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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/13/2006 8:02:01 PM

DigitBox

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ORIGINAL: SlavesServeHer

Is there any way you can understand a slave is not a switch? It happened to me and did not know how to cope with it cause he was also a lover.

What like a switch detector?

Unfortunately no you have to ask them if they like to change things up either regularily or from time to time.

Plus those of us who are switch and know it will declare it upfront.

< Message edited by DigitBox -- 6/13/2006 8:03:12 PM >

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/13/2006 8:02:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW
Well thats why they call it a forum. I have my opinion and you have yours

And I could say that fat people aren't slaves because slaves keep their bodies in proper weight proportion.

That doesn't make my opinion worth anything or have any substance or validity to it.

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/13/2006 8:23:34 PM

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Like i said i wasn't answering this for you. since you so immature to bring fat into it that just proves how mature you are. I am answering a forum. Just a clue its not all about you. Try experincing a life outside of online.

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/13/2006 8:29:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW
Like i said i wasn't answering this for you. since you so immature to bring fat into it that just proves how mature you are. I am answering a forum.

So it's ok for you to make a completely baseless generalization about the nature of slaves and switches, but it's immature for me to make a completely baseless generalization about the nature of slaves and fat people? (And BTW I'm a fat person)

My point was that we can all make baseless generalizations until we're blue in the face. Yours is no more justified than mine was. No, you don't have to justify or explain anything. But if you want people to take you seriously on a discussion forum, it's good to be able to try and explain the reasoning behind your sweeping generalizations.

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Just a clue its not all about you. Try experincing a life outside of online.

Oh dear...you really are making some very inaccurate baseless assumptions here. When you try and couple that with making some stinging remark, it really doesn't work out well.

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/13/2006 8:47:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

Like i said i wasn't answering this for you. since you so immature to bring fat into it that just proves how mature you are. I am answering a forum. Just a clue its not all about you. Try experincing a life outside of online.

I don't think the fat issue was meant to be an attack, but merely an analogy of a false and baseless statement. It has nothing to do with maturity. Perhaps, since you are fat, and apparently sensitive about it, LA should have used a different analogy.
Perhaps she should have said "all nurses are touchy". *shrug*

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/13/2006 8:50:06 PM

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a switch will want to walk side by side her master. a submissive will want to walk slightly behind master/mistress. a dominant will always walk in front as the pack leader.

The only corrective behavior is to make the switch carry a large water bottle. by giving her a task to perform she'll quickly fall behind the dominant into her proper role. lol

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/13/2006 11:44:17 PM

Sensualips

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a true slave doesnt switch.thats what that has to do with that. otherwise it souls be a switch. duh!

because i am entitled to my opinion and I dont have to answer to you.

that just proves how mature you are. I am answering a forum. Just a clue its not all about you.

While I am pleased with this lesson in maturity, I am still confused.

If a true slave doesn't switch, does a true submissive? What about a true dominant? I would think a TRUE switch would be truly submissive/slavey and truly dominant. And if a slave "won't try to top from the bottom," does that mean anyone who tops from the bottom is a switch?

It is late and I am trying to follow along.

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 1:05:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW
Like i said i wasn't answering this for you. since you so immature to bring fat into it that just proves how mature you are. I am answering a forum. Just a clue its not all about you. Try experincing a life outside of online.

I don't think the fat issue was meant to be an attack, but merely an analogy of a false and baseless statement. It has nothing to do with maturity. Perhaps, since you are fat, and apparently sensitive about it, LA should have used a different analogy.
Perhaps she should have said "all nurses are touchy". *shrug*

All of this just made me laugh...
Think I'm in a silly mood.

Oh shoot forgot to reply to the OP:

quote:

How can you be sure a slave is not a switch??

You can't, unless he/she tells you. Some slaves are not willing/able to play/be in other roles, and some are. It behooves you to speak openly with the person you ask about, learn his/her desires in terms of relationship goals/authority imbalance, and check them against your own. Have to tell you though that your question is too vague. M

< Message edited by BlkTallFullfig -- 6/14/2006 1:10:40 AM >

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 1:27:45 AM

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greeting to all

First i find if you ask they will tell the truth.
I have find when i do ask they will say yes or no.
This is where trust comes in i never had a submissive
lie to me, and also you can tell as you began to speak with
them the writing or how they speak will show what they are thinking
and saying. Many people i find will try to hide what they truly are. But
as you speak to them they will always slip up and say or make a gesture that
show a dominant side. ex when you speak with them about their submissive things
they like they may all of the sudden say i did not write the other day to punish you.
that is strange. so good luck?

best wishes

mons/jane

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 8:35:11 AM

Proprietrix

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ORIGINAL: SlavesServeHer
Is there any way you can understand a slave is not a switch? It happened to me and did not know how to cope with it cause he was also a lover.

Why did you need to cope?
Finding out that someone likes to Switch isn’t a trauma or a crisis.
It’s just learning something more about that person’s needs/wants/desires.

And don’t assume that the person was lying. Maybe they really were a slave and they are discovering themselves that they have Switch tendencies. Maybe they really are a slave to you but might have the desire to Top/Dominate someone else.

I wrote an article a few years back on the fear of label changes. To sum it up in 1 sentence:
"Be secure in yourself and flexible with others."

