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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 4:30:55 AM   
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Sticking to the simple point to discern, I absolutely agree that a Dom (or Master) is slave to his own standards. And yeah, those standards have no relevance without a sub/slave to exercise them on.

But no, it is not logical to conclude a Dom is therefore a slave. Still, I can't wait for the next instalment of that old flawed chestnut of "sub has all the power"....

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 5:29:15 AM   
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But, I want to talk about how every slave is a Master (that's what it says in the subject line).

That's not how it works in this household, on either side of the kneel.

Here, the s-types are s-types because they *want* to be. It's how they function best, it's why they went out of their way to find people to dominant them.

It's supposed to be a power exchange, which means both sides are exchanging power. One side may be less equal in terms of decision making, but that doesn't make them lesser to the combined whole. For me and mine, it's more symbiotic than that.


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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 5:55:09 AM   
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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 5:58:02 AM   
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Interesting thought?

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 7:34:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: intellectualslve

hello first you shouldnt cheat yourself during reading this topic

yes every slave is a master now cauze he requested from a mistress to own hime ...and she doing that...he request for serve her cauze that make him happy and she doing him request.......so the mistress is a slave doing all requests for the slave ....the another thing that mistress is a slave to money ,life.....i think slave boys couldnt live without mistress its to diffcult for him to alive without a girl dominat him ....but the dom and sadctic girl doesnt care about she has a slave or no ...cauze she doing that in fantazy way......finally slave men need the mistresses more the mistresses need him ...so that the mistresses are slaves they do requests of a slaves for money or fantazy ...but at all she doing something what man he want



I am going to say that it depends entirely on the individuals involved and leave it at that. I don't care about OP's relationships.

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 8:31:50 AM   
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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 8:36:45 AM   
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Ok. I'll play.

The REAL power in any relationship, lies with the one who is least vested in the relationship.

(one in every crowd, huh?)

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 9:45:49 AM   
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oooh I like that Eve, good point.

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 9:49:21 AM   
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I will also agree with Eve on that point.

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 12:00:11 PM   
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i believe we all serve, especially if we love or have deep feeling for the one we serve or the one who serves us.  yet even if we don't our roles change with time and with personnal need, both physical and emotional.  while i serve my Mistress in someways  She serves me.  (boy will i be in trouble Saturday), but it is true we all serve and to a bigger or lesser extent as we open up our heart and soul we become servants of the other.

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 12:13:08 PM   
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Give the man a break - he is from the middle east, and presumably, English is his second language - thereby making him "intellectual" to me - since i have no second language.


His profile doesn't say that. It just says that's his ethnic background. My ethnic background is Russian but that doesn't mean I speak it.

Just another pissed off guy who can't get a domme to be a fetish delivery system. But I do confess to some curiosity about what he wants that he's gotten turned down numerous times by pro dommes.

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 12:20:45 PM   
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Since there is very little to say about not understanding the difference between a granting a request and complying with a command, I'll go with this instead.

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ORIGINAL: pyschosubmission


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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/26/2012 3:33:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: evesgrden

Ok. I'll play.

The REAL power in any relationship, lies with the one who is least vested in the relationship.

(one in every crowd, huh?)


That's an interesting way of putting it, I think I agree
as well!
well said.

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/27/2012 10:10:32 AM   
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I have heard that statement and I agree as well.

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/27/2012 10:14:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: myotherself

I'm assuming (hoping!) that English isn't your first language, because that post made my eyes bleed...


Now onto the post (translated into English):

I believe that every slave is a master because he asked a mistress to own him.

He asked to serve her because it would make him happy and, because she agreed to his request, the mistress becomes a slave because she is doing what the slave has asked.

Also, the mistress is a slave to money and life.

I think slave boys would find it difficult to live without a mistress, but the dominant, sadistic woman doesn't care whether she has a slave or not because she's looking at it as a fantasy.

Finally, slave men need a mistress more than a mistress needs them. Therefore mistresses are still slaves because they do what the sub men request, either for money or because it's a fantasy of theirs, but in the end she's doing what the men want.


OP - I think you need to do some reading and I think you need to get out there and meet some subs, slaves, Mistresses, Masters in real llife. You seem to have a very skewed view of an M/s relationship and all the high school philosophising isn't going to help you find what you want.

Making a request does not put you in charge. Answering a request in the positive does not make you a slave.




