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Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 2:20:12 PM   
patrick15sub


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I have gotten few response s from my polite, vanilla flavoured messages to dominant women here on Collarme. I accept that I am a dime a dozen, and that female occupants of any dating website are flooded with mail. I was wondering if you kind, or possibly harsh, Mistresses would be so nice as to review my profile. If this is an unnatural request or you are not interested in doing so, I apologize.

The responses I have gotten have all been one or two word answers like Tribute or seemingly scam behaviour. While I do not disagree with anyone trying to make a buck, it is not exactly what I am here for. I am wondering if anyone is actually on here to meet people.

I apologize if I sound dejected, but I feel like I may be in a minority here.
Thank you in advance for any insight.
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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 2:23:25 PM   
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Please understand that I am saying this with the very best intentions for you.

IF, all of the replies you are getting are about sending someone money, then you need to look at what all of the profiles you are emailing have in common.

If I were to guess......they all have photos of hot chicks in the age range of 18 - 35ish. And whatever text there is on the profile, is verbage geared towards your best wet dreams.


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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 2:31:56 PM   
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The one thing I would say off the bat is that the profile doesn't really tell me anything about you as a person. I'm not saying it's terrible or anything (trust me, we've all seen FAR worse) but I don't get any kind of sense of who you are outside of your kink interests. To me, and I would venture to guess a lot of women, personality matters. Judging by your pictures you're in very good shape and that's awesome, but if you have zero personality, no sense of humor, don't have interests outside of the bedroom etc there aren't many women who are going to be interested.

So, in short, try rounding out your profile a little bit and tell us what else you're into. Do you like music? Do you like to work on cars? Do you like poetry? Do you like to dress up like a monkey and run amok in the produce section of the grocery store? Remember, even though this is a kink related site things still ultimately boil down to finding compatibility for more than just playtime. Give us a fuller picture of you as a human being, not just a guy into bdsm.

Best of luck!

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 2:45:26 PM   
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I agree with LittleMsMary. Flesh it out more, mostly with tidbits about yourself as a person. I would probably contact you if I was in your area because of your joke about the Oxford comma, because I'm a nerd that way and it made me smile. Add more to your profile to show your sense of humor more.

Some of the things I might ask men if I'm talking to them here (because they usually don't include such things in their profiles) are: What do you do for fun outside of BDSM? What are you passionate about? What kinds of hobbies do you have? Do you like to do anything physical on a regular basis (e.g. hiking, biking, swimming, jogging)? Do you like to read, and if so, what genres/authors are your favorites? What's a typical day like for you? How do you relax after a hard day of work? Use some of those as a jumping off point for adding more about you to your profile. You might also spend some time thinking about how your friends and family would describe you, beyond the generic "intelligent, funny, blah blah blah"--get into some of the details about what makes you intelligent or funny.

LaTigresse also has a good point about the messages you send out. Would you mind posting a typical message here, to see if there's something about the way you're constructing it that might be contributing to the lack of positive responses?

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 2:55:30 PM   
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The one small part of your profile that stood out was the bit about using Oxford commas.. it made me smile and I got the wee little glimpse of your humor. More of that stuff, less of the generic stuff. The profile, as others have said isn't bad.. but it's just mediocre and nothing actually memorable in it. It's not a profile I would go back to at some later point. Make it memorable but keep it 'you'. I'm guessing that the 'you' stuff would be way more interesting.

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 2:57:15 PM   
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He mentions the Oxford comma? BONUS POINTS.

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 4:44:35 PM   
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Thank you all for the kind expenditure of your time. I have since amended my profile and will probably edit it again when I am not at work :).
I appreciate it very much, and I will post a sample message that would be indicative of a "normal message".

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 7:30:22 PM   
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Patrick,

I think you're off to a great start, with your profile biography. While noting your kink interests, you've led with who you are, not the kink. This speaks well of your intelligence, maturity, and sincerity. You share some key elements of your personal makeup, in your "bio." This helps Ladies, who may be interested, determine if you have common interests.

I believe that you are fairly realistic and know your "dream Domme," like my "One true and perfect slave," doesn't, actually, exist and that you will have to settle for a human being, instead. However, it may help you to clarify some of the traits you seek, in a Domina. Are age, race, physical appearance, et cetera, important to you? Are you seeking someone who shares your interest in snuggling down to a good (or bad) SF film or show? Need a Whovianne or a Galactifan?

