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litleone8620 -> RE: Dominant Training (6/14/2006 1:39:40 AM)

I'm confused about your comment '.... and found out how much i like it more than she does' Do you mean you would rather be spanked than the one doing the spanking?




Focus50 -> RE: Dominant Training (6/14/2006 3:27:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: litleone8620

So, You don't think learning new ways to use specialized talents like using certain knots in bondage, or using a whip, is called training?

No I don't because you're describing the attaining of specific skills that don't necessarily require the presence of a second party.  Learning to tie knots etc is no more a form of training than learning to swim, drive a car or bait a hook, ie is skill orientated rather than anything to do with behaviour modification of another person. 
 
Focus.




Focus50 -> RE: Dominant Training (6/14/2006 4:37:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: akisha

I look at it this way.

1. Would you let a Dom tie you up and use a whip on you if they have never been shown how?
2. Would you let a Dom slide a knife across your body of they have never learned how to do it safely?
same for fire play, breath play, etc etc etc etc

I could go on and on and on. Somethings you don't need training for. Other things you sure as hell do. Some actions can cause some serious injury even death. To be perfectly honest I have no desire to be someones guinea pig while they try to figure things out on their own. This is exactly why there are seminars, weekend getaways, & demonstrations given on how to do things safely.

There are obviously subs who do because I've been around the lifestyle too many years to recall and I've never had "formal training" in any skill yet have not managed to end any scene in an emergency ward or even a check up at the doctors next day....  Sure, some minor accidents have happened but there are substitutes to all these seminars or demos etc. 
 
When I read posts like this, it leaves an impression that D/s is solely about physical skills and competence and that the sub is little more than an inanimate target to experiment on, just like a lab rat or "guinea pig".... 
 
My substitute for seminars and generally acquiring skills etc was simply to be mindful of just exactly who my "guinea pig" was at the time.  I don't play with just any willing "fem/sub meat"; I play with MY little girl and I'd never truly risk her well-being by simply wailing in with something new and hope it turns out ok.  Is such a scenario really more dangerous than some tool who attained a "dom school diploma" and heads for the nearest play party hoping to try out his "skills" on some sub he's never even met before?  Where his main concern or safety circuit-breaker is centred on building and maintaining his own selfish reputation within a broader BDSM community of mostly strangers to him? 
 
Not all of us define healthy domination and submission as a matter of physical skills and experience with them.  To me, play isn't the focus; it's merely a natural extension of a greater love-based M/s relationship and I'm proud that I've never needed to dial 000 (Our 911 equiv).  BDSM is the base dynamic of my personal relationships; I'm not in it to strut and impress others with my "skills" anymore than I'd actually do something as grotesque (to me) as ask to play with someone else's sub for play sake.
 
I'm all for learning techniques or asking for help when needed etc.  But when my own BDSM is solely about my intimate/personal relationships, I'm even more conscious of not damaging my beloved property; and she trusts me not to even when the odd accident inevitably happens in such a physically demanding lifestyle. 
 
Focus.




kittenTamer73 -> RE: Dominant Training (6/14/2006 8:11:03 AM)

no I enjoy spanking her and never knew it. I never thought about it till I done it the first time[:D] there for awhile she asked and never done it now I look back and feel so silly[:o].now or relationship is so important to me and dont know where to turn




akisha -> RE: Dominant Training (6/14/2006 12:37:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

There are obviously subs who do because I've been around the lifestyle too many years to recall and I've never had "formal training" in any skill yet have not managed to end any scene in an emergency ward or even a check up at the doctors next day....  Sure, some minor accidents have happened but there are substitutes to all these seminars or demos etc. 
 
When I read posts like this, it leaves an impression that D/s is solely about physical skills and competence and that the sub is little more than an inanimate target to experiment on, just like a lab rat or "guinea pig".... 
 
My substitute for seminars and generally acquiring skills etc was simply to be mindful of just exactly who my "guinea pig" was at the time.  I don't play with just any willing "fem/sub meat"; I play with MY little girl and I'd never truly risk her well-being by simply wailing in with something new and hope it turns out ok.  Is such a scenario really more dangerous than some tool who attained a "dom school diploma" and heads for the nearest play party hoping to try out his "skills" on some sub he's never even met before?  Where his main concern or safety circuit-breaker is centred on building and maintaining his own selfish reputation within a broader BDSM community of mostly strangers to him? 
 
Not all of us define healthy domination and submission as a matter of physical skills and experience with them.  To me, play isn't the focus; it's merely a natural extension of a greater love-based M/s relationship and I'm proud that I've never needed to dial 000 (Our 911 equiv).  BDSM is the base dynamic of my personal relationships; I'm not in it to strut and impress others with my "skills" anymore than I'd actually do something as grotesque (to me) as ask to play with someone else's sub for play sake.
 
I'm all for learning techniques or asking for help when needed etc.  But when my own BDSM is solely about my intimate/personal relationships, I'm even more conscious of not damaging my beloved property; and she trusts me not to even when the odd accident inevitably happens in such a physically demanding lifestyle. 
 
Focus.


I'm not saying everyone should go sign up for the nearest seminar. I'm trying to get across that it would be foolish to agree to let a totally unknowledgeable Dominant grab a bull whip he's never weilded against anything and let him start taking crack shots at you. I'm saying there are things like seminars etc for that as an option of learning.

Yes I know most of us have learned by doing something then slowly building up to a more adventurous or more dangerous action.

No it's not all about the physical skill but skill does play a big part in it. What happens when you get the young very new Dominant that sees a scene done by a very well versed Dominant that makes say edge play look easy and sexy. So the young One goes home and says "well hell ya I can do that it looked easy" and ends up removing a part of his submissive. 

