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Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 8:09:58 AM   
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Greetings this morning.

It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. Naturally, Foxnews is headlining this and is just putting out the facts but as of 10am cst the other two are working up their spin on this still.

But what we need to know before rushing to judgement is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us?

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 8:14:04 AM   
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Nothing confirmed whatsoever.   It is Faux. 

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 8:18:19 AM   
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What`a ya think folks......will the cons,with Mitt`s leadership..... pick and poke at the body`s of our dead...... the way the Iranians did after our GIs crashed there trying to rescue our hostages?  

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 8:21:29 AM   
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Greetings this morning.
It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. Naturally, Foxnews is headlining this and is just putting out the facts but as of 10am cst the other two are working up their spin on this still.
But what we need to know before rushing to judgement is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us?
Be well.


There may have been reasons, though I can not come up with one off the top of my head. I would say that there are times for "strategic falsehoods" and times for outright honesty. Which is the case for this? I don't know.

Unless there is a high level member of Obama's Administration here that is willing to let us on as to why, we're unlikely to ever find out the truth. Thus, it's probably not worthy of discussion.

As much as I dislike most of the actions of this Administration, not telling the general public about knowing it was an organized attack within 24 hours is not something I think we'll be able to chalk into the "bad job" column.

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 8:21:57 AM   
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It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America.
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Non right wing hate media source?

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 8:42:10 AM   
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If anyone here would throw Mr Obama under the bus in a heartbeat, I have to say this was actually a presidential style move. Had he or Ms Clinton hit the panic button then the fear and panic would have been caused without any effort at all on those who started this crap. The whole thing seems to be a conflict that was looking for some form or fashion of trigger. The threat has been there for a while. Un armed guards was a bit unwise, but pulling in the diplomats in any area is an international symbol of fear and weakness, or a precursor to aggressive action, which in the middle of the mid east is like taking a baseball bat to a beehive.
He did good, they did good, and what could we, the american populace, do had we known earlier other than confuse the issue with What would ________________
do in this instance. Sometimes it is best to let the guy in charge do his job and work it out from there.

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 8:49:00 AM   
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If anyone here would throw Mr Obama under the bus in a heartbeat, I have to say this was actually a presidential style move. Had he or Ms Clinton hit the panic button then the fear and panic would have been caused without any effort at all on those who started this crap. The whole thing seems to be a conflict that was looking for some form or fashion of trigger. The threat has been there for a while. Un armed guards was a bit unwise, but pulling in the diplomats in any area is an international symbol of fear and weakness, or a precursor to aggressive action, which in the middle of the mid east is like taking a baseball bat to a beehive.
He did good, they did good, and what could we, the american populace, do had we known earlier other than confuse the issue with What would ________________
do in this instance. Sometimes it is best to let the guy in charge do his job and work it out from there.


Couldn't agree more, in this case.

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 9:06:58 AM   
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The problem lays at the feet of the fourth estate. How many times are politicians allowed to give outrageous lies, only to have the media let them "walk back their statement"?

Our fourth estate has become a fifth column which is clearly slanted left, and willing to turn a blind eye towards the lies politicians say.

The days of investigative reporters is gone, there are no more journalists with integrity.

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 10:33:40 AM   
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The problem lays at the feet of the fourth estate. How many times are politicians allowed to give outrageous lies, only to have the media let them "walk back their statement"?

Our fourth estate has become a fifth column which is clearly slanted left, and willing to turn a blind eye towards the lies politicians say.

The days of investigative reporters is gone, there are no more journalists with integrity.

Yeah I remember clearly how that noted liberal President George W Bush lied to the American people about the need to invade Iraq to prevent them from developing WMD's and the press didn't even bother fact checking such an outrageous claim. He even had the temerity to make fun of us believing his lies in a speech in front of the Washington press corps annual dinner.

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 10:39:16 AM   
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Nothing confirmed whatsoever.   It is Faux. 

Was on Anderson Cooper 360 last night with the claim that the FBI still does not have access to the crime scene.

Hope it is faux

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 11:20:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Greetings this morning.

It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. Naturally, Foxnews is headlining this and is just putting out the facts but as of 10am cst the other two are working up their spin on this still.

But what we need to know before rushing to judgement is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us?

Be well.



The irony of "Before rushing to judgement"......... Can you back your claim that they "knew" because it was thoroughly debunked on another thread.

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 12:07:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Greetings this morning.

