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Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/13/2006 8:10:52 AM

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This is really a question for all Masters, Mistresses and sub/slaves.
What is the difference between a alpha slave and the others? (beta to omega if you have that many) Is she a straw boss? or does she set a example of submission or what? What does the term mean in reality?

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/13/2006 8:24:44 AM

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You hit the nail on the head with straw boss, Pavane.
Some houses refer to them as alpha slaves. In Gorean homes they are referred to as first girl.

It just boils down to the pecking order, all at the whim of the Master, and can be changed at any time.

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/13/2006 9:08:15 AM

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It means whatever the Master or Mistress of the house decides it means, nothing more.

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/13/2006 9:25:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PAVANE
This is really a question for all Masters, Mistresses and sub/slaves.
What is the difference between a alpha slave and the others? (beta to omega if you have that many) Is she a straw boss? or does she set a example of submission or what? What does the term mean in reality?

It can mean

- second in command, first point of contact if there's a problem, with some delegated responsibilities over rewards/punishment/giving orders

OR

- first person who happened to get into the relationship, so has been there longest

OR

- person with deeper emotional intimacy with the master

Or something else...or some combination of the above.

It's important to point out that "alpha" is NOT NECESSARILY the "one who's been there longest." In some cases, a newer slave is put into the position of alpha because they are better suited for that position within the relationship.

It's also important to point out that "alpha" has no set in stone definition, and in many poly relationship, the position is not used or labeled at all.

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/13/2006 6:29:55 PM

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LOL I have been using a gorean term , even before I read those boring damn Books

To me Alpha , means what it means in scientific terms , It is not something i change on a whim , My Mate Robin is My " First girl " and my Alpha partner . we are engaged and plan to spend the rest of our lives together. Yes I am dragging my feet after my Divorce LOL

so to explain futher I tend to build my relationships on the example of the Wolf , <Shocking aint it >

1) The alpha pair. Sometimes referred to as the breeding pair, the alpha pair consists of a male and a female wolf. These are the two wolves which will, generally, mate and produce offspring . These are the two top-ranking wolves in the pack, and they are dominant over all other wolves in the pack. They often (but not always) direct the activities of the pack.
(2) Mature subordinates. These would include the other wolves in the pack who are subservient to the alpha pair. Often, there are two separate dominance orders within a pack - one for males and one for females, but Mech (1999) notes that is not always the case in wild wolf packs. The highest ranking wolves among the mature, subordinate animals are often referred to as beta wolves.
(3) Omega wolves. Many wolves packs contain one or a few omega wolves which may be appear to be mistreated by other pack members. Such wolves often avoid the other members of the pack and may be ambushed by other pack members should they try to approach the pack.
(4) Juveniles. These would be young wolves that have not yet secured themselves a position within the pack's hierarchy. However, young wolf pups will "play-fight" and this often results in the formation of a dominance hierarchy among the juveniles. This juvenile hierarchy often changes frequently.

In this " Ideal" I am My mate , being in a secure relationship and being " breeder's" would equate as Alpha Dominants , even though My mate is Submissive to myself , she has no desire to submit to anyone else though she does enjoy bottoming once and awhile as do I.

Mature Subordinates would be those who seek to Submit to Myself or my Mate , Usually Both in Some way because if your in My Pack , even if you belong to another " Dominant" personality in my Pack your still Part of the pack and of course under my power in Some ways , In this I lump Long term connected students and those under mentorship agreements.

Omegas are those slaves who wish to be at the bottom of the packs pecking order , Yes it appears they are abused , But thats what they want . Of course I dont allow the Ambusing unless its part of a prenegotiated scene.

Juveniles would be those Novice Dom/Sub Top/ Bottom Master / Slaves entering the Pack or wanting to enter the social circle of the pack , they really have no standing other than curtasy , in the Pack Dynamic . Being there to learn they can expect No deferrance from the long standing members of the pack.

Not listed in the Wolf section is the "Lone" or independant person , Be they D/s T/B M/S , they are associated but not part of the pack , prefuring to remain on the edges , in the wood so to speak . those we respect and allow in at their convienance.

