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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 11:57:39 AM   
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For reference, next time someone tells you their spouse/gf is ok with it, request to meet the woman. In person. Without him around. 9 out of 10 will disappear because the spouse/gf doesn't know.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 12:45:49 PM   
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Right now, hundreds of guys cheating on their wives are grateful that there are women out there who are willing to believe the 'open marriage' line, rather than verify with the wife to see if it's the truth.

Yes, gentlemen, gullible women are still out there. Hope is still alive for those of you doing things behind your wife's back.


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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 12:48:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alecta

For reference, next time someone tells you their spouse/gf is ok with it, request to meet the woman. In person. Without him around. 9 out of 10 will disappear because the spouse/gf doesn't know.



Yep. I am perfectly willing to play with married men UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS. I haven't met a wife yet.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 1:01:46 PM   
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I have a rule against married men. No matter the circumstances - it isn't going to happen. It seems like too much could go wrong with that situation, and I will not be the other woman. Blech,

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 1:04:09 PM   
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I have a rule against married men. No matter the circumstances - it isn't going to happen. It seems like too much could go wrong with that situation, and I will not be the other woman. Blech,



I can dig that. But so many men come here saying they want a dominant and their wife isn't, I am willing to deal with someone married. When I hear HER limits. Hib is no one's dirty secret.

And shoot, if they don't go home with marks, I haven't had enough fun.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 1:21:19 PM   
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Whether or not he is lying to his spouse, to be honest, is not really my problem. Sure it's be great to believe otherwise but it's not in my interest or responsibility to have a meeting with his wife. To him, they keep their separate lives separate and that's enough for me. But yes, probably not a good idea even if considering how hard it would be if you ended up with feelings knowing they already had a primary relationship.


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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 1:24:31 PM   
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Oy. If he is lying to his wife he is lying to you. I wouldn't trust my safety and well- being to a dishonest cad.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 1:25:05 PM   
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I just find it impossible to trust a man who's lying to another woman that's all. Once you start, there's no stopping. If he's lying to his spouse there's no guarantee h's not lying to me.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 1:31:36 PM   
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You are a highly attractive young lady in the prime of your life, so I seriously ask you to consider why you are chasing after romantic a/o sexual partners.

That you are doing so tells me you have self esteem issues at the very least. Your thread and subsequent posts speak of a neediness that gets frenetic when someone doesn't respond to a message within a short time frame, a selfishness that doesn't care if someone has a spouse, as long as you don't develop feelings that get hurt.

Please do your utmost to address these issues before continuing to pursue any sort of romantic or sexual relationship. Your future partners will thank me.


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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 1:35:18 PM   
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I'm wondering about your decision making process here. It's good that you seem to have identified what you are comfortable with, but I'm curious as to why that seems like you're comfortable with anything. You seem ok with any type of situation, and seem like you'll take just about anyone as long as they beat you and have sex with you. You seem inordinately rushed to get naked with someone, anyone, and don't care much how it happens. To each their own. I'm not pointing fingers or calling it wrong, it just seems rather odd.

You're right, the guy's relationship with his wife is not your concern in many ways, however there is one big thing that you don't seem to be seeing. You may be engaging in activities which put you at risk, wouldn't you like to trust the person you're with? He is inherently untrustworthy if he's been lying to you. I find myself that lies and the subsequent risk to myself are incompatible, of course that is JMO.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 1:37:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: anam2x

Whether or not he is lying to his spouse, to be honest, is not really my problem. Sure it's be great to believe otherwise but it's not in my interest or responsibility to have a meeting with his wife. To him, they keep their separate lives separate and that's enough for me. But yes, probably not a good idea even if considering how hard it would be if you ended up with feelings knowing they already had a primary relationship.




You say in your profile you like bondage and pain. You are literally putting your life into someone else's hands when you engage in BDSM. Why the hell would you do that with someone that has already proven that they can't be trusted?

They're lying to the most important person in their life.....and you rank far below that person, which means they won't hesitate to lie to you too.


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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 2:40:57 PM   
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You all raise some incredibly interesting points here. I'm unsure why this situation doesn't make more sense to me. I acknowledge that even sitting with him while he listed off numerous extreme activities while I nodded yes was rather bizarre. Choke me until I pass out , anal (which I've done but found rather painful- he says it doesn't hurt if done right). He pinched me hard on my arm and explained that was a 2 in order of pain he needs to inflict to get off. Yikes- why was I so spellbound who knows. I even agreed to our ffirst session that never was at his place. Like my sister once said, 'you're that girl that gets found in a trash bin'. I suppose I am going about this rather desperately.

