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vincentML -> The presidential debate myth: (9/28/2012 8:19:38 AM)

This writer says they have seldom been a game changer; at best they only reaffirm the trend.

The first debate is next Wednesday.

Do you agree with the proposition put forth in the article?
If not, how do you think they might be a decisive factor? (leaving out any exogenous events)
What are your hopes for the debates?
What do you expect from each candidate?
Will you be watching with intense interest? casually with beers and pizza? intermittantly between orgasms?
Enquiring minds wanna know [:)]



mnottertail -> RE: The presidential debate myth: (9/28/2012 8:24:00 AM)

Candidates are usually prepped, prepped, interrogated, beat down, worked over, so they are fairly set to have it down cold, there are notable exceptions occasionally.

Unless someone says something incredibly dumb, it is just the same stuff we been thru for the last year, year and a half, like ESPN talking over the analysis of the game plays.  

I think nowadays it will garner each candidate a vote or two from the 'undecided'.  But for all intents and purposes the votes are already locked in.



subspaceseven -> RE: The presidential debate myth: (9/28/2012 8:36:39 AM)

Hell they agree to everything first, who asks the questions, what the questions are, there will be nothing new they offer or will tell us.

Nothing but show biz to keep the masses believing that they matter,



Yachtie -> RE: The presidential debate myth: (9/28/2012 9:48:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subspaceseven

Nothing but show biz to keep the masses believing that they matter,


Yep... Razzle Dazzle em.[:D]



mnottertail -> RE: The presidential debate myth: (9/28/2012 9:51:29 AM)

Presidential Debates.............Gangnam Style!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0



xBullx -> RE: The presidential debate myth: (9/28/2012 10:09:48 AM)


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To be honest, I do believe that many people that discuss politics on a daily basis have already made up their minds and will either explain away or rave over their "choice" before, during and after the debates. For a great many of you out there it is no longer about choosing the better person for the job (hell maybe it hasn't been for a long time), it's about your team winning, just like a football game. Just like a football team the players come and go; you cheer them if they can bring your team to victory, a victory at any cost and bash them as losers if they can't further your team colors. For this brand of person, to pretend they are looking out for "the greater good" is bullshit at best. Hell many of you from either side don't realize just how pathetic your commentary sounds to the open mind. Right or left when all you are capable of is bashing the opponent you have already lost. You can't construct a wondrous structure with a wrecking ball.

Take note that more often than not the winners almost never stand up to what they have professed, from either side. They give you a little here and a little there, but neither side is all that genuine. Now for me the debates do mean something, I have nearly decided that I do not trust nor hold any real confidence in the current President; and like many that think as I, we are waiting to see if Romney is convincing under fire in the face of his advisory and how he responds, behaves and carries himself. If he does poorly I will vote Libertarian.

So myth or not there are those of us that don't simply vote a party line as would a blind surf.



vincentML -> RE: The presidential debate myth: (9/28/2012 12:12:11 PM)

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To be honest, I do believe that many people that discuss politics on a daily basis have already made up their minds and will either explain away or rave over their "choice" before, during and after the debates.

Well yeah, we are coming to understand that our choices are rationalizations of our emotional decisions. So really, what is this open mind you mentioned?

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Take note that more often than not the winners almost never stand up to what they have professed, from either side.


But isn't that the difference between campaigning for the possible and governing in the face of realities?



joether -> RE: The presidential debate myth: (9/28/2012 12:32:35 PM)

As President Barlett put it in the West Wing TV series (Played by actor Martin Sheen): "Presidential debates are nothing more than multi-person press conferences". Implying there really are not debating anything so much as giving rehearsed dialogue to a question they know ahead of time. That might be why no one really takes the debates seriously, or as a chance to see how either would handle things 'under fire'.



vincentML -> RE: The presidential debate myth: (9/28/2012 2:43:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

As President Barlett put it in the West Wing TV series (Played by actor Martin Sheen): "Presidential debates are nothing more than multi-person press conferences". Implying there really are not debating anything so much as giving rehearsed dialogue to a question they know ahead of time. That might be why no one really takes the debates seriously, or as a chance to see how either would handle things 'under fire'.

Don't see them going away tho. Do you?
So, basically they are useless?



xBullx -> RE: The presidential debate myth: (9/28/2012 2:48:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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To be honest, I do believe that many people that discuss politics on a daily basis have already made up their minds and will either explain away or rave over their "choice" before, during and after the debates.

Well yeah, we are coming to understand that our choices are rationalizations of our emotional decisions. So really, what is this open mind you mentioned?


I don't believe I mentioned anything about emotion. The only emotional reference I can detect is the over-zealous passion in defending one’s team no matter their legitimacy. Perhaps it’s that they truly believe that they are that on point or that they believe their point is the only point worth consideration, on point or not. I believe the latter is becoming the more prevalent association. Any way you look at it this country at present has two distinct majorities and neither listen to or cares about the ideas or positions of the other. It is little more than a win at all costs game they’re playing. As I see it every stage of this game costs us more of our liberty and freedom.

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Take note that more often than not the winners almost never stand up to what they have professed, from either side.


But isn't that the difference between campaigning for the possible and governing in the face of realities?


Not as I see it. I look for a man that can face the facts, truth and reality at all times. I personally do not accept the excuse that there is a difference. While perspective might distort various realities; reality in and of itself remains constant.

In other words, a lie is a lie. And if they are not wise enough to comment accurately on a subject before taking office they shouldn’t comment. But to watch the masses excuse their “man” in the name of politics is the most preposterous thing I’ve ever witnessed.
Spin it any way you wish, personally, I want a statesman that has all our interests at heart. Not just the voting segment he hopes to appeal to it the moment, only to forget them as soon as the money people show up.



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