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PeonForHer -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/2/2012 3:29:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir Excommunication is not a trifling matter, though. It's as trifling as you want it to be. All it could mean is that you no longer deal with the usual warehouseman. Instead, you now deal directly with the Manufacturer. The Catholic Church really doesn't want to get into passing out too many excommunications - it'll only hasten its own death that way.

kalikshama -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/2/2012 4:53:14 PM)
List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church This is a list of some of the more notable people excommunicated by the Catholic Church. It includes only excommunications acknowledged or imposed by a decree of the Pope or a bishop in communion with him. Automatic excommunications are not included here if not confirmed by a bishop.

farglebargle -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/2/2012 5:00:12 PM)
I'm pretty sure our legal system doesn't recognize excommunication as anything more than some religious right which has no place in discussions of public policy. What's going on here is that "Churches" think that they can operate COMMERCIAL ENTITIES and get away with not following the rules every other COMMERCIAL ENTITY has to comply with. If you don't want to pay employee benefits, don't hire employees. Easy Peasy.

kalikshama -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/2/2012 5:12:06 PM)
quote: If you don't want to pay employee benefits, don't hire employees. Easy Peasy. Ya, when I was a volunteer living at an ashram they could do things like require daily attendance at meditation and forbid cooking meat in the kitchen.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/2/2012 6:14:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl LOL When she can explain why people should follow a religion that holds such events as the Joust of the Whores then she can have my attention on excommunication. http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Alexander_VI http://gawker.com/5539334/joust-of-the-whores-the-worst-popes-in-history Okay, another thing I wasn't aware of - I mean I knew some of the Popes had bad reputations, but still.... Although, I have to admit, sounds like a fun idea for a play party - Joust of the Whores....yes... This must partially explain why the few of my Dominants who I have adored the most were all, yes, Catholic....lol...well, extremely lapsed Catholics...[:D]

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/2/2012 6:30:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church This is a list of some of the more notable people excommunicated by the Catholic Church. It includes only excommunications acknowledged or imposed by a decree of the Pope or a bishop in communion with him. Automatic excommunications are not included here if not confirmed by a bishop. Kali, can the Catholic Church excommunicate people who are not Catholic (?) I ask only because Elizabeth I is listed in the above list, and I would have thought she was baptized under the Church of England after her father split from the Church in order to divorce his ex-wife and marry Elizabeth's mother, Anne Boleyn. Anyway, just curious....

DomKen -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/2/2012 6:40:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church This is a list of some of the more notable people excommunicated by the Catholic Church. It includes only excommunications acknowledged or imposed by a decree of the Pope or a bishop in communion with him. Automatic excommunications are not included here if not confirmed by a bishop. Kali, can the Catholic Church excommunicate people who are not Catholic (?) I ask only because Elizabeth I is listed in the above list, and I would have thought she was baptized under the Church of England after her father split from the Church in order to divorce his ex-wife and marry Elizabeth's mother, Anne Boleyn. Anyway, just curious.... Queen Mary had returned the English monarchy to Catholism so Elizabeth was technically subject to the pope.

PeonForHer -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/2/2012 6:54:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama This is a list of some of the more notable people excommunicated by the Catholic Church. It includes only excommunications acknowledged or imposed by a decree of the Pope or a bishop in communion with him. Automatic excommunications are not included here if not confirmed by a bishop. I hope all those people felt duly ashamed. However, me, I know I'd never be accepted into the loving and Godly embrace of the Catholic church in the first place - I've never once fondled an underaged child, much less fiddled with and rogered a whole bunch of them over many years, as seems to be the requirement to make it to the upper levels of that most holy of institutions.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/3/2012 6:23:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church This is a list of some of the more notable people excommunicated by the Catholic Church. It includes only excommunications acknowledged or imposed by a decree of the Pope or a bishop in communion with him. Automatic excommunications are not included here if not confirmed by a bishop. Kali, can the Catholic Church excommunicate people who are not Catholic (?) I ask only because Elizabeth I is listed in the above list, and I would have thought she was baptized under the Church of England after her father split from the Church in order to divorce his ex-wife and marry Elizabeth's mother, Anne Boleyn. Anyway, just curious.... Queen Mary had returned the English monarchy to Catholism so Elizabeth was technically subject to the pope. But Elizabeth was never baptized in the Catholic Church - she was baptized in the Church of England. And in 1570, when Elizabeth was excommunicated, the official church in the country was the Church of England. Does this mean that when Queen Mary returned the English monarchy to Catholicism that everyone who had previously been baptized under the Church of England was automatically considered to have been baptized in the Catholic Church?? I didn't think baptism worked this way. I would have thought that you would have to be baptized in the Catholic Church to be considered Catholic. Anyway, still seems weird to me.

mnottertail -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/3/2012 6:52:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl LOL When she can explain why people should follow a religion that holds such events as the Joust of the Whores then she can have my attention on excommunication. Für Mann; selbstverständlich, oder?

graceadieu -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/4/2012 5:57:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama CatholicView: Fr Bloom, do you believe that Catholics will, should they die and are using birth control other than NFP, lose their immortal souls? Fr Bloom: If they are doing so knowingly and deliberately, yes. Of course, no matter what the weaknesses and compromises, one should always pray for the grace of final repentance – both for one’s own self and others. Wow. He really just told a reporter that 90% of American Catholics are going to burn in hell?

graceadieu -> RE: Judge upholds birth control rules (10/4/2012 6:05:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: searching4mysir Excommunication is not a trifling matter, though. Then choose not to use birth control. The government's responsibility in protecting freedom of religion means that nobody can stuff a birth control pill in your mouth and force you to take it, and also that nobody can prohibit you from taking birth control against your will. The government's responsibility does not include keeping people from getting kicked out of their religious organization because of their free choices.

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