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kalikshama -> Sen. Scott Brown (R) Meets Elizabeth Warren (D) in Mass. Senate Debate (10/1/2012 4:42:09 PM)

Watching it on c-span.org. I noticed the audience was more supportive of Warren than the polls would suggest, then realized the debate is at UMass.

http://www.c-span.org/Campaign2012/Events/Sen-Scott-Brown-R-Meets-Elizabeth-Warren-D-in-Mass-Senate-Debate/10737434503-1/

Lowell, Mass.
Monday, October 1, 2012

Democratic Senate Candidate Elizabeth Warren and Republican Senator Scott Brown meet in a debate hosted by the University of Massachusetts at Lowell and WHDH-TV.

A RealClearPolitics average of polls has Warren up 1.4 percent, and most recent polls show this race as a tossup between the candidates.

Sen. Brown was elected in 2010 to fill the seat vacated by Sen. Edward Kennedy when he died.




alwayssummer -> RE: Sen. Scott Brown (R) Meets Elizabeth Warren (D) in Mass. Senate Debate (10/1/2012 8:57:13 PM)

I've been a huge fan of Eliz Warren for years and even a modest contributor to her campaign. So I was excitedly anticipating this debate#2, which I watched livestreamed, and was unabashedly rooting for Warren. So, my views expressed will be obviously skewed in her direction.

I was really upset to tune in and find David Gregory "moderating" this debate. He is a very aggressive Republican, his Sunday morning show statistically heavily favors Republican male talking points and heads and beltway/bubble nonsense. Overall Gregory did not moderate but framed and controlled this debate, as if it were his own "Meet the Press", shortchanged Warren in equal time, even frequently tried to interrupt ( i.e.end) her thoughtful replies. It was painful to watch. If I were a Mass voter I would feel cheated indeed that this journalistic carpetbagger so emphatically inserted himself and his Beltway ideology into the debate for a Massachusetts Senate seat.

So Gregory was a major handicap to this even being a forum for debate and exchange of ideas. Supporting the supposed panacea of Bipartisanship and The Catfood Commission(B-S) are not the benchmarks for judging suitability for Senatorial election...these are Beltway myths. The obligation of Democratic candidates is 1) to defend the perpetuity of medicare, social security and medicaid against lock step ALEC/KOCH/ROVE/Norquist water carriers who now never compromise their decades old obsession to destroy these programs 2) to take a hefty scalpel to the DOD and now Homeland Security budget whales 3) to make sure that citizens' Constitutional rights like the right to choose, to vote, to privacy, to equal opportunity, and now to affordable health care are protected by Supreme Court appointments 4) to protect the environment and the planet and 5)to pass fair tax policy and grow employment. The current Congress, including Scott Brown, stand for none of these principles so they all need to be replaced. Despite all of Brown's whimping, he is not a Democrat and does not espouse or protect any of these defining ideals.

I was hoping this debate would get deeper into the meat of these issues instead of rehashing/wasting time on the personal garbage Gregory was intent on rehashing and Brown was happy to
keep on embarrassing himself over/diminishing his likeability advantage. I was hoping that Warren would have also questioned Brown's work as a "small bank real estate attorney"...not in reality the small time, folksy guy he pretends. Instead Brown really has some issues to answer for in working as a legal "closer" for the parent company of LPS, one of the worst offenders in the foreclosure fraud industry.

A recent informative article about Brown's association with foreclosure fraud, Mike Lux,"Dumb Idea-Put the Guys Who Caused the Problem in Charge" Huffington Post, Sept 28 2012.

I also wish Warren would define factually a few of Brown's misleading terms. He has in both debates referred to studies by The US Chamber of Commerce and The NFIB to support his own
stubbornness to preserve tax cuts for the top 2%. Both of these agencies are mouthpieces for Corporate interests (ALEC/KOCH/ROVE/Wall Street) only. They do not represent the interests of either small business or small businesspeople...they were created and operate only to further the opinions and priorities of their own self-aggrandisement. Finally Warren needs to emphasize that Brown and the Republicans perpetual canard about "protecting small businesses" is really about only protecting "vampire squid" level, taxpayer subsidized corps. Small businesses, of less than 50 employees, which is really the definition of small business, would be effected less than 3% by raising taxes on income over 250,000 or by Obamacare.

