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LadyHibiscus -> RE: I don't mean to come off as strange (9/30/2012 6:22:36 PM)

Thank you, LP.




LadyPact -> RE: I don't mean to come off as strange (9/30/2012 10:08:51 PM)

Has to be said, Hib. We always talk about kinky people being their genuine selves. I'll never understand why vanilla people aren't entitled to the same thing.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: I don't mean to come off as strange (9/30/2012 11:22:59 PM)

I have to agree with you LadyP - why should she be the one who changes?

OP - it's hard to imagine being completely vanilla when you're not. I know that. Submission is a big part of your romantic/sexual expression and it means so much to you it's hard to empathise with your wife wanting nothing to do with it. But think of it this way. Imagine if she desperately wanted you to be the dom. Think how hard it would be for you to take on that role. Think how unappealing it sounds to you. That's probably how your wife feels. Added to that, she might well feel badly treated since you knew she wasn't dominant, married her anyway, and then want her to change. She's also probably seen some unrealistic femdom porn and thinks you want her to strut around calling you a worm, sitting on your face and wielding a riding crop whilst you grovel and shiver. She may be worried that's how you'd expect life to be all of the time (you don't expect that? right? because if you think that's how this works, we have more to talk about).

Now that said, I do believe people in a healthy relationship should compromise and meet each other's needs as much as possible. Chances are, she will never be a full time domme. She probably just doesn't have that type of personality. But she may well learn to enjoy the occasional scene. I'm submissive all the way through, but if it was important to my husband, I could make the act convincing for a couple of hours every few weeks.

But you have to make it worth her while. Do as much housework as you possibly can. No one is horny when they feel they're doing all the work. Treat her like an angel - cook for her, give her massages, watch her shows without complaint, run errands (you'd be doing all these things as her sub anyway). Plan little surprises to let her know she's loved WITHOUT the expectation of kinky sex in return. Like lizi says - the more appreciated she feels, the more inclined she will be to go outside her comfort zone for you.

If she does agree to try it, let it go at her pace. You've probably being masturbating to this fantasy for years and have a clear idea of how it will go. It won't go like that. The point of submitting is you do the things SHE wants to do. She gets to say when it starts, when it stops, what she's willing to do. You don't get to moan and whinge or push for more. You don't get to complain or hint for more. If you do, it will just put her off. Afterwards, you should thank her sincerely for trying for you, and talk about what worked and what didn't. You don't say 'you should have beaten me harder' or 'why didn't you make me lick your boots?' but you can say 'it was exciting for me when you did this, how did you feel about it'. Let her find her own feet and see what she enjoys. Let her stop at any point with no fear of sulking. She might not want to spank you and tie you up - she might want you to rub her feet for an hour. The whole point of this is to show her that a) some parts can be fun for her and b) you're an awesomely good sport, so it might not be that bad after all.

But even if she is willing to do that for you, be realistic. Don't get so excited you forget that she likes vanilla sex. You shouldn't be asking for this every time, or even most of the time. Make sure her needs are more than being met. Again - imagine if she wanted you to be the dom - you'd get pretty pissed off if that's all she ever asked for and you never got your time, right?

I'm not saying this will work, but I believe if you approach it in a low-pressure and loving way,you might be able to reach some kind of compromise over time (over a long time). If that's not enough, maybe you should think about letting her go so she can find someone who meets her needs.




PheonixRose -> RE: I don't mean to come off as strange (10/1/2012 12:39:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SpyUnderCover

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ORIGINAL: P08C

You all are absolutely right (I'm sure you know that). Like I said, I'm not trying to come off with any sort of "vibe" I just wanted to vent somewhere and express the feelings on my mind. I love my wife very much and although, by the nature of my post and being on this site in general, I would NEVER cheat on her. I just want to learn how to bring her around to take her spot as the leader in our relationship. I do chores and nice things for her (I could probably do more) and I slowly let her in on my feelings. I'm sorry if I came across as deceitful but that is not really who I am. Anyway, thanks for all the advice.


P08C,

The idea of "bringing her around" raises a red flag for me. It implies that a) there's something "wrong" with who she is now, and b) she needs to get a clue so you can get your freak on. She might never "come around" to dominating you the way you want, if at all. It could be it's just not her thing.

On the other hand, I think there is a lot to be said for a guy with submissive leanings "serving" his wife via housework, pampering, and general chivalry. That's a good place to start if you want to submit to her, and sets a good example when you sit down and explain to her how you feel, and what it is you'd like.

I think a lot more women would be open to dominating if femdom weren't tainted with the stereotypes from porn and such. Because you will probably be her first genuine exposure to D/s, it's on you to be the example of how a real-life submissive treats his lady.

Akasha has written some great stuff on female domination, some of it directed toward men and some toward women. I highly recommend it. When the time is right, and if your wife seems at all receptive, you might want to read it and discuss it with her. (And here is Part Two.)

Remember, if your motive is truly to serve your wife, then it's got to be about her, not about you or what you want. She might want you to "serve her" by having you make the decisions or take the lead some of the time. If that's what she wants, that's what she ought to get.

I wish you luck. It might not turn out exactly as you envision it, but you never know till you talk honestly and openly. And don't nag! You may not get all of your needs met or fantasies realized, but you could get some of them. Or, to paraphrase the Rolling Stones, you may not get exactly what you want, but you just might get what you need.

Spy



from what i see and i can be domly some times is that its a switchy twitch type thing.

me and my man are both bi and well i submit to him but does he let my dom side go wild till he decides to take control and thats where the fun is in my submission and i love it. i use to search and search and search for the dom that could handle me being a brat when all that time it was that i more so needed a dom that was actually more of a switch so that we could take turns and fulfill my dom side as well as my sub ways and desires. it feels so good though i am going through sub frenzy withdrawl because of the situation right now so every time i see him hes having to be domly with me and kinda make me sad because he has to force me to go back home till hes aloud to be home again. its complicated and any explanations wanted can cmail and ask.

hope this gives a pov feed back as to what i see from what ive read to this particular post im quoting.




PheonixRose -> RE: I don't mean to come off as strange (10/1/2012 12:48:47 AM)

athena alot of what you said sounds like what i do. i like the strict control but most of the time i like the vanilla sex with a bit of tying up or holding my wrists above my head or a compromising position or even pushing the limits with a fear that i have but in the end its enjoyable and he loves it because i flex myself to meet his needs though my more so on very vanilla side bf and gf get pissed and scared and fustrated when i let these things happen but with lots of talking and working they are becomming more comfortable with it and letting us all have our own way and flair with each other as time goes on.




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