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If you're a Jew, and you do all the Jew things Jews do to go to Heaven... You're going to be in Heaven when you die, so Mormons baptizing you after you die is more like having a cheerleading section in the afterlife than persecution.

because youre an idiot?

listen, they arent saying 'go on to your jewish heaven' they are saying 'you MUST now go to my MORMON heaven and are never ever allowed into the heaven you want to go to'

does that seem fair? if i tell you 'well i know you saved up all your money for that new tesla car but i traded it in for a bike'

So, you think I'm an idiot, but your argument is that Yahweh is really just a big pussy sort of deity, who can't protect the souls of dead Jews from being kidnapped and forced into Mormon Heaven.

Well, that's an interesting argument, but probably not a very effective one. I certainly wouldn't call it a smart argument if you're trying to be "pro-Jew", and I certainly don't think it's the sort of argument an actual thinking person might use if they're trying to be taken seriously...

-SD-

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Know who else had a lot of ceremonies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilXVkgmJk2E

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I just checked....she didn't die in the Holocaust.

Your claim was that they stopped doing it completely in 1995. Clearly that was incorrect.

My claim was that according to an article (on the internet) they stopped doing that for Holocaust victims.

I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.

Ergo, it might be true, it might be pure fantasy.

Famed Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal in 1983. Last month, a member of the Mormon church posthumously baptized Wiesenthal's parents, a practice offensive to many Jews (Horst Tappe, Hulton Archive / Getty Images)

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hes also gotten on the 'all homosexuals should die' wagon

Lord knows, as do veteran posters, that I'm no Romney fan, but I find this hard to credit without a source.

He donates huge sums to the LDS Church which is a major funder of anti gay movements here and abroad. That includes Africa where they have definitely given money in support of groups advocating killing gays.

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Dave, what you are missing here is that Jews were persecuted by Christians for about 1800 years in a misconceived attempt to get them to convert. The Holocaust was a culmination of 18 centuries of persecution. Mormon posthumous baptism (conversion) of Shoah victims is a renewal of that persecution. Hardly a gift of eternal happiness.

I realize that it's a good excuse for libs to take up arms against Christians, but that's a load of bullshit.

If you're a Jew, and you do all the Jew things Jews do to go to Heaven... You're going to be in Heaven when you die, so Mormons baptizing you after you die is more like having a cheerleading section in the afterlife than persecution.

If you're a Jew and you don't do the things Jews do to go to Heaven, you won't be in Heaven when you die. In that case, being baptized when you die is closer to having a character witness in court because the Mormons are essentially saying "God, I understand that this person fucked up while he was alive, but I think you should give him a second chance and allow him to come to Heaven."

By all means, explain how either of those concepts are even remotely related to being imprisoned, tortured, and tossed in a furnace by someone believes you're less than human. That should be a pretty entertaining stretch of the imagination...

-SD-

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The student should be made to wear an Obama tee for one week.

Why?

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Master Dinnardin is Jewish... he cant even discuss this without getting upset. To say he finds it offensive is... umm... putting it mildly.

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If you're a Jew, and you do all the Jew things Jews do to go to Heaven... You're going to be in Heaven when you die, so Mormons baptizing you after you die is more like having a cheerleading section in the afterlife than persecution.

If you're a Jew and you don't do the things Jews do to go to Heaven, you won't be in Heaven when you die.

Errrr, small problem here. Jews don't believe in Heaven...or in Hell.
That's Christian stuff

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Sad when that has to go in the will.

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If you're a Jew, and you do all the Jew things Jews do to go to Heaven... You're going to be in Heaven when you die, so Mormons baptizing you after you die is more like having a cheerleading section in the afterlife than persecution.

because youre an idiot?

listen, they arent saying 'go on to your jewish heaven' they are saying 'you MUST now go to my MORMON heaven and are never ever allowed into the heaven you want to go to'

does that seem fair? if i tell you 'well i know you saved up all your money for that new tesla car but i traded it in for a bike'

So, you think I'm an idiot, but your argument is that Yahweh is really just a big pussy sort of deity, who can't protect the souls of dead Jews from being kidnapped and forced into Mormon Heaven.

Well, that's an interesting argument, but probably not a very effective one. I certainly wouldn't call it a smart argument if you're trying to be "pro-Jew", and I certainly don't think it's the sort of argument an actual thinking person might use if they're trying to be taken seriously...

-SD-

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If you're a Jew, and you do all the Jew things Jews do to go to Heaven... You're going to be in Heaven when you die, so Mormons baptizing you after you die is more like having a cheerleading section in the afterlife than persecution.

If you're a Jew and you don't do the things Jews do to go to Heaven, you won't be in Heaven when you die.