Oh, I'm too tired for any real cohesiveness, tonight. I'm sure I have more. But, these are some things you could consider.

Bon nuit et bon chance!

QR

PS - Oxford Comma. So tired, I thought you were talking about the song, for a mo.


http://www.myspace.com/vampireweekend/music/songs/oxford-comma-1526647


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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 9:21:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: QueenRah

Patrick,

I think you're off to a great start, with your profile biography. While noting your kink interests, you've led with who you are, not the kink. This speaks well of your intelligence, maturity, and sincerity. You share some key elements of your personal makeup, in your "bio." This helps Ladies, who may be interested, determine if you have common interests.

I believe that you are fairly realistic and know your "dream Domme," like my "One true and perfect slave," doesn't, actually, exist and that you will have to settle for a human being, instead. However, it may help you to clarify some of the traits you seek, in a Domina. Are age, race, physical appearance, et cetera, important to you? Are you seeking someone who shares your interest in snuggling down to a good (or bad) SF film or show? Need a Whovianne or a Galactifan?

Oh, I'm too tired for any real cohesiveness, tonight. I'm sure I have more. But, these are some things you could consider.

Bon nuit et bon chance!

QR

PS - Oxford Comma. So tired, I thought you were talking about the song, for a mo.


http://www.myspace.com/vampireweekend/music/songs/oxford-comma-1526647



Would it be too much to ask for a cylon with two hearts? :) VW isn't really my scene lol, but I see what you're saying. I should just put that I want to marry River Tamm and see what comes back, because anyone that knows what I'm talking about just went up about 4 points in my book, and I am keeping score!
Thanks for the insight, I'll be sure to adjust for a section of what I'm looking for.
Insomniac Pat out.

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 9:51:52 PM   
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This thread has Oxford commas (the grammatical device), Oxford Comma (the song by Vampire Weekend, which has been rolling around in my head since OCs were mentioned in this thread earlier tonight), and now a Firefly reference? I really could not geek out any harder if I tried.

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/3/2012 10:20:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Please understand that I am saying this with the very best intentions for you.

IF, all of the replies you are getting are about sending someone money, then you need to look at what all of the profiles you are emailing have in common.

If I were to guess......they all have photos of hot chicks in the age range of 18 - 35ish. And whatever text there is on the profile, is verbage geared towards your best wet dreams.




This ^
Since there didn't seem to be anything in particular wrong about your profile, maybe it's the kind of people you're trying to reach.

Actually, how many women you messaged even looked at your profile? Because that could indicate an issue with your initial message. We like "normal vanilla", yes, but we also look for ones that show they've read our profiles/journals/stalked us on forums and are able to make us feel like you're interested in us for reasons beyond "female, lists as Dom, possibly has pulse, might indulge my kinks". Since that doesn't sound like the kind of guy you are, you just need to make your contact messages more engaging.

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/4/2012 6:16:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DNAHelicase

...[redacted]
LaTigresse also has a good point about the messages you send out. Would you mind posting a typical message here, to see if there's something about the way you're constructing it that might be contributing to the lack of positive responses?


Hello [name redacted],
i stumbled upon Your profile and saw that we are into some of the same things, vanilla and otherwise. Do You practice yoga in the city? i used to go to pure east. I hope You're having a wonderful week.
-a sub named Patrick.

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/4/2012 7:10:40 AM   
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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/4/2012 7:32:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

River Tam is my inner child! (River Song is my outer one...)


Please stop before I'm head over heels haha...

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/4/2012 10:48:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: patrick15sub

Hello [name redacted],
i stumbled upon Your profile and saw that we are into some of the same things, vanilla and otherwise. Do You practice yoga in the city? i used to go to pure east. I hope You're having a wonderful week.
-a sub named Patrick.


Quick answer: that's a decent message, and if you were local and sent me that message I would take a look at your profile and then respond politely. I tend to be a lot nicer about responding to messages (as long as they're polite) and more forgiving about generic messages than many women I know, though.