Thanks to the poster who commented above re my looks- thank you so much . I don't know why I fall into that desire to please and enjoy the red flags so much. I don't know why I'm chasing this. I can't explained why he appealed to me so incredibly. Funny too bc the first guy who I found out lied to me online, also threw red flags but I didn't care for whatever reason. Hm, maybe time to seek deep inside for the lingering issues.

Curiously, I will ask - based on this knowledge is it possible I'm not authentically a sub? I wonder though if there are ppl who use this lifestyle for other purposes, or to mask other issues. Just a thought.

Thanks again for this feedback. Obviously I can't talk about it to friends so it helps to have feedback.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 2:47:52 PM   
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No, all this says is you're not thinking your decisions through in regards to meeting someone. Smacks to me of sub frenzy.

Yes, there are those who use "the lifestyle" as an excuse. A lot of men use it as a ruse to get women to perform sexual favours for them without actually knowing the first thing about BDSM. A lot of people use it as a background for scams. The people who fall for those are usually ones so desperate to belong to that subset they're just not thinking, or getting the right information, and a small percentage of the group are people who get off on being scammed.

Educate yourself through the community, not one or two people who are only comfortable if they are the only ones speaking to you online.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 3:11:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: anam2x

You all raise some incredibly interesting points here. I'm unsure why this situation doesn't make more sense to me. I acknowledge that even sitting with him while he listed off numerous extreme activities while I nodded yes was rather bizarre. Choke me until I pass out , anal (which I've done but found rather painful- he says it doesn't hurt if done right). He pinched me hard on my arm and explained that was a 2 in order of pain he needs to inflict to get off. Yikes- why was I so spellbound who knows. I even agreed to our ffirst session that never was at his place. Like my sister once said, 'you're that girl that gets found in a trash bin'. I suppose I am going about this rather desperately.

Thanks to the poster who commented above re my looks- thank you so much . I don't know why I fall into that desire to please and enjoy the red flags so much. I don't know why I'm chasing this. I can't explained why he appealed to me so incredibly. Funny too bc the first guy who I found out lied to me online, also threw red flags but I didn't care for whatever reason. Hm, maybe time to seek deep inside for the lingering issues.

Curiously, I will ask - based on this knowledge is it possible I'm not authentically a sub? I wonder though if there are ppl who use this lifestyle for other purposes, or to mask other issues. Just a thought.

Thanks again for this feedback. Obviously I can't talk about it to friends so it helps to have feedback.



I'm glad some of this is making you think, we've all been in times and places where we don't avail ourselves of our best thinking to put it lightly. I've done stupid things. I'm glad I took the time to learn from them so I don't do them again- it might not turn out ok next time.

I've given this speech before, but you are in control of your life and your experiences. You are an adult. If you refuse to watch out for yourself then why would someone else? If you value yourself so little so as to take on a married liar (said the wife knew but isn't available), who seems to lead a life of casual sex (the ongoing testing), and says he will do things to you that are very dangerous and you don't know him yet from a hole in the wall...if you value yourself that little why would someone else look at you as something of value? Who the hell knows if this guy had any of the experience he claimed to have to you, and you were going to just let him do it. Wtf?

Honestly, until you've figured out why you are so desperate as to throw yourself into risky situations and activities I'd take a step back and try to figure it out. If you think professional help would be indicated then get it. Once again, you are the one in control of your life.

You obviously don't get that you are the desired commodity on sites like this. You're a woman, you're lovely, and you're young. There is going to be a line of men miles long for you. Choose well, be picky, you can afford to be. There are many many more men here than women, and you are the thing they all want. Even an old bat like me gets mail constantly. Believe me, you can slow down and be choosy.

Take a step back and put in some time to figure out what you are looking for. Write it down. When someone doesn't seem to meet those criteria and it's not likely they ever will...move on. There will be someone else and he's probably already in line. Don't put yourself in the position of wanting to say yes. I have to do this myself. I'm a people pleaser. I have set rules for myself like no talking about sex or kink beyond generalities, if that, when I don't fucking know you. I find that it's generally well received by the men I've been in contact with when I was looking. If I value myself, so do they.