Errrr, small problem here. Jews don't believe in Heaven...or in Hell.
That's Christian stuff

"Tehiyat Hameitim: Resurrection of the Dead

More developed concepts of the resurrection of the dead and afterlife seem to have entered Judaism under Hellenistic influence after the Torah was completed. It became one of the fundamental beliefs in rabbinic Judaism, the intellectual successors of the Pharisees. The Sadduccees, familiar to New Testament readers as those who denied the resurrection, were an exception. As seen above, the resurrection of the dead is one of Maimonides' "13 Articles of Belief," and the frequently-recited Shemoneh Esrei prayer contains several references to the resurrection.

How this resurrection might occur has been a matter of speculation. Rabbi Hiyya ben Joseph suggested that "the dead will come up through the ground and rise up in Jerusalem... and the righteous will rise up fully clothed" (Babylonian Talmud, tractate Ketubot 111b). Saadia ben Yosef al-Fayyumi (892-942 C.E.), the head of the academy of Sura, offered this explanation:

Even fire, which causes things to be burned so quickly, merely effects the separation of the parts of a thing...causing the dust part to return to ashes....It does not however, bring about the annihilation of anything. Nor is it conceivable that anyone should have the power to annihilate anything to the point where it would vanish completely except its Creator, who produced it out of nothing.

Since then the matter can be thus explained, in view of the fact that none of the constituent parts of the human being who has been devoured could have been annihilated, they must all have been set aside, wheresoever they may have taken up, whether it be on land or sea, until such time as they are restored in their entirety. Nor would such restoration be any more remarkable than their original creation.

Today, most traditional Jewish movements accept the concept of the resurrection of the dead. A notable exception is Reform Judaism, which official rejects the doctrine."

(Kinda sounds vaguely a bit like what the Mormons believe).

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I'm an atheist and I find this offensive as well. It's forcible conversion in the belief of the people doing it. So I find it just as repugnant as any other forcing of religion upon the unwilling.

First of all, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm really trying to understand why you would find this offensive.

If you don't believe in an afterlife or a soul then baptizing someone into a different faith after they die is an absolutely meaningless act. When it gets down to brass tacks, as an atheist you are fully aware that this is nothing more than someone deciding that his imaginary friend is so superior to someone else's imaginary friend that they pretend that they can give them eternal bliss (or damnation I suppose) when they are no more than rotting meat. It's a childish game.

The act is of no more consequence to someone who doesn't believe in a soul or an afterlife than baptizing a banana, or forgiving a roll of toilet paper for it's sins before you wipe your ass. I would understand ridiculing it for it's obviously childish qualities. I would understand thinking it's funny in a demented sort of way. As I said, I think it's a nice idea in a naive sort of way. But offensive? Really?

-SD-

I care about the intent. The intention is to forcibly convert someone. That they do it to corpses means to me they'd like to be doing it to the living. I find that just as offensive as all other forced conversions and forced worshipping.

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The student should be made to wear an Obama tee for one week.

Why?

Because, haven't you heard, we're not allowed to have our own opinions about politics anymore. We must all support Obama. He is The Chosen One, The Saviour Of All Mankind, The Shining Hope Of Our Future.

Seriously, why not just appoint him King Barack I?

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Well, because I'm a proactive kinda guy, I took this matter into my own hands this morning. Armed with a bowl of common tap water and a Steve Martin and the Steep Canyon Raiders CD, I went to the den and baptized all dead Jews and Mormons into atheism by sprinkling water over copies of "Schindler's List" and "The Ethical Slut" to the tune of "Atheists Don't Have No Songs" while I read selected verses from "Origin of the Species". Now all the "souls" of dead Jews and Mormons have been purged of any fantasies of an afterlife they may have foolishly clung to in life.

Problem solved.

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Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that baptism is a prerequisite for entry into the kingdom of God as stated by Jesus in John 3:5: "Except that a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (KJV).

The LDS Church teaches that performing baptisms for the dead allows this saving ordinance to be offered on behalf of those who have died without accepting or knowing Jesus Christ or his teachings during their mortal lives. It is taught that this is the method by which all who have lived upon the earth will have the opportunity to receive baptism and to thereby enter the Kingdom of God.

The LDS Church teaches that those in the afterlife who have been baptized by proxy are free to accept or reject the ordinance done on their behalf. Baptism on behalf of a deceased individual is not binding if that individual chooses to reject it in the afterlife.

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Its a bit much to consider Romney anti-Semitic because this act is done by some churches within his faith.

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I'm not too familiar with the practice but it is supposed to be a voluntary arrangement, where a choice is made in the afterlife by the person supposedly being baptised