done reading below, I'll explain carefully (but in simplified form, for space considerations) to you how a Trust (any Trust) works (the highlighted sections are going to be key components of this lesson (Dom) Ken....so please grab a pen and paper and take notes).

(Sorry....disregard that last point....grab a pencil....with a fresh eraser).

**************

http://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/local/article_ec76821a-0490-11e2-a42e-001a4bcf887a.html

"Most of their income is from investments held in a blind trust, and campaign aides have stressed that he makes no decisions on how his money is invested. Capital gains and dividend interest is now generally taxed at 15 percent whereas the top marginal rate for income from wages is 35 percent.

The Romneys reported $6.8 million in capital gains, such as from the sale of stocks and other securities, and $6.37 million from dividends and taxable interest
".

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/shdaily_sing.asp?id=512481&type=World&page=0

"Romney's wealth has been estimated as high as US$250 million, and much of it is held in a blind trust. Campaign aides have stressed that Romney makes no decisions on how his money is invested."

Okay...ready? Here we go:

1) A Trust (any Trust) is a legal vehicle to hold assets. It can hold any kind of assets; money, real estate, banana's, cars, newspaper editorials, even dildos and frictionless hand cream.

2) It is (generally) established for a predetermined time and with very specific codicils, a codicil being (another) device that effectively defines (revokes or enforces) certain provisions already established, many of those being predicated by law.

3) A Trust is (generally) established for the benefit of another (such as children). It can also be defined as benefiting the originator of said Trust.

Because a Trust is a legal entity, it has its own tax number (much like you, (Dom) Ken, have an SSI #). To co-opt a phrase....Trust's are people too.

In short, the Trust must distribute all income (unless it was predefined not to do so and if that were the case, then any "distributions" {which, from a Trust can only be 2 things: Dividends or interest earned....everything else is "principle" and would generally, but not always by default, dissolve the Trust} not distributed would then become "assets of the Trust" and to remove them at a later date would typically cause either double taxation because all events must occur with a defined and given tax year or dissolution).

Because the Trust is a legal entity, if there were capital gains within the trust, and since that is not "income" (rather, "asset appreciation" which when transferred to the Romney's would be "unearned income" and which would have been taxed at an entirely different level under a Trust), then for "The Romneys (to have) reported $6.8 million in capital gains, such as from the sale of stocks and other securities" would therefore indicate (as the two articles above surmise) that indeed, not only are all of the Romney''s assets not in a blind trust......solely based on the taxable events in the known two tax documents they have disclosed (and not just on some reporters supposition as shown above), it is in fact impossible for "all of their assets to be in a blind Trust".

Thus endeth the lesson (Dom) Ken.

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 5:02:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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His money is supposed to be in a blind trust actually.


His money is supposed to be in a blind trust when he is an elected official.

Some of his money currently is.

His money is supposed to be in a blind trust now. He claimed he put his money into a blind trust before being elected Governor and he has never changed that.


(Dom) Ken, contrary to your unending desire to wish it were so, there is no (current) legal requirement (nor any pending in the halls of Congress) that his money, any or all, must ("supposed to") be in a blind Trust....any money he has chosen to put and or leave into said Trust is by his design....not by law.

If and when he becomes President, there are an entirely different set of "rules" (none of which are mandated, but they are almost always followed), but for today, he can light it all on fire, give it away to the church or invest every dime of it tomorrow morning by his own hand, and his own authority, in GM, Coca Cola or the next big thing he thinks is a valid investment.

With no permission required from anyone else on Earth.

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 5:15:55 PM   
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http://youtu.be/Q9DVKWhPibw

Sooo ... is Obama's money in a blind trust, as well?

Firm

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 5:17:57 PM   
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Hmm, seems Mitt Romney released his tax returns ... and generously paid 13% of his multi-million dollar income in taxes.

Of course .. He did NOT take all his deductions! Because he wanted to keep his tax rate where he said it would be!

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Of course, i pay 20% in taxes on my seemingly poverty level income.

In the 1980's ... Mitt Romney would have paid 70% of his income in taxes, no questions asked.

What is wrong with politics today, when people struggling to make a living, pay MORE (percentage wise) than multi-millionaires?

And why do we get bamboozled by politicians claiming reducing taxes fixes the economy?

Because clearly, we are all WORSE OFF, then the 1980's!


