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Darlingriver -> Depression after play (10/10/2012 10:18:31 AM)

I have been depraved from a young age with fetishes that developed, dirty filthy perverted thoughts, and craving to be dominated by an older man, physically and sexually, with a daddy/girl or uncle/niece roleplay being something that interests me a lot.

I was just starting out in my kink journey last year. I attended some munches and some lovely people. Back online though I was contacted by a Dom and we started chatting online. Before I knew it he was suggesting to meet up for play. I thought I was ready, but looking back - no way was I. He moved to fast and I didn't have the sense to slow down.

Looking back, it was a dangerous thing to do because I didn't know him. He was so nice and funny and charming in his messages to me. His profile and online line, he was so funny. He was and still is involved in the community and people liked him and like him. I felt confident with my decision to meet him.

Our meeting and play went very well. I loved what we got up to. I was told to strip. I got my knickers pulled of me. I was groped. I was spanked. I was belted. I was flogged. And I pleasured him.
I loved it.

Afterwards, we parted and said our goodbyes and I thanked him. Back online later that evening I thanked him again. I didn't believe any sort of a relationship was going to delevop between us. For me, it was one night and if it led to more, that would have been nice. If not, I had a beautiful night and a wonderful time.

Back online, about a week later he told me he had a small gift to send me in the mail and he asked my address to send it on to me. This came out of the blue and wasn't expected and although my gut was screaming at me, that it wasn't right, I ignored it thinking that it was irrational and came out from no where. So I thought, what the hell. He was nice when we met and it's only a small gift.

Well I waited for it to arrive but after a fortnight with nothing in the post, I required about it and indeed him, hoping that he was well and all that. In his reply back he gave an excuse for not sending it and I bought that excuse. It was plausible and I was sound with it. But looking back I should have pulled him on it considering he had plenty of time to be online but he never sent me a message to tell me what the situation was. Also he had plenty of time to be online but no time to post his gift. He also provided me with another promise which turns out it was more empty words. He wrote that he will be in my town in a few weeks and that we could meet and that he would love to see me and give it to me then in person. And I was like, yeah sure, that would be great. Give me a bell. But that weekend came upon us and I didn't hear from him, until much later in the weekend after I made contact with him and it was too late for me to change plans. I told him what I was up to but he ignored that message. No response.

I contacted him some time later, and he was cool with me or so he said and I took it that he was still going to send his small, little gift but maybe he was just busy.

Much later, weeks in fact, I was willing to drop the issue of his gift but he made contact looking for another hook up. I would have liked this but to me these were just empty words and he had no intention of following through. And with that I asked him about his gift. He lost it he said. He wasn't even apologetic.

That happens I thought but it would have been more plausible if he used his own initiative to tell me that. I showed my disappointment with it. I thought maybe he would put it right and correct it. He could have found what he had or apologised or asked me how I was or send an apology note in the post or replace it with something else or anything but nothing was coming. Eventually my mood crashed and into a pro-long sub drop I went. I was on a high from the play I experienced and that high was prolonged waiting around for his gift. But it turned out to be nothing. Or was it nothing? Did he lie? It appeared he lied. I sent a message about the sub drop, for his own benefit too, so that he learns from it. He replied saying that he got my message, and that he was busy but he will reply. Showing me that perhaps he cared. I waited. And waited. And waited. It was another expectation for nothing.

I felt so shit and rotten but I still clung onto a little hope that maybe he would yet put it right but nothing came, not even so much as even a message. I eventually blocked him from online but there was still nothing.

My sub drop developed into a depression, my very first spell of depression -environmental depression. Mainly based around this situation. My mind was spiralling out of control, trying to make sense of that and why lie. Did he lie. Never in my life was I ever made to feel like nothing. Did he have a degradation fetish, was something that went through my mind as well. Waiting around for something that was nothing and my craving for more physical domination - like being tied up, spanked, beaten - it also added to my depression.

Time passed and I went in search of some sort of an answers but nothing, and I revolted back at him. Eventually he emailed with an excuse saying that he left back at his holiday home that he hasn't been to in months and has no intention of going there again. Leaving it open, implying that he still has it.

All out of cruelty, badness and selfishness no doubt.

I'm seeking help with my depression but it is still lingering on.

How do I move on from this experience?




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 11:01:55 AM)

It sounds like he didn't think things were as serious as you did. Either that or he just didn't feel that strongly, or got a better offer. Sure the mature thing would be to say 'this isn't going any further' but I do think you are blowing this out of proportion.

So he said he was going to send a gift but never got round to it. Fine, make a mental note that he's not that reliable.

