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The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 12:33:05 AM   
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My Owner and I got into a rather heated debate last night about the NASA Moon-landing, he claims that the footage from it was faked therefore the whole moon-landing never happened, he did concede that man has set foot on the moon, it just didn't happen the way we saw it.


SO my question is, how many others think that the moon landing was a political stunt and didn't occur the way they said it did?

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 1:40:16 AM   
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Your "owner" is an idiot.

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 2:34:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stef

Your "owner" is an idiot.

That is an understatement.

I personally saw the last moon landing mission take off, Apollo 17 in Dec. 1972. There is no way to fake the lunar footage with the technology available at the time.

Furthermore the Japanesse lunar orbiter took very good pictures of the Apollo 15 site in 2008.

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 3:55:25 AM   
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lilmissdefiant your owner is correct, most of the lunar footage is dubbed replayed an repeated, name calling an knowledge of what tech was or wasn't available only goes to show lack of knowledge... If the person wasn't on the Apollo mission craft they seen what they were allowed to see not what the crew seen... There was suppose to be a glass factory on the moon by 1977 an in full operation by 1979, the 12 shuttles were to carry 100 yard spools of steel cable to be welded into triangles which the glass panels made on the moon were to be put into place, and that was the grounds for a space station that never became what tax payers payed billions of dollars for to nasa to build... It was going to be something like the movie Babylon 5's space station... The problem with that was it seems the only organization in this country and may be this planet that can actually keep a secret is NASA... The moon is literally like one of those 50's Dinners where the girls came out on skates ? an how it was in the south east until bob jones universities an bible belt folk shut them down ? the moon is like a parking garage next to the omni mall in miami fla, it's where folks meet an greet...The pictures of the moon landing that were kept from the general public until a year or two ago showed dozens of space craft sitting all around the crater walls of the moon but only the flag and some foot steps were released...I suppose rather then to assume, the folks making negative comments an doing name calling really believe that this planet and the people on it are all there is in the universe... Sad Sad sooo soo so sad.... So know your Owner is true and correct lilmissdefiant, it was political an more then that it was ment to keep people in the dark, like the mushroom effect ? feed e'm shit and keep e'm in the dark ? LMAO ROTFLMAO Awwwuuuuuuu thank god for brain washed folk, your owner is right in what he has told you... JB

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 4:23:07 AM   
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I have to agree. Where are the photos of all of those other vehicles scattered around the moon ? Did all of the countries land there in secret ? If other were landing on the moon on a regular basis, the USA would know about it. 

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 4:53:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lilmissdefiant
My Owner and I got into a rather heated debate last night about the NASA Moon-landing, he claims that the footage from it was faked therefore the whole moon-landing never happened, he did concede that man has set foot on the moon, it just didn't happen the way we saw it.


This most likely has nothing to do with his IQ or sanity. What's going on is that the rational, logical portion of his mind is not what's running the show when it comes to this issue.

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ORIGINAL: http://kent.academia.edu/RobbieSutton/Papers/1275313/Dead_and_alive_Beliefs_in_contradictory_conspiracy_theories
Conspiracy theories can form a monological belief system: a self-sustaining worldviewcomprised of a network of mutually supportive beliefs. The present research shows that evenendorsement of mutually incompatible conspiracy theories are positively correlated. In Study 1(
n
= 137), the more participants believed that Princess Diana faked her own death, the more they believed that she was murdered. In Study 2 (
n
= 102), the more participants believed that OsamaBin Laden was already dead when U.S. special forces raided his compound in Pakistan, the morethey believed he is still alive. Hierarchical regression models showed that mutually incompatibleconspiracy theories are positively associated because both are associated with the view that theauthorities are engaged in a cover-up (Study 2). The monological nature of conspiracy belief appears to be driven not by conspiracy theories directly supporting one another, but by broader beliefs supporting conspiracy theories in general.


The rest of us look at this sort of thinking and say that's just nuts and don't get me wrong the thought process is all kinds of messed up. But not because conspiracy theorists as a percentage are more stupid or crazy than the rest of us.

All the explanations that I've seen by psychologists talk about this stuff in terms of emotional motivations.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/200809/paranoia-and-the-roots-conspiracy-theories
Melley proposes that conspiracy thinking arises from a combination of two factors, when someone: 1) holds strong individualist values and 2) lacks a sense of control. The first attribute refers to people who care deeply about an individual's right to make their own choices and direct their own lives without interference or obligations to a larger system (like the government). But combine this with a sense of powerlessness in one's own life, and you get what Melley calls agency panic, "intense anxiety about an apparent loss of autonomy" to outside forces or regulators.