I don't know where to start with this. There is so much parroted leftist propaganda in this it would lift a sunken ship off the bottom of the deepest sea with all this hot air.

The tax code is designed to reward anyone who builds a business (and therefore employs people) and those who give to charity and those who invest in certain businesses the government deems important to the nation. The tax code also helps out when investors lose money in a failed business and Romney does not just make money on job building businesses, he also loses lots of money. Therefore, Romney pays less taxes because he invested more in America and risked more of his money in businesses needed by this country and more of his money, percentagewise, in charities than you did.

If he paid the same rate in taxes you and I did he would not be investing and and providing jobs and we would be the loser on that deal.

Jeeze.

Romney hasn't invested in anything in over a decade. He's officially been unemployed since before he ran for Governor of MA.


Unemployed people don't buy stocks and bonds?

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 5:19:55 PM   
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http://youtu.be/Q9DVKWhPibw

Sooo ... is Obama's money in a blind trust, as well?

Firm



Not according to Vanity Fair.

"As a freshman senator, Barack Obama—whose wealth comes almost entirely from his book royalties—set up a blind trust but later that same year sold all of his stocks and closed the trust because he decided that even such an arrangement could not protect him from the appearance of a conflict. Most of his wealth is now invested in U.S. Treasury bonds and diversified funds—about the most transparent option available. What’s good for the country is good for Obama, and vice versa, to coin a phrase."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/purdum/2012/07/mitt-romney-age-old-ruse-blind-trust

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 5:21:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Baroana


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ORIGINAL: Baroana


http://youtu.be/Q9DVKWhPibw

Sooo ... is Obama's money in a blind trust, as well?

Firm



Not according to Vanity Fair.

"As a freshman senator, Barack Obama—whose wealth comes almost entirely from his book royalties—set up a blind trust but later that same year sold all of his stocks and closed the trust because he decided that even such an arrangement could not protect him from the appearance of a conflict. Most of his wealth is now invested in U.S. Treasury bonds and diversified funds—about the most transparent option available. What’s good for the country is good for Obama, and vice versa, to coin a phrase."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/purdum/2012/07/mitt-romney-age-old-ruse-blind-trust

So, he can personally benefit from his political decisions? Ahh, got it.

Firm

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 5:25:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


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ORIGINAL: Baroana


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


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ORIGINAL: Baroana


http://youtu.be/Q9DVKWhPibw

Sooo ... is Obama's money in a blind trust, as well?

Firm



Not according to Vanity Fair.

"As a freshman senator, Barack Obama—whose wealth comes almost entirely from his book royalties—set up a blind trust but later that same year sold all of his stocks and closed the trust because he decided that even such an arrangement could not protect him from the appearance of a conflict. Most of his wealth is now invested in U.S. Treasury bonds and diversified funds—about the most transparent option available. What’s good for the country is good for Obama, and vice versa, to coin a phrase."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/purdum/2012/07/mitt-romney-age-old-ruse-blind-trust

So, he can personally benefit from his political decisions? Ahh, got it.

Firm



LOL! Not even investing his money in his own country is good enough for you? That's priceless.

And, yeah, he wishes he had that much influence over the economy. I thought you people believed he couldn't get anything done.

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RE: Romney Paid 13% ? How come I Pay 20% ? - 9/23/2012 5:27:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Baroana


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


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ORIGINAL: Baroana


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


quote:

ORIGINAL: Baroana


http://youtu.be/Q9DVKWhPibw

Sooo ... is Obama's money in a blind trust, as well?

Firm



Not according to Vanity Fair.

"As a freshman senator, Barack Obama—whose wealth comes almost entirely from his book royalties—set up a blind trust but later that same year sold all of his stocks and closed the trust because he decided that even such an arrangement could not protect him from the appearance of a conflict. Most of his wealth is now invested in U.S. Treasury bonds and diversified funds—about the most transparent option available. What’s good for the country is good for Obama, and vice versa, to coin a phrase."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/purdum/2012/07/mitt-romney-age-old-ruse-blind-trust

So, he can personally benefit from his political decisions? Ahh, got it.

Firm



LOL! Not even investing his money in his own country is good enough for you? That's priceless.

And, yeah, he wishes he had that much influence over the economy. I thought you people believed he couldn't get anything done.



Oh....I don't believe that. I believe he could.

He just hasn't.

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