I don't want to tell you not to be depressed because I know that depression doesn't work like that. But I do think you need to talk to someone to get this in perspective. Essentially you hooked up and it turned out to be a one-night stand. It happens to a lot of people. I don't think he was necessarily lying to you, and I doubt his intention was to make you feel like nothing.

I'm sure it's just the way the story is told but to be honest it sounds like he mentioned sending a gift and you just kept asking 'where's my present?' over and over again until he got sick of it.




JanahX -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 11:13:16 AM)

Ummm ... well.... he had his fun, and in his mind, that was that.

youre 28 - and Im surprised you are just now finding out that there are people out there that lie, cheat and steal. - And that they dont care how you feel.
Everyone can say so and so is such an awesome person - but thats theyre view of that person. What counts is your view of that person. I know someone that everyone just FAWNS about = and I know that if they knew this person the way I know them ... maybe they wouldnt think so.

Youre just gonna have to get through it. Time will take the edge off. Life goes on. Youre only 28 - get out there and have fun, and dont let one lame-ass dood spoil your good time in life.




OsideGirl -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 11:26:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JanahX
get out there and have fun, and dont let one lame-ass dood spoil your good time in life.


^^^ This. Plus men outnumber the women....you have a lot of guys to choose from.




Darlingriver -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 11:59:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

It sounds like he didn't think things were as serious as you did. Either that or he just didn't feel that strongly, or got a better offer. Sure the mature thing would be to say 'this isn't going any further' but I do think you are blowing this out of proportion.

So he said he was going to send a gift but never got round to it. Fine, make a mental note that he's not that reliable.

I don't want to tell you not to be depressed because I know that depression doesn't work like that. But I do think you need to talk to someone to get this in perspective. Essentially you hooked up and it turned out to be a one-night stand. It happens to a lot of people. I don't think he was necessarily lying to you, and I doubt his intention was to make you feel like nothing.

I'm sure it's just the way the story is told but to be honest it sounds like he mentioned sending a gift and you just kept asking 'where's my present?' over and over again until he got sick of it.


I didn't think it was serious either. To me, it was one night and if it developed into more like more play, or a friendship - great. if not, I had my fun but nor could I understand what that was with his gift. I was willing to let it slide and brush it off as whatever that was there fizzled out and is well ove and no more. Until he came back for more and he was flaky with that. I asked once about his gift and he made an excuse. I got the message loud and clear right there. But then he came back for more. I don't think it was unreasonable or needy of me at that stage to expect for him to follow his orignal words of sending his gift/rectify what he set. Especially considering that it was so impotant that he told me about his gift to begin with. Why did he mention anything.

quote:

ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

I'm sure it's just the way the story is told but to be honest it sounds like he mentioned sending a gift and you just kept asking 'where's my present?' over and over again until he got sick of it.


Well I explained it above, I asked once and gave him plenty of time and space and getting sick of something is not an excuse.





Darlingriver -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 12:07:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JanahX

Ummm ... well.... he had his fun, and in his mind, that was that.


Well I had my fun too, believe me but I couldn't understand the level that he took it to afterwards.



quote:

ORIGINAL: JanahX

youre 28 - and Im surprised you are just now finding out that there are people out there that lie, cheat and steal. - And that they dont care how you feel.
Everyone can say so and so is such an awesome person - but thats theyre view of that person. What counts is your view of that person. I know someone that everyone just FAWNS about = and I know that if they knew this person the way I know them ... maybe they wouldnt think so.

Youre just gonna have to get through it. Time will take the edge off. Life goes on. Youre only 28 - get out there and have fun, and dont let one lame-ass dood spoil your good time in life.


I'm not finding that out now. Found that out a long time ago. I can spot a player and a messer a mile away and I run fast at first sign but that man fooled me and tricked me with empty promises which hooked me and messed with my head.

time is a great healer.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 12:09:14 PM)

No it's not an excuse, I just wondered why it was that important to you. I can see why you would be annoyed that he is keeping you as an option rather than just saying he isn't interested. But it seems you are very focused on the object itself, instead of just thinking 'he says things he doesn't mean'. What was this gift supposed to be? Was it something you were relying on for some reason?




Darlingriver -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 12:20:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: JanahX
get out there and have fun, and dont let one lame-ass dood spoil your good time in life.


^^^ This. Plus men outnumber the women....you have a lot of guys to choose from.