Hows that for an Answer?

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/13/2006 7:16:21 PM

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Alpha means she's going to kick your ass...alpha male..my ass''' look at this alpha kickin boxing chick.....Fastlane, is my alpha male...but, i can kick his ass too...but will never admit it.....snickers and waits for him to read

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/13/2006 7:23:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty

You hit the nail on the head with straw boss, Pavane.
Some houses refer to them as alpha slaves. In Gorean homes they are referred to as first girl.

It just boils down to the pecking order, all at the whim of the Master, and can be changed at any time.

T.R.

Hmmmph, in the pimp game she is called the bottom bitch.

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/14/2006 6:05:15 AM

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LA,

I agree with the fact that there can be many meanings & the ones you listed are good examples.

I found this to be an extremely important point

quote:

It's important to point out that "alpha" is NOT NECESSARILY the "one who's been there longest." In some cases, a newer slave is put into the position of alpha because they are better suited for that position within the relationship.

It's also important to point out that "alpha" has no set in stone definition, and in many poly relationship, the position is not used or labeled at all.

So often the drama & turmoil within relationships with multiple relationships because it is assumed that seniority means alpha status.

I could list countless scenarios, but that is really pointless. All I can say is that if anyone is entertaining ideas of multi-partner relationships... don't screw up & assume anything. Investigate, communicate & put EVERYTHING on the table so that all members of the group are on the same page. The who's, how's & why's of specific titles or classifications are extremely trivial in the grand scheme of it all. Having a meeting of minds will put everything in perspective & each will know their place & fit comfortably in the equation.

Again, like you said... most poly relationships do not use labels within their own circle.

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/14/2006 1:09:16 PM

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what is the difference...whatever the master says is the difference, other than that it means nothing whatsoever

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/14/2006 2:19:45 PM

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I have come to a better understanding that being alpha doesnt neccesarily mean better but it can mean you know that you have more exprience. So me just learning this from personal exprience i tihnk of it as the alpha taking the beta under there ring to show them the the ropes so to speak. i also learned that the alpha and beta shouldnt think of it as a competion they should try to work together to make Daddy/Master/Sir so yeah just though i might throw my two cents in here....... actually my sister celli told me i need to post this so here it is

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/14/2006 2:37:25 PM

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actually what stormi failed to mention was the fact that we were discussing this forum on messanger... and she posted this to me (with corrections made)

swonderwoman1684: i have come to a better understanding that being alpha doesnt necssarily mean better but it can mean you know that you have more experience so the alpha is kind of taking the beta under their ring to show them the ropes so to speak

we had a situation this weekend where it was made clear what the 'pecking' order was in our family so to say... and she wrote me saying this about that:

swonderwoman1684: lol yeah it was kind of a hard thing to learn but i think what happened this weekend was i hope this doesnt piss you off but i think that it needed to happen so you and me could sit down talk and clear the air on some shit and get it out in the open and i got a better understanding from you as i hope that you kind of got a better understanding from where i was coming from

i can say that yes, being an alpha slave is a big responsiblity not only in helping the beta or other slaves to learn what their Daddy/Master/Sir likes, but also because they look up to the alpha. this places a lot more responsibility in the fact that the alpha is the role model so to say and must act accordingly in that position. i would hope with daddy and stormi that it will come to a time when we(stormi and myself) are equals....

that is my two cents

celli

< Message edited by cellibrat -- 6/14/2006 2:41:44 PM >

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RE: Alpha slave. What does it mean exactly? - 6/16/2006 7:24:12 AM

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based on what her Master told her it ment for her, it means this girl is responsable for any and all other sub/slaves when He is not in attendance. it means that W/we have a very close emotional relationship, that this girl will be the first and maybe the only sub/slave contacted in the case of an emergancy and it will be up to her to inform the others if they need to be informed. this girl is her Master's favorite and first girl and as long as she can behave in an appropriate manner she will have no fear of losing her position.

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