Even translated it's still gobblty-gook.

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/27/2012 10:16:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pyschosubmission


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.


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Me too even if it took till 2008 to get here.

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/27/2012 10:25:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: autumnember

Just as every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints! (Rolling Stones)


Now I have that stuck.....


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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/27/2012 10:48:10 AM   
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quote:

hello first you shouldnt cheat yourself during reading this topic

yes every slave is a master now cauze he requested from a mistress to own hime ...and she doing that...he request for serve her cauze that make him happy and she doing him request.......so the mistress is a slave doing all requests for the slave ....the another thing that mistress is a slave to money ,life.....i think slave boys couldnt live without mistress its to diffcult for him to alive without a girl dominat him ....but the dom and sadctic girl doesnt care about she has a slave or no ...cauze she doing that in fantazy way......finally slave men need the mistresses more the mistresses need him ...so that the mistresses are slaves they do requests of a slaves for money or fantazy ...but at all she doing something what man he want


Intellectual, are you? And, that's the best you can do toward language usage? Are you drunk? Did someone recently hit you in the head, repeatedly, and are you blacking out? I'm vitally worried that, if no is the answer to those two questions, you might have a tumor.

Even so, and even though you obviously just wish to be controversial, I wade into the b.s. and make reply.:

1) A Mistress is not necessarily a slave owner of any sort. I am a Mistress and I have, ever since the age of 12, been, to some degree, a Mistress because I was acting as the female head of a household: mine or someone elses. Some of that time I really was a slave and some of that time I owned slaves, including doing both at once. Mistress, however, is not a title that means slave owner. Master does! Historically speaking, if a woman owned a slave, then, when the slave was asked who was its master,, it would reply that Mistress, Dame, Her Majesty (or whatever her title was followed by her name) was its master. Or, whatever the equivalent was, at the time in history, and in the place where the question was being asked.
2) A female slave owner does not necessarily own male slaves.
3) Just because a slave begs to be owned and you acquiesce does not mean that the slave is in charge. Do you feel that you are in charge of the city, every time you call because there is a pothole in the road and, eventually, someone comes around to fix it? Are you suddenly the Mayor? Pfft .. The fact that the slave is begging should tell you something about the situation, because ..
4) As the one thing you got right says, assuming I understood that gibbering correctly, she doesn't need the slave. No one NEEDS slaves, even when they joke and say they do. Slaves are fun! I don't NEED to own anyone, because I can get on with my life just fine without them. I prefer to own slaves; but, slaves NEED to be owned. It is in their make-up. So, when they beg to be owned and I do allow them the privilege, or I simply walk by them one day and spot them for what they are and order them to come along, it is not me needing them, but, them needing me and me being kind enough to allow them admission into my life, as long as they please me.
5) Every slave is not owned by a Mistress.
6) Most slaves I owned were purchased or given to me as gifts. They had no choice in the matter and they were certainly not telling me to own them; though, many of them did beg me to let them stay rather than to go elsewhere, at some point or another.
7) If you weren't completely full of twaddle, and unable to write coherent sentences, and you said what you really seem to want to have said - that most Mistresses are fake arsed scamming whores who are not really in charge because they are just doing what the alleged slave males want in order to get their money, I would have agreed with you. You did, however, utterly fail to make that point, so you stand corrected.

Whereas I stand disgusted by your lack of command of the English language; and idly wondering, for my own self-amusement, how hard it would be to find you, in order to beat your arse red, soap up your mouth, spank your fumble-fingers with a ruler, and make you rewrite the whole thing, over and over again, until it finally made sense. Ooh, that would be fun. I wonder, though, if that isn't what you want?

No wait, I don't care! Why? Because:

8) Doing what she wants, even though the slave also wants it done, does not make the Mistress less in command. It is doing what she does not want, and has no compelling other reason to do, just to please the slave, that is where she loses her grip.

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/27/2012 12:44:53 PM   
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I think he's gone (OP) - he must be on a fapping spree, watching unrealistic porn, where they all are happy and waving at the camera telling the viewers what a great time they had (thinking about their paycheck no doubt).

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RE: every slave is a master...and every mistress is a s... - 9/27/2012 12:54:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JanahX

English please. I have a feeling its a bunch of nonsense to begin with - but when your nonsense is unreadable it is whats known as a DOUBLE FAIL.


And what makes this funnier is their screen name: "intellectualslve"

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