It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. Naturally, Foxnews is headlining this and is just putting out the facts but as of 10am cst the other two are working up their spin on this still.

But what we need to know before rushing to judgement is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us?

Be well.


Fox/Arturas unsubstantiated BS. And besides, it's unwise for a government to be releasing volumes of information while they are still using the advantages afforded by not letting the ENEMY know they know it.
  Sounds really like the OP is advocating aid and comfort to America's enemies.

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 12:09:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Greetings this morning.

It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. Naturally, Foxnews is headlining this and is just putting out the facts but as of 10am cst the other two are working up their spin on this still.

But what we need to know before rushing to judgement is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us?

Be well.



The irony of "Before rushing to judgement"......... Can you back your claim that they "knew" because it was thoroughly debunked on another thread.



Greetings,

How could it (the attack was the work of a terrorist organization) be "thoroughly debunked" when it is true. That has been credibly proven for days now and the difference here are U.S. government sources within the Administration that say the Obama Admin. knew on the first day they were lying to us.

Here is the current foxnews headline now indicating "Senior U.S. Officials now admit the Obama administration new much earlier than indicated before, within 24 hours, that it was not a random act of violence triggered by a video.

quote:


Two senior U.S. officials said that the Obama administration internally labeled the attack terrorism from the first day in order to unlock and mobilize certain resources to respond, and that officials were looking for one specific suspect. The officials said the intelligence community knew by Sept. 12 that the militant Ansar al-Shariah and Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb were likely behind the strike.

Further, an official said, "No one ... believed that the mortars, indirect and direct fire, and the RPGs were just the work of a mob -- no one."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/27/us-officials-knew-libya-attack-was-terrorism-within-24-hours-sources-confirm/#ixzz27hJKR5Wu


This means the Obama White House was lying to U.S.

and of course there are plenty of references now that prove Romney was right about it being an attack and that the video statement released by the Administration was a weak response to the news of the video and was too weak to prevent the attack, the sacking and burning of Amercian property on American soil and the brutal murder of American citizens by terrorist armed forces ...

quote:

The White House, after insisting for eight days that the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a "spontaneous" act, conceded Thursday that it was "self evident" that it was an act of terror.

"It is, I think, self evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack," White House Spokesman Jay Carney said. "Our embassy was attacked violently and the result was four deaths of American officials. That is self evident."

Fox News reported the news Thursday in its website's main headline, noting that earlier in the week, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland declined to label the attack terrorism.

Carney's statement to reporters comes after the director of the National Counterterrorism Center testified at a Senate hearing Wednesday that the strike was indeed a "terrorist attack." Matt Olsen, director of the NCTC, said: "Yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy."

Olsen said, however that U.S. officials have no specific intelligence about "significant advanced planning or coordination" for the attack.

"The administration is still sticking by its claim that they don't have evidence the assault was pre-planned. But Carney for the first time Thursday called it terrorism -- while downplaying the fact that he was doing so," wrote Fox News.





So, perhaps the "debunkers" were spinning. Speaking of spinning, the other two cable news networds are still figuring out how to spin this.


Well wishes,
Arturas

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 12:18:35 PM   
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Lying to the public in that situation makes sense to avoid tipping the attackers that we were on to them, not warning the embassy on the other hand makes no sense, same with not having proper security in the first place.

Sorry not intended as a response to anyone in particular.

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 12:19:13 PM   
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"It is, I think, self evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack," White House Spokesman Jay Carney said. "Our embassy was attacked violently and the result was four deaths of American officials. That is self evident."


Greetings nay sayers.

"Self Evident. " This means it is evident without any need for proof that the attack in Benghazi (where our consulate was sacked and burned and our ambassador raped and murdered and three other Americans brutally murdered on American soil). was not a random act of violence triggered by that video as Obama was publically saying even after the White House press secretary debunked the video theory and labeled as the work of a terrorist organization. Last night, Hillary, when speaking to foreign dignitaries, said an Al Qaeda local terrorist cell linked to the organization responsible for he 9/11 attacks was suspected.

How can "Self Evident" according to the White House press secretary be "debunked thoroughly in another thread" with any credibility? That must have been some powerful spinning.

Well Wishes
Arturas


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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 12:22:06 PM   
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From faux nuze quote:
Two senior U.S. officials said that the Obama administration internally labeled the attack terrorism from the first day in order to unlock and mobilize certain resources to respond, and that officials were looking for one specific suspect. The officials said the intelligence community knew by Sept. 12 that the militant Ansar al-Shariah and Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb were likely behind the strike.