I set up boundaries for myself knowing that if I don't, I'll fall into wanting to please that person, THAT I DON'T KNOW YET. Once I let someone cross over a boundary, then it happens easier the next time and they think themselves that they have a green light. So I arrange things in a manner that makes me watch out for myself. If anyone pushes for something I'm not willing to fork over, I tell them that at that stage I am safeguarding my value for my future owner. I would not sit there and let someone talk about explicit sexual things with me on a first meeting, pinch me, bite me, etc. Fuck that. I'm not that worthless, I don't exist to get him off. I would however talk about general things and make it a short meeting in a public place that I leave from alone. For God's sake when you're with a stranger at least stop with the casual touching - pinching, biting, etc. You seem like anyone's meat. Maybe that's why he hasn't been back, who knows.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 3:28:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lizi

Honestly, until you've figured out why you are so desperate as to throw yourself into risky situations and activities I'd take a step back and try to figure it out.
I think you need to also figure out what you want. Not in the issue of BDSM, but as in WHO the person is that you'd like to be with. Set up some detailed boundaries and stick with themIf you think professional help would be indicated then get it. Once again, you are the one in control of your life.

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You obviously don't get that you are the desired commodity on sites like this. You're a woman, you're lovely, and you're young. There is going to be a line of men miles long for you. Choose well, be picky, you can afford to be. There are many many more men here than women, and you are the thing they all want. Even an old bat like me gets mail constantly. Believe me, you can slow down and be choosy.
These are wise words.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 7:01:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus


quote:

ORIGINAL: BouncyBoo

I have a rule against married men. No matter the circumstances - it isn't going to happen. It seems like too much could go wrong with that situation, and I will not be the other woman. Blech,



I can dig that. But so many men come here saying they want a dominant and their wife isn't, I am willing to deal with someone married. When I hear HER limits. Hib is no one's dirty secret.

And shoot, if they don't go home with marks, I haven't had enough fun.


Yeah, I've been in the reverse situation, playing with a dominant guy that was married to a dominant woman, so obviously she couldn't meet his kink needs. But they were poly and comfortable enough with it that we'd play at their place when she was home. I could see myself doing that again, but I wouldn't be somebody's secret either.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 7:46:43 PM   
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OP, I do not mean to presume this is the case with you, but it might be worthy of consideration. Understand I speak ONLY from my own personal experience.

It is not uncommon for a woman, who if in her formative years, lacked receiving enough unconditional positive feedback, attention, nurturing, soothing, appreciation and support, to not even realize she is empty and lacking in these experiences. That alone may leave her dangerously hungry. If that is also coupled with any sort of significant abuse, neglect or abandonment, whether of an emotional, mental, physical, spiritual and/or sexual nature, it may leave one with a very poor sense of a self, and/or boundary issues.

If these issues are not recognized, addressed and resolved, one may end up literally starving, and allowing, for ANY kind of attention or touch, either safe/healthy or not safe/unhealthy, especially if it triggers one's sensuality/sexuality. One may be so doped up by the pleasant chemicals suddenly swirling in their brain/body, and so hypnotized/mesmerized/intoxicated by it's effect, they may not realize they are not in their "right mind," and unwittingly put themselves in dangerous/risky situations. Those chemicals are POWERFUL drugs, and can cause SUB FRENZY, which feels SO bloody good, that given full rein, they can completely knock out your common sense, and sense of safety and self-preservation. Add a dose of innocence and/or naivete to the mix, and it can become life threatening cocktail, in more ways than one.

If one doesn't already know what healthy boundaries are, it is incumbent upon them, for their own health and safety, to learn what they are, and practice them religiously. It truly is a jungle out there, especially in the BDSM world, and the weak/uninformed/inexperienced will be regularly and quickly preyed upon.

You are a delightful gal, and no one wants this to happen to you. Please take advantage of the vast wisdom available here. This is the PERFECT place to come and ask these generous people for advice, suggestions and instructions, before you commit to doing things, if you are not sure. Please do yourself this favor.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 9:03:39 PM   
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All of your advice and suggestions are wonderful and I wouldn't even know where to begin with all the incredibly valid points brought up. Lizi & Dusky, your words have especially shaken me (in a good way). You seem like some very well rounded and aware people. The funny thing is that I get all of it. I may come across naive, but I consider myself relatively intelligent which is why these actions and thoughts are even more puzzling to me. I never heard of the term Sub Frenzy, but my goodness when I googled that it was as though someone peeked into my head and coined the term based on my thoughts alone. That is just about what I am experiencing - or think I am experiencing. I think it began more recently with the first fellow who I stumbled upon giving me my first taste of BDSM.