When fervent individualists feel that they cannot exercise their independence, they experience a crisis and assume that larger forces are to blame for usurping this freedom. "For one who refuses to relinquish the assumptions of liberal individualism, such newly revealed forms of regulation frequently seem so unacceptable or unbelievable that they can only be met with anxiety, melodrama, or panic."
...
But what's the actual appeal of believing in conspiracy theories? What purpose do they serve people?

For one thing, conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating.



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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 5:01:36 AM   
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Your "owner" is an idiot.


He is not an idiot, he's just 'a few clowns short of a full circus!'

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 5:28:50 AM   
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I'm getting alarmed at the birthers, creationists, and moon deniers. Seems to be a rise in either the numbers of whackjobs, or else their vocality.

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 5:35:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef
Your "owner" is an idiot.


He is not an idiot, he's just 'a few clowns short of a full circus!'



Ok, let me say that, Back off on my Owner, he has his right to his own opinion.
My Question is, who else believes the moon landing was faked?

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 5:35:52 AM   
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What did you think would happen with the cuts to education?


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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 5:38:36 AM   
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I'm getting alarmed at the birthers, creationists, and moon deniers.


I found out recently that the biggest deniers are women's winter legwear. What's that all about?

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 5:55:46 AM   
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Not to many.

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 6:16:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lilmissdefiant
My Question is, who else believes the moon landing was faked?



The twirly hair guy, on the other thread?

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 6:17:35 AM   
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I'm getting alarmed at the birthers, creationists, and moon deniers.


I found out recently that the biggest deniers are women's winter legwear. What's that all about?

big round of applause honey:)

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 6:29:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lilmissdefiant
my question is, how many others think that the moon landing was a political stunt and didn't occur the way they said it did?

In my opinion it was both a political stunt and a scientific expedition.
Sure it did occur the way they said it did. (Except for the dangerous occult books that Armstrong and Aldrin secretly buried there during their sleep period).

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 6:46:12 AM   
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I heard about a film that persuasively argued the moon landing were fake, but I never saw it.

A 1999 Gallup poll found that 6% of the Americans surveyed doubted that the Moon landings happened and that 5% of those surveyed had no opinion,[13][14][15][16] which roughly matches the findings of a similar 1995 Time/CNN poll.[13] Officials of Fox television said that such skepticism rose to about 20% after the February 2001 airing of Fox network's TV show Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon? seen by about 15 million viewers.[14] This 2001 Fox special is seen as having promoted the hoax claims.

Many foreigners are also skeptical of the achievement, especially Cubans and Russians.

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 7:27:32 AM   
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I put this in the category of things that people deny, or conspiracies that people like to believe. I can't explain, rationally, why such stories hold such appeal for a certain (small) percentage of the population, but they do.

You and your Owner are unlikely to find common ground on this issue. You are entitled to your own opinion on this. I would recommend not discussing this topic with your Owner anymore. However, I would make a mental note that this is the way he feels because it might reflect what he thinks about other things that might matter more to you. File it away.

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 8:03:17 AM   
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To quote an excerpt from post 6 "In Study 1 ..., the more participants believed that Princess Diana faked her own death, the more they believed that she was murdered."

In my experience people in general are nuts where each subdivision has its own brand of nuts. This includes skeptics. The two statements

Princess Diana faked her own death.
Princess Diana was murdered.

are not logically incompatible. The domain of classical logic says little about such statements; hence, it is largely inapplicable. Clearly conspiracy theories emphasize what we don't know. It is amazing how much we take on faith. So what is being asked is, Why are some people skeptical of what many take for granted? As odd as it may seem, skeptics and those who tend to believe in conspiracies share a trait in common, namely disbelief. In other words, they both belong to the same genus. What then is the difference? Clearly one group relies on statistical reasoning whereas the other rejects statistical reasoning.

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 8:14:58 AM   
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See my previous post.

Since skeptics and conspiracy theory enthusiasts belong to the same genus, it is not unreasonable to conclude that some of the psychoanalytic theory concerning conspiracy theory enthusiasts also apply to skeptics. What motivates a skeptic? What makes skeptics so insecure?

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RE: The moon landing. - 10/1/2012 8:16:07 AM   
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quote:

I'm getting alarmed at the birthers, creationists, and moon deniers. Seems to be a rise in either the numbers of whackjobs, or else their vocality.



Every such case of non-conformity needs to be treated separately. Only a fool would believe what they are told (especially by the government).
The "birthers" hypothesis was totally legitimate (the evidence was debatable, and there were the signs of cover-up); there are logical (assuming we know the right logic) creationist theories. Moon landing has been proven with landing site satellite imaging: the traces are still there. 

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