Longer, nitpickier answer: It could be longer and more in depth. Women get a LOT of one line messages from men who are just fishing for replies. The men who do that generally make their messages generic because they copy and paste, so yours is a little bit better than that (mentioning a specific thing that she likes--yoga). But even so, it still reads like a generic C&P message that the sender (you) just tweaked slightly after scanning a profile for a grand total of a minute for something to lift and insert into the message before sending it.

So here's the cost benefit analysis you need to consider. You can certainly send more messages with less investment if you keep them short. More messages means you might get more replies (not necessarily though, as women who have been on sites like this for a while tend to just trash the one liners). On the other hand, you can put a good bit of time into each message you write, tailoring it very specifically to the individual recipient, but you still run the risk of not getting a reply or a no thanks. For myself, when I message people I base my decision to send a long or short message on the individual person's profile. If a person has a thoughtful, well-written, interesting profile, I send him or her a thoughtful, detailed message, mentioning several things from the profile that I find interesting and asking questions that follow naturally from those subjects. If a person has a short, generic profile, then I send a short, mostly generic message although I do try to tailor it at least somewhat if I can.

Generally speaking, I've found that the people who have filled out profiles with lots of info about them (not just their kinks) and who can write well are more inclined to respond favorably to polite, well written messages you might send, even if it's to say "no thank you but we can chat as friends if you'd like." If you're contacting people who have nearly empty profiles, very little about them other than the things that make them wet, or a profile full of pictures with little text--those types are probably going to be the ones who ask you for tribute or don't respond at all. If memory serves, I saw you start another thread asking about the best way to meet people and you were directed towards in person events/fetlife. Considering your location, that might be far more fruitful than collarme for you. I imagine there's a decent sized pool of people who are seeking partners in your area. Online is not impossible, but it is less likely to work for a variety of reasons--not the least of them being that it's just so much easier to strike up a conversation and connect to somebody in person than it is online. Meeting people at munches means you also don't have to worry about people who have no intention of ever moving it to a face to face meeting, a common problem here.

Please take what I'm saying with a grain of salt! I'm not trying to pick on you or be overly critical. I'm just trying to offer some advice that might be helpful to you. As it is now, the above message is not bad at all. I'm sure you know, though, that being a male sub means you have to sell yourself extra hard to get noticed favorably by a domme. Hopefully this will help. Good luck!

P.S. Sorry if this is a bit ramble-y. I haven't gotten much sleep this week.

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/4/2012 11:32:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DNAHelicase

quote:

ORIGINAL: patrick15sub

Hello [name redacted],
i stumbled upon Your profile and saw that we are into some of the same things, vanilla and otherwise. Do You practice yoga in the city? i used to go to pure east. I hope You're having a wonderful week.
-a sub named Patrick.


Quick answer: that's a decent message, and if you were local and sent me that message I would take a look at your profile and then respond politely. I tend to be a lot nicer about responding to messages (as long as they're polite) and more forgiving about generic messages than many women I know, though.

Longer, nitpickier answer: It could be longer and more in depth. Women get a LOT of one line messages from men who are just fishing for replies. The men who do that generally make their messages generic because they copy and paste, so yours is a little bit better than that (mentioning a specific thing that she likes--yoga). But even so, it still reads like a generic C&P message that the sender (you) just tweaked slightly after scanning a profile for a grand total of a minute for something to lift and insert into the message before sending it.

So here's the cost benefit analysis you need to consider. You can certainly send more messages with less investment if you keep them short. More messages means you might get more replies (not necessarily though, as women who have been on sites like this for a while tend to just trash the one liners). On the other hand, you can put a good bit of time into each message you write, tailoring it very specifically to the individual recipient, but you still run the risk of not getting a reply or a no thanks. For myself, when I message people I base my decision to send a long or short message on the individual person's profile. If a person has a thoughtful, well-written, interesting profile, I send him or her a thoughtful, detailed message, mentioning several things from the profile that I find interesting and asking questions that follow naturally from those subjects. If a person has a short, generic profile, then I send a short, mostly generic message although I do try to tailor it at least somewhat if I can.