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 9:17:16 AM

IronBear

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Looking at this from a Gorean perspective, the first girl in a houme or house is firstly a slave and may be an alpha slave at that. The Gorean slaves' first duty and reason for their being is to please the Free. Howver I digress, the fg, when there are opther slaves in the home, will often be responsible for much of the general training under the overview of the Master or Mistress of slaver or simply the Master of the home. The fg has charge of not just training but will oft supervise the daily running of chores and other domestic duties as allocated to her supervision by the Master or Mistress. She (the fg) will often have disclipinary powers and authority over other slaves and can use the quirt ot whip when needed. It is customery that she be refered to as Mistress when the Forr are not present.... Thus in this specific format, there are switching aspects permissable depending on individual definitions os what a switch is...

EDITED TO ADD:

If I collar a girl who has been switching and who has a slave of her own, that slave becomes my property too. But I may, if I so wish, place the girl I originally collared over the one who was her slave which keeps their relationship in a similar format as it was. This is not written in stone and will depend on my view of things and personalities as well as the opening for a fg in HIB....It is earned not gifted...

< Message edited by IronBear -- 6/14/2006 9:20:36 AM >

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 9:27:35 AM

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Should my little one wish to switch I don't see any problems with it. She still belongs to me, her switching would have no bearing on that. As it is she plays an excellent evil side kick helping me when we play with others.

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 9:30:56 AM

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A slave does whatever his/her owner tells him/her to do/be. If I say your bottoming tonight, he bottoms and doesn't question me, if I say your flogging me tonight, he does it and doesn't bat an eyelash.

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 9:32:34 AM

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theRose4U,

Yes that's what exactly happened. We're a man "dominated" socialwise community. First father then husband/lover/partner whoever that person is. They love the idea of being a slave and serving but at some point they want to be at the top because of the way they were brought up, society and genes. :)

For him to be at the bottom all the time and serve as a slave all the time, I have had to be extremely hursh, beating him up every day for hours and personally I do not think that is what being a Domme means. I believe BDSM is power exchange not a tool of torture to a slave. Moreover depriviation (not sure of spelling) is much more effective than beating bondaging waxing or spanking a slave. He wanted to be punished and to be hurt if I gave him what he wanted by giving physical pain then he would have been at the top lol.
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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 9:33:06 AM

IronBear

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G'day Lashera,

How about you and yours visit us and than if you want a good flogging I can do that whilst Neets whallops your slave too??????

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 9:35:52 AM

RavenMuse

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ORIGINAL: SlavesServeHer
Is there any way you can understand a slave is not a switch? It happened to me and did not know how to cope with it cause he was also a lover.

So long as she knows from the start that I don't switch then frankly it isn't a problem. She submits to me, she is mine, my girl, my slave..... if she has a need to express a Dominant side to her nature then I have no problem with her having a pet of her own (With my permission) but if she tries pushing to bring that side out with me then we are not going to be compatable.

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 9:37:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

G'day Lashera,

How about you and yours visit us and than if you want a good flogging I can do that whilst Neets whallops your slave too??????

I have a better idea, how about if I dress you in some hawt lingerie, give you a good flogging followed by some strapon fun while Neets gets her toes sucked by my sub in his brand new frenchmaids outfit?

Never been to Aussieland, I think its to hot/humid for me there at least thats what my friend in Sydney tells me. I'm a cold weather appreciating kinda woman.

~Lashra

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 9:41:16 AM

SlavesServeHer

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Blk,

I was trying to find out what other people think lived or experienced. It was a complicated situation. I'm over with it and do not want to go through same things.

Yes I've have had asked him but becasue of the reasons (at the reply I wrote to theRose4U) he or other slaves are not honest. :)

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 10:04:26 AM

IronBear

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

G'day Lashera,

How about you and yours visit us and than if you want a good flogging I can do that whilst Neets whallops your slave too??????

I have a better idea, how about if I dress you in some hawt lingerie, give you a good flogging followed by some strapon fun while Neets gets her toes sucked by my sub in his brand new frenchmaids outfit?

Never been to Aussieland, I think its to hot/humid for me there at least thats what my friend in Sydney tells me. I'm a cold weather appreciating kinda woman.

~Lashra

It gets pretty hot her in SE Queensland Lass, Sheesh its sitting on 14 degrees celcius and I vave a jscket and a heater on to keep warm.... Neets'd love her part.. Guess i'd have to head off on a collaring raid at the mall and bring home half a dozed delectable and tasty pieces of female flesh as well as a copuple of boys so we could have a week long party and break out the new floggers I'm finishing.... Strewth, I may even test out my new chain mail armour I'm building too...... I figure if I can wield a flogger in eithet hand wearing the armour, then I can wield either sword, axe or mace in SCA combat then.....

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RE: How can you be sure a slave is not a switch?? - 6/14/2006 2:48:01 PM

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I've read some posts where there is all the "true" this, that, and the other thing. Or he's not a true what ever, or she's not a true what ever. It seems to me that one thing is almost quite common; people using this adjative "true" seem to be inclined to have limited perspectives on what others should be conforming to inorder to claim a certain title.

Am I a true sadist because I like to beat the snot out of willing masochistic men? Or am I not a true sadist because I refuse to do the samething to persons of my gender? We change as we grow through life. Does that mean someday I'll become a pain loving masochist or worst a man loving nympho? God I hope not. LOL

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