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RE: ten units - 10/3/2012 10:41:45 AM   
RumpusParable


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Status: offline 		I much like them, but only have used them a teensy bit as a top with them... Mostly I use mine (one of the larger plug-in models that has 6 or 8 pads, can't remember,it's been a while) for the relaxing factor. It's very nice and comfortable when you want it to be.

As others said, it can vary Grealty in effect based on how you use one.

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RE: ten units - 10/3/2012 1:32:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love mine and have had the same on comming up 20 yrs. Thats back when they made them to last! On certain high setting it will drop you to the floor. tsk tsk.

If your going to use them, I would encourage you at some point beforehand to go to an event and take a class before hand to learn some saftey rules. Don`t just start playing with one and especially don`t be placing them ABOVE your waist unless your with someone very experienced!

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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 2:39:48 PM   
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This is a misconception about the TENS unit


Below from My TENS units manual

"Stimulation should not be applied transthoracically in that the
introduction of electrical current into the heart may cause
cardiac arrhythmias"

But then again it also says not to direct current through the testicles as well.

Butch

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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 2:41:59 PM   
ChatteParfaitt


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Status: offline 		My tens is so strong you cannot apply it to the neck. It can cause the neck muscles to spasm enough to close your throat. As in, stop breathing.

I most definitely would not use it in the chest area.

As with any electrical toy, go slow and try not to be stupid.



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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 5:45:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I must be an anomaly then, because I had this very same discussion with a young lady some time ago about TENS units (she had the same fears). So I placed pads on my own chest to prove my point. Now, since I am obviously not dead now, all that happened was the pads stimulated the pectoralis muscle like it was supposed to. And yes I did this on my right side, above the heart for added effect. I did not put one on my front and one on my back but would do so happily if that proof was needed as well. Granted I am in good health, no heart condition, but like I said know what you are doing and there should be no concerns with safety

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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 5:50:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		What about all tens units are not created equal don't you understand?

What about everyone's heart health is not equal don't you understand?

It would seem you don't get both those statements. However, if you wish to play around with the potential for heart attacks in your partners, please by all means have at it.




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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 6:06:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

What about all tens units are not created equal don't you understand?

What about everyone's heart health is not equal don't you understand?

It would seem you don't get both those statements. However, if you wish to play around with the potential for heart attacks in your partners, please by all means have at it.






That is why I say know what you are doing. I do not suggest you go out, buy a TENS unit, find some random person off the street and use it. But to say that any and all use above the waist is dangerous is simply a false statement. I personally have two devices and have tested both, but I am the kind of person who likes to believe in the facts. As I said, I could find no evidence of a TENS related injury or death, anywhere. I could however find more than enough evidence that it was safe to use, including using it on myself. That was enough for me. I am not out to change anyone's minds, I can see just how hard that is. I am just putting out the alternate point of view so that those looking to get into these things can do so with all the information

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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 6:34:45 PM   
ChatteParfaitt


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Status: offline 		I use mine above the waist all the time, on my back and on my shoulders. And I have a newer model (less than a year old) that is quite powerful.

I have seen people pull out units so old that they literally would not cause a heart attack in a mouse, even if you tossed in some water for the shock value.

But I don't use mine on the chest, or on the throat. It is strong enough to cause muscle spasm in those areas.

That you did not give yourself a heart attack is great. Ending your post with "know what you are doing" is quite ingenious when no matter what you do, if you used my unit around the heart, it would spasm and could likely cause a heart attack.

I tend to err on the side of safety, and when giving advice on these boards, doubly so.


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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 6:51:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I use mine above the waist all the time, on my back and on my shoulders. And I have a newer model (less than a year old) that is quite powerful.

I have seen people pull out units so old that they literally would not cause a heart attack in a mouse, even if you tossed in some water for the shock value.

But I don't use mine on the chest, or on the throat. It is strong enough to cause muscle spasm in those areas.

That you did not give yourself a heart attack is great. Ending your post with "know what you are doing" is quite ingenious when no matter what you do, if you used my unit around the heart, it would spasm and could likely cause a heart attack.

I tend to err on the side of safety, and when giving advice on these boards, doubly so.




I don't mean to ask this facetiously because I don't know you, but do you know how a TENS unit works? Granted, the older models would be a cause for concern because they did not have regulated outputs or built in safety features.

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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 7:10:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are attempting to continue this argument by being patronizing. Sorry, I'm not interested in a pissing contest with you or anyone else. If you need to be right, great. Go be right with an electric impulse device, that's a wise choice. I'm done.

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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 7:15:44 PM   
Darkfeather


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Status: offline 		and how was I being patronizing? if anything I said I was trying not to be

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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 7:33:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to admit I would not let someone use a tens unit on my chest. I have done things with Masters in the past that I wasn't sure was safe, and after research (not just asking people on an internet forum) I came to the conclusion that it was safe, and so participated. But there is a difference between evidence of safety and lack of evidence of harm. I would have to find considerable evidence that it was done, regularly, with safety, in multiple and variable situations - for instance in someone with compromised fitness and heart health, such as my own. My heart is in pretty good shape for the shape I'm in, but the shape I'm in sucks. So I'd have to see evidence that it was used on less than fit people, preferably in both clinical and home settings, before I'd go along with it. Seeing you do it to yourself would not have convinced me.