Generally speaking, I've found that the people who have filled out profiles with lots of info about them (not just their kinks) and who can write well are more inclined to respond favorably to polite, well written messages you might send, even if it's to say "no thank you but we can chat as friends if you'd like." If you're contacting people who have nearly empty profiles, very little about them other than the things that make them wet, or a profile full of pictures with little text--those types are probably going to be the ones who ask you for tribute or don't respond at all. If memory serves, I saw you start another thread asking about the best way to meet people and you were directed towards in person events/fetlife. Considering your location, that might be far more fruitful than collarme for you. I imagine there's a decent sized pool of people who are seeking partners in your area. Online is not impossible, but it is less likely to work for a variety of reasons--not the least of them being that it's just so much easier to strike up a conversation and connect to somebody in person than it is online. Meeting people at munches means you also don't have to worry about people who have no intention of ever moving it to a face to face meeting, a common problem here.

Please take what I'm saying with a grain of salt! I'm not trying to pick on you or be overly critical. I'm just trying to offer some advice that might be helpful to you. As it is now, the above message is not bad at all. I'm sure you know, though, that being a male sub means you have to sell yourself extra hard to get noticed favorably by a domme. Hopefully this will help. Good luck!

P.S. Sorry if this is a bit ramble-y. I haven't gotten much sleep this week.



Rambly is good, it's more material :)

I am attending a local munch tomorrow based on the answers I received in the other thread, but I learned in math class that there are multiple solutions to a given problem. I would just like to keep myself open and out there as I would like to find the right woman. I think that the age range thst I am searching for may be part of the problem in my case 20-35. This subset is probably populated more by e-Dommes and Pro-Dommes. I will be on the lookout for more detailed profiles in the future. I had not thought of it as you have described, though it seems like the type of thing I would overlook (in terms of phrasing and less descriptive profiles being non-lifestyle or nonactive).

I haven't gotten much either so I understand perfectly, also excuse my poorly formed sentences.

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/4/2012 11:39:15 AM   
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You live on STATEN ISLAND!! True story: for actual DECADES I had no idea that people lived on Staten Island! I figured it was a park not a actual BOROUGH!! Makes one of my NJ colleagues laugh to this day.

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/4/2012 11:45:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

You live on STATEN ISLAND!! True story: for actual DECADES I had no idea that people lived on Staten Island! I figured it was a park not a actual BOROUGH!! Makes one of my NJ colleagues laugh to this day.


I wasn't born and raised in a very rural community, so I'm a farmer boy at heart, no twang though :/

I do not fit in with most Jersey Shore (tv) types here though..

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/4/2012 12:13:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: patrick15sub

Hello [name redacted],
i stumbled upon Your profile and saw that we are into some of the same things, vanilla and otherwise. Do You practice yoga in the city? i used to go to pure east. I hope You're having a wonderful week.
-a sub named Patrick.


I would read this message, maybe peek at your profile if I have time, then delete or leave it unanswered because I can't find anything to say to it. It is nice, but not engaging. It sound like you opened my profile, peeked at my interest list, picked something at random and sent me one out of maybe a dozen hopeful messages you'd sent out today.

Quick cheat, read her journals, if she has any. Write at least 2 paragraphs (even if one of them is only one sentence long). Ask more vanilla questions. A message with upwards of 2 vanilla questions will usually do the trick of compelling a body to at least try and answer it. Even better if the questions are close to her heart. Preferably, draw whatever interest you want to talk about form the text in her profile. It doesn't hurt to talk about her pics either, if there's anything cool and polite to talk about.

I personally hate the "saw that we are into some of the same things" line, vanilla or otherwise. So what? It's such a tired line and usually it's meant that they've glanced at the interest list and skimmed past it and think they know me inside and out, which, if the ladies you talk to are anything like me, really rubs me wrong. Are we into the same things? Then start a conversation with me about it that shows you're into the same thing.

But women in your age range, you're right, that's a tough job. You'll likely have more luck on fetlife or in real life at events and munches. Good luck!

Also, check the most recent activity on her profile ;)

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RE: Mistresses, a favor if you please. - 10/4/2012 3:40:03 PM   
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. . .

Wash: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
Zoe: We live in a spaceship, dear.

Actually, this was a FR, to the SF geekiness zeitgeist. Even though we've gotten spacy-wacy, timey-wimey and have flung ourselves deep into the human past (BG) and about 500 years into the future, we're not really talking about time, are we?



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