I want to get better and healthy again before I go near any men. I am getting out there and being busy and having fun and taking up new hobbies and doing a lot that I like and enjoy but I'm keeping away from the scene until I'm better which is not helping with cravings. This situation still sometimes plays of my mind and is killling me.




littlewonder -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 12:29:29 PM)

Dear, that wasn't subdrop, that was disappointment. He is married and lying to you to keep you at his beck and call so that when he wants someone to screw, you're still there...waiting. There never was a gift.

Forget him. Move on.




Darlingriver -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 12:41:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

No it's not an excuse, I just wondered why it was that important to you. I can see why you would be annoyed that he is keeping you as an option rather than just saying he isn't interested. But it seems you are very focused on the object itself, instead of just thinking 'he says things he doesn't mean'. What was this gift supposed to be? Was it something you were relying on for some reason?


I lost any sort of an interest in receivng anything from him but sometimes it plays of my head, I guess the fact it was left open with excuses. To me, it was lies and lies are so hurtful, especially done the way he did it - mess with my head and to keep me waiting for him or hurt me after play. I don't know.




Darlingriver -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 12:51:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Dear, that wasn't subdrop, that was disappointment. He is married and lying to you to keep you at his beck and call so that when he wants someone to screw, you're still there...waiting. There never was a gift.

Forget him. Move on.



I didn't explain the drop I went through. It happened a while back. My mood was falling for a about three weeks or there abouts over the disappointment and waiting for some sort of an explaination or rectification or apology. Then one night, my mood crashed. It absolutely crashed. I was crying and screaming and couldn't breathe properly, my whole body shaking and I kept relating it back to him and to his gift, and had so much running through my head and the craving I had for a spanking and more was unreal. I was a mess for days. I picked myself up for a few days then but unfortunately a depression followed.




tj444 -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 12:51:48 PM)

Imo, he just told you he had a small gift for you to keep you on the line in case the other girls he was trying to bed closer to him didnt work out.. Btw, I would not have given him my home address to send said gift too.. but then i use Post Office boxes for privacy and security reasons.. but maybe ya'll dont have stalkers in AU???

He is a sleeze (like many men are, imo), go find yourself some nicer guys that you get to know better before playing with..

[sm=2cents.gif]




Kana -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 2:22:31 PM)

quote:

I want to get better and healthy again before I go near any men.

Smart gal.

Just remember that because one guy was an ass, we all aren't.




LadyPact -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 2:23:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Dear, that wasn't subdrop, that was disappointment. He is married and lying to you to keep you at his beck and call so that when he wants someone to screw, you're still there...waiting. There never was a gift.

Forget him. Move on.


Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!

OP, don't blame your disappointment on sub drop. Don't blame your depression (about a hit it and quit it, of all things) on sub drop.

I would highly suggest that you continue going to the munches that you were attending. Maybe they have demos and/or discussion groups where you can become educated. If nothing else, maybe you could make some friends to tell your troubles to because anybody who writes that much to say they are feeling down needs an outlet.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darlingriver
I didn't explain the drop I went through. It happened a while back. My mood was falling for a about three weeks or there abouts over the disappointment and waiting for some sort of an explaination or rectification or apology. Then one night, my mood crashed. It absolutely crashed. I was crying and screaming and couldn't breathe properly, my whole body shaking and I kept relating it back to him and to his gift, and had so much running through my head and the craving I had for a spanking and more was unreal. I was a mess for days. I picked myself up for a few days then but unfortunately a depression followed.

That's not what sub drop is.

Sub or top drop is a term specifically related to returning to normal endorphin flow after a higher than normal chemical release during play. It's not something that lasts for weeks, comes from random thoughts, or disappointments.

People who try to pin their normal emotions/depressions/whatever on sub drop show a lack of understanding of the term and the phenomenon. As stated above, you could probably learn more about this from those at your local munch group.




Winterapple -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 3:08:24 PM)

I don't know what you built this gift up in your head to be or what importance you attached to it. My guess is he asked for your address
so that the gift could be him showing up on your doorstep when he passed through your
town and giving you the gift of getting to blow
him again. Personally, I wouldn't have put more
meaning to it than if he'd said I'll call you.
Sometimes people say things that they know
they probably don't mean but they say them
anyway. It's a bit assholish but in the field of
bad and dishonorable behavior rather minor.

You didn't know this guy very well and you'd
never had a bdsm experience. You enjoyed it,
you liked him. You got your hopes up a bit and
he encouraged it a bit with the gift bullshit.
I don't think your reaction had anything to do
with subdrop. I don't think your reaction
is a healthy one. I say that with compassion.
I hope you are seeing a therapist if not I
encourage you to find one. There could be
a host of underlying things that caused you
to react as you did. Depression, anxiety
disorders, bipolar issues, codependency issues,
all sorts of