Brown's low point was obviously the "I'm not one of your students" remark tonight. Warren's did ok but she should have been given equal time. Her high point probably her funny response to Gregory insipid ? asking her to explain why there has never been a woman senator from Ma...as if that's even a legitimate question. She made it lemonade with her "I don't know.... but I'm trying to change that."

BTW I just watched right after another live stream (on ESPN website) of the Va Congressional District 7 debate tonight with Eric Cantor against a really strong opponent.
That Moderator, a local(!) Chamber of Commerce Member and unlike Gregory a nonegotist, was really good. and resulted in an highly informative and entertaining debate to watch.










joether -> RE: Sen. Scott Brown (R) Meets Elizabeth Warren (D) in Mass. Senate Debate (10/2/2012 2:48:34 AM)

You seriously expect a Republican to be honest, honorable, decent, truthful, and wise? There is a reason people dont go around saying "I'm proud to be an American' these days. Many of the mail and phone calls from the 'Sen. Scott Brown' camp have tried to portray him as an Independent, NOT, as a Republican. Which by itself, is a total lie. An if he's willing to lie to get re-elected, he'll lie while in office; just like his current track record.

Warren for Congress!




kalikshama -> RE: Sen. Scott Brown (R) Meets Elizabeth Warren (D) in Mass. Senate Debate (10/2/2012 6:22:41 AM)

quote:

I was hoping that Warren would have also questioned Brown's work as a "small bank real estate attorney"...not in reality the small time, folksy guy he pretends. Instead Brown really has some issues to answer for in working as a legal "closer" for the parent company of LPS, one of the worst offenders in the foreclosure fraud industry.


Sounded like Brown has just released his client list and Warren has not yet had a chance to dig into it.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1061164616&srvc=rss

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Here's more on Fidelity National and LPS:

http://www.creditslips.org/creditslips/2012/09/did-scott-brown-facilitate-predatory-loans.html

...It's not clear exactly what Brown was doing for these clients--title work sounds innocent and boring enough, and Brown certainly isn't responsible for all of his clients' misdeeds. But at the very least, Brown's association raises a host of questions. Who were those "mortgage companies" that he worked for? It's nice that Brown named a bunch of local banks, but I wonder what lies under the "mortgage company" label? What did Scott Brown understand about the mortgage market he was facilitating? Did he recognize that there was a bubble? (He was a town property assessor at one point, so one would think he'd notice this sort of thing.) If not, what does that say? And if so, what does that say? How many predatory loans did Scott Brown facilitate? How many of the loans where he handled the closing resulted in foreclosure? What would he say to those families that lost their homes to predatory loans? ...




alwayssummer -> RE: Sen. Scott Brown (R) Meets Elizabeth Warren (D) in Mass. Senate Debate (10/2/2012 8:08:42 AM)

Totally agree on all points...

And Brown's not alone with this faux independent act. My local Congressman - Bilbray- has voted straight Rep Study Committee for years. He's trying to slime through this time by calling himself independent, bipartisan; it's the new Republican reelection gambit.





alwayssummer -> RE: Sen. Scott Brown (R) Meets Elizabeth Warren (D) in Mass. Senate Debate (10/2/2012 8:27:49 AM)

Thanks, yes, you're right that she probably hasn't gathered enough facts yet. And Gregory gave her scant opportunity to open that box anyway.

But Brown's connex to those mortgage fraudsters is now out there, and Brown's going to be called on it. If not by Warren in the next debate, certainly Charles Pierce locally is going to be repeatedly demanding some answers from "Senator McDreamy."





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