Alot of people are very conciensious of what they are doing or trying but not everyone is. The problem lies in the couples that are starting out together with no knowledge and want to try everything at once because they are experiencing the "rush" of everything being new and exciting.

Don't get me wrong i'm not slighting those that gradually learned on their own at all. I'm saying if i was with a new partner i'd want to be sure he had some previous knowledge/experience on how to do certain things safely. I have no problem with learning with someone either or being the practice body as long as it was done with fore thought and research and perhaps talking to one or more ppl that have done it successfully for a while. There is no shame in asking for help in my view.

I'm saying i'm not one that is going to be tied to a cross blindfolded and gagged and have Him say .. "what the hell lets try something new" Personally that would scare the hell out of me.

As for your last paragraph. I completely agree. Learning with the one that you love and is yours is the best scenario. Unfortunately not everyone has that at and they are playing with People they are just meeting or have kinda known for a little while.

I for one am just entering in to the (semi) local scene near me. I am totally reliant on the knowledge of those that I know to tell me who is and is not safe. I am extremely lucky to have friends that are willing to take me around and introduce me. But how many people have to enter alone with out anyone to guide them or help them?




kittenTamer73 -> RE: Dominant Training (6/14/2006 1:40:07 PM)

<edited> (oops! dang! I didn't realize I was logged in as "him"... dangit! oh well.. this post is by curiouslilkitten)

I really appreciate the responses and suggestions of resources. It's ironic, I showed him this site before I posted my comment. Then today, I bring him back to show him my comments and questions and the replies from everyone, only to have him tell me he posted to this thread also.

He posted, after reading the first post of this thread, never reading down far enough to see my comments. *laffs* That is soooo like him, jumping in head first.

Anywho, he signed up as kittentamer73, you may have read his posts also. I think he is realizing that the key is to take it slow and to explore slowly, with me. Like he said, I am open to anything and I love him so much. He just has to have faith that I would stop him before he did anything to hurt me or our relationship.

Again, thanx so much. W/we will definitely keep checking back with this forum.

~kitten




Arpig -> RE: Dominant Training (6/14/2006 2:11:16 PM)

I find the whole concept of "training" to be abhorant. I do not want a submissive who has been trained to suit my needs, I want a submissive who has chosen to learn and meet my needs.

If you are trained by another then I can 100% guarantee you i will disappoint you, because i expect a submissive to be an independant person first and foremost...I like to talk between fucks, and life being what it is, I have far more time available between fucks than during.

Outside of the technical details (such as the proper use of a single-tail, as mentioned by the other Bob), none of us needs to be trained, Hell, I always thought the point of this lifestyle was to be who you are, and haven't you been training for that all your life (granted, that's a lot longer for some of us than for others, but I have been told reliably that I will get my Arpig Diploma sometime within the next 30 years......)




FemaleMaster -> One Master's experience (6/23/2006 5:34:42 PM)

I will share a little about my own path.  I have been attracted to leather (that's my preferred phrase for "BDSM") for over ten years.  I have had the opportunity to engage other women in aspects of D/s and SM in those years, but for the most part, I was alone in my interests.  I felt frustrated with the limitations of my encounters.  There was only so much I could learn about myself as a burgeoning Master while involved with women who had never even thought of themselves as submissive or kinky prior to engaging with me.  I also did not know how to enter the established leather/kink communities, knowing nothing and feeling like a raw outsider.

Still, even as I wavered on the outskirts of the leather scene, I I learned as much as I could about my own psychology, as well as the minds and emotions of the women I took in hand.  I studied energy work and developed my own spiritual practices.  I took time to read books on leather and M/s, whatever I could get my hands on, from all sorts of perspectives.  These are the sorts of personal development practices that I continue today, and I expect the same commitment to her own self-understanding from any submissive woman that I might take on.

As a leatherdyke, I have a strong affinity for my gay leather brothers.  I wanted more than anything to have a Mentor/mentee relationship like so many gay leathermen seemed to have.  I never found a Mentor.  I did, however, find the Master's Retreat, lead by Dean Walradt, in 2001.  This retreat for Masters/Mistresses and Dominants was my first-ever leather event.  I formed relationships in that retreat that remain today.  I learned more about myself as a novice Master, and I had the opportunity to learn from other, more experienced Masters as they spoke about their experiences and challenges.  The retreat was a safe space to check egos at the door and to discuss the complexities of Mastery and Ownership with an openness that I have rarely seen since.  I returned from the retreat forever changed, and grateful for the opportunity. 

A few years later, I became the first woman to attend Master Taino's Master Training Academy.  Yes, that's right, training for Masters, provided by a staff of both Masters and slaves.  We were together for four days of introductory hands-on skills training and discussions on protocols, control, communication, understanding slave psychology, and how to structure successful M/s relationships.  We weren't given a how-to manual.  We weren't given an add-water-and-stir formula for M/s.  Instead, I gained much more insight on what inspires my passion for discipline and service, what qualities I seek in a slave, what qualities I seek to improve in myself as a Master, and the importance of developing protocols that serve my specific interests as a Master and that give guidance to my property.

I continue to attend workshops and conferences like Together in Leather and the Master/slave Conference, where I have the opportunity to further develop my skills and to engage others who are dedicated to M/s as their way of life.  I think that my apprentice approach to Mastery has served me well, and that I am a better Master for my efforts.

This is only my story; I hope it serves as one example of how a Master may seek training without forsaking individuality, dignity, or credibility, and in doing so improve the quality of her character in addition to her skills.




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