Further, an official said, "No one ... believed that the mortars, indirect and direct fire, and the RPGs were just the work of a mob -- no one."


I assume faux nuze has given these names to the DOJ and their sworn affidavits so that they may be tried for divulging state secrets, if not, the faux nuze article is meaningless.


And in other nuze, two high level Bain spokesmen said that Willard is a nazi war criminal.

Proof of the highest caliber, there. 


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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 12:23:11 PM   
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Lying to the public in that situation makes sense to avoid tipping the attackers that we were on to them, not warning the embassy on the other hand makes no sense, same with not having proper security in the first place.

Sorry not intended as a response to anyone in particular.


Greetings,

Great post. I might actually see that.

Well wishes,
Arturas



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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 12:30:50 PM   
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"It is, I think, self evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack," White House Spokesman Jay Carney said. "Our embassy was attacked violently and the result was four deaths of American officials. That is self evident."


Greetings nay sayers.

"Self Evident. " This means it is evident without any need for proof that the attack in Benghazi (where our consulate was sacked and burned and our ambassador raped and murdered and three other Americans brutally murdered on American soil). was not a random act of violence triggered by that video as Obama was publically saying even after the White House press secretary debunked the video theory and labeled as the work of a terrorist organization. Last night, Hillary, when speaking to foreign dignitaries, said an Al Qaeda local terrorist cell linked to the organization responsible for he 9/11 attacks was suspected.

How can "Self Evident" according to the White House press secretary be "debunked thoroughly in another thread" with any credibility? That must have been some powerful spinning.

Well Wishes
Arturas



Two points.....one being my mistake. I was talking of the notion the White House knew beforehand (which was debunked)......so I apologize for that.

Second point.......Nothing Carney has said indicates Obama knew within 24 hours that it was a terrorist attack.

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 12:36:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas

Greetings this morning.

It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. Naturally, Foxnews is headlining this and is just putting out the facts but as of 10am cst the other two are working up their spin on this still.

But what we need to know before rushing to judgement is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us?

Be well.


Fox/Arturas unsubstantiated BS. And besides, it's unwise for a government to be releasing volumes of information while they are still using the advantages afforded by not letting the ENEMY know they know it.
  Sounds really like the OP is advocating aid and comfort to America's enemies.



Greetings,

First. While I can entertain the notion that Obama did not want to let the terriorist organization know "we were on to them", in the words of the Press Secretary for the White House, "it was self evident" and so to make us look stupid in front of the world and pretend we know nothing lends credibility to the theory that the Obama White House thinks Americans are stupid and will believe anything, no matter how incredible.

Second. Not admitting we knew it was a terrorist organization and planned attack was the cause and so NOT publically looking strong and knowing rather than looking clueless and weak for days on end, does not seem to be a great American foreign policy. It might lead to copycat riots , copycatting the riot Obama says happened rather than a planned attack, on embassies all over the world, ours and other countries.

Oh wait, that did happen!!!! Well, there you have it.

Third. Suggesting I, as the OP, would endorse giving aid and comfort to the enemy by admitting we knew who they were and we were not going to tolerate it and we will get them is a huge stretch and a common left technique called "diversion", where you make the culprit, the Obama Admin, instead the victum and anyone who is the victum of this lie is instead the culprit for "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" by advocating the truth be told.

Well wishes,

Arturas

updated to correct point two.

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RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? - 9/27/2012 12:40:34 PM   
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From faux nuze quote:
Two senior U.S. officials said that the Obama administration internally labeled the attack terrorism from the first day in order to unlock and mobilize certain resources to respond, and that officials were looking for one specific suspect. The officials said the intelligence community knew by Sept. 12 that the militant Ansar al-Shariah and Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb were likely behind the strike.

Further, an official said, "No one ... believed that the mortars, indirect and direct fire, and the RPGs were just the work of a mob -- no one."


I assume faux nuze has given these names to the DOJ and their sworn affidavits so that they may be tried for divulging state secrets, if not, the faux nuze article is meaningless.


And in other nuze, two high level Bain spokesmen said that Willard is a nazi war criminal.

Proof of the highest caliber, there. 



They can't even keep Joe Scarborough under control anymore. What makes you think they can communicate effectively with the outside world.
   They have emploded into a closed-end download between them and the idiots still listening to them, hoping the "mews" will get out through their network of "useful idiots" (a title they deserve but foist upon anyone with a clearer viewpont than them).

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