As mentioned, I discovered that after our first phone chat things didn't add up and through a quick trace- discovered he was polar opposite of the person he claimed to be. I think it was this very thing that threw me into 'frenzy' mode. I was so dissapointed that I only had a peek into the world I desired (a 4 hour phone peek) that I felt every hope crashing down. I almost felt a physical pain, if that makes sense. So of course I searched for something to replace that loss - enter this recent man who, for sake of what we pretty much assume, is also a liar (though I hate to presume every man who loses interest is lying as he may have genuinely lost interest, sensed my 'frenzy'). So now I feel the profound loss again. Where it originates from it would be a long and boring history :)

The only recent thing was a break up from an ironically controlling man (normal vanilla relationship). Otherwise childhood issues that every therapist has tried to point to sex abuse, though I did not suffer any and had a wonderful family life. I was however, a late bloomer, had incredibly low self image as a child and teen - teased for being ugly, etc. Typical story - ugly duckling blossoms into a woman and gains male attention denied in younger years, girls goes crazy with attention craved as a young adult but never got. etc. So nothiing extraordinary, but certainly worth an inner peek.

Anyhow, I will say that all of your words have really made me feel incredibly better and put this recent situation into perspective. It's amazing how you can let one perfect stranger hold your self image and feeling in the palm of their hand, one stranger who by many accounts, was not even extrordinary in many ways - just seemed to spellbind me. His reiteration of his own confidence and greatness through our chat probably helped to manipulate me into feeling less then. Have to be sharper and stronger next time as if someone ever told me they were going to meet someone from the internet at their house for a second date who promised severe abuse and had a penchant for knocking people unconcious, I would think them perfectly insane.

Thanks again, you are all quite brilliant and beautiful. I live a very vanilla life in a very vanilla circle so this would not have been advice I would have been able to seek in that circle. *hugs* xo

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 9:47:21 PM   
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Anam, I do not know if this is your situation, but I know when I encounter one (especially a male) that is confident and assertive (my polar opposite), it can have astounding effects on me. Those are traits I admire and mostly lack. I find when exposed to such a personality, it strongly triggers my submissiveness. What I must learn, is to be quite discerning as to whether the person's nature and intent is positive and honorable, which requires my mental processes of inquiry and discrimination to function. I find that difficult to do when my "feelings" are so strongly triggered. Feelings are NOT facts, dear one, and are capable of leading us far astray from what is for our highest good.

Make no mistake, one can be both intelligent and naive. They are not mutually exclusive traits. There's a world of difference between intellectual and emotional/social smarts/maturity.

If one is too "needy" for validation or stimulation from sources outside themselves, they will likely find frequent disappointment when others fail to meet their expectations/perceived needs and/or desires. That you went into a disappointment "frenzy," as you call it, indicates you may have put too much stock in what you thought the other should have provided you with = unmet expectations. Only by changing, or completely relieving yourself of expectations, can you free yourself from that kind of suffering.

Word to the wise. As many others here have said before, and far better than I, NEVER put the BDSM stuff in front of the vanilla stuff. That's like waving a red flag in the face of a very horny bull, and they will charge it. Backburner the BDSM stuff, and go VERY, VERY slow even with the vanilla stuff. Respect yourself enough to not give yourself away cheaply, and thoroughly and repeatedly "vet" the person you're making inquiry of, and put them through their paces, time and again, until they have proved to be sound, and worthy of you.

One of the downsides of online communications is it allows for, and too easily fosters, a false intimacy, which can easily go too far, too fast. Many in the "lifestyle" have become very adept at manipulating others by telling them what they want to hear, and/or by hiding their true selves. Some people can be far too easily swayed by certain words, phrases or concepts that may unconsciously trigger one right into a trance, without them even realizing it. As I mentioned before, it can be downright mesmerizing, which can be dangerous when one is in the hands of the unsafe/untrustworthy.

You say you "get it," and are puzzled by your reactions. That may be because you get it on an intellectual level, but it was your feelings and hormones/chemicals triggered, and those are two separate things. When you learn to give your thoughts and discernment more power and permission to direct your life, rather than your feelings, you may find it holds you in better stead, hopefully at least until you can find the "one" that deserves them both, and who will do right by you.


Edited to add one more thing. NO true, honorable gentleman, worth his salt, would EVER do what that fellow did to you, right out of the starting gate, and certainly not before you were in a committed relationship. That was SO stunningly wrong, I'm overwhelmed with disgust for him, and heartache for you. He put his selfish sexual needs and desires before your entire health and well-being, and with no thought or concern for the subsequent effects it might have on you. That makes him a careless, thoughtless, selfish buffoon, seemingly lacking any conscience. No matter how easy and good that may have felt to you, that is entirely inappropriate, and goes way beyond the pale. Rein in that loose horse, dear girl, before it gets you in a horse wreck. You're far too valuable, and deserve far better, than to go that route.

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RE: My Domme Cancelled - Did I Do Something? - 10/4/2012 9:58:03 PM   
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Incredibly wise words. Confidence is an enormous turn on. I hope you've found your dominant dusky because you are certainly a prize. Thank you.

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