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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 8:00:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know what to tell you. I am the kind of person that has to know everything about something before I will use it. Not just how to use it safely. So I can tell you how a TENS unit works, how it effects the body, everything. But everything I have been saying is readily and easily found information, I even linked to the FDA conclusion in this thread. So I'll just leave it at this, and go back to playing my game.

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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 8:20:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's more danger from a stun gun or cattle prod than from a TENS Unit. I've yet to hear of anyone dying from a TENS being used anywhere at all on the body but I've heard of lots of deaths from stun guns but yet we never ever hear about the warnings with stun guns like we do with TENS Units lol. I would suspect that if the FDA says they are safe anywhere then they most likely are...unless like anything, you are not healthy.

Hell, I was just reading a site where women use it with helping them to lactate and no, not in the kinky fashion.



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RE: TENS units - 10/3/2012 11:16:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Despite the usual uneducated warnings of dire outcomes with TENS units, the total death count for the planet seems to be . . . zero. I invite the usual Google check for an actual data by a responsible source. The FDA and OSHA don't even have a category for injuries from TENS. (World famous NYC heart surgeons didn't even know a TENS was reputed to be dangerous. NO experience in their practice of any issues.)
The actual warnings are to Not connect the device to or near a pacemaker wire that penetrates the chest to the heart nerve center that controls the heart contractions. (Duh!) As a TENS at max output is abut the same current a pacemaker or Also it is recommended not to place the electrodes over the Carotid arteries (one on each side of the neck, feeding the brain.) as muscle spasms in the artery Could lower blood flow to the brain enough for unconsciousness to result. And a general caution on placing electrodes on the temples, 'just because'. That's IT. The safety of the device seems proven by the total lack of 'bad outcomes' with MILLIONS of uses every day for generations now, placed about every conceivable place on the body. That so many will believe warnings with no basis in physiology or electrical current behavior is just one more indictment of either the US educational system or the general distaste for research and understanding.
If it will cause major muscle contractions or spasms, it isn't a TENS unit, it is an electro stim designed for the purpose and considerably different current output. Curious people should research the NUMBERS of the voltages and amps delivered by the different electrical devices and then learn what those terms and numbers mean when applied to human bodies.
I've never seen a TENS that didn't have a 'volume' control and I've never seen anyone who couldn't start at the low end and after awhile slowly turn the dial to max with no discomfort. Nerve accommodation to any constant stimulus is universal and the max TENS output is far below what normal nerves can get used to in a short time. Too short, for many electro-players and therapy uses?
The biggest issue with TENS sensations is that many people have emotional barriers about shocks and aren't even close to being in present time when experiencing them. The solution is to start at the low end of the dial and work to a minimally sensible sensation, let the nerves accommodate to that so it becomes imperceptible and slowly increase the power again to just sensible. This process gets Boring and the reactions in terms of past experience fade and the actual sensation becomes accessible. Which is not to say it will be enjoyable. Each of us reacts individually to many sensations. TENS stim can be unpleasant or boring most places but erotic at one or a few primary or secondary sexual areas. What works for one person may be quite distasteful or 'meh' to others. Just Like All Toys. Some find it interesting erotic torture even if not liked. YMMV.
Heart defibrillators which actually do deliver significant current to the heart to affect heart contractions or rhythms start off over 1000 times as strong as a maxed out TENS unit and don't have short wave pules, but a far longer continuous current (Second or more) to enable the current to penetrate the chest wall and actually affect the heart nerves. These often produce skin burns if the current has to go to max to stun the heart nerves to reset the heart rhythms. Normally a modern 'intelligent' defib starts the first pulse much lower, the second about the middle of it's range and only maxes out if the heart is still beating in a disorganized manner.
A pacemaker uses similar current (~ 100milliamps, or .1 Amp) to a TENS but has a wire delivering the power directly to the nerve center of the heart, the TENS current from the skin has only a minuscule fraction of it's power reach anywhere near the heart and is a very interrupted current, a totally different delivery profile than defibrillators.
If you don't like a TENS, Don't play with one! But telling people they are dangerous is simply wrong. At some point lack of evidence for risk is evidence there is no risk. This happened decades ago with TENS units. You don't even have to know much about electricity to figure a small 9 volt battery can't really do much to you at a continuous output.

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RE: TENS units - 10/6/2012 10:51:11 AM   
YN


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Status: offline 		Having had a medical one used on me years ago on a regular basis in a clinical setting to stimulate/exercise an arm that had severe nerve damage (in common with ice waters for durations of ~45 minutes at a time) as well as being in an occupation where electric shocks were an occupational hazard I dd not initially regard them as fun.

However my wench obtained one for shoulder pain and we started playing with it. Now it is used both recreational and therapeutically, and being at one time an electronic technician, I built a breakout box with the ability to hook it to about anything. (A charged Wirtenberg wheel is interesting, feels like a little chainsaw.) She has accumulated a variety of "erotic" attachments she likes used upon her.

We have an "Intelect" dual channel unit. We avoid running it through the central chest area or on the head, but otherwise anything goes, and I also use it on my back occasionally. I inspected the unit to see what it was electronically when she got the unit, and am confident that only small insects should fear the apparatus.

As the devices are designed to strictly and carefully limit the current I can see little danger from them.

Those who play with cattle prods and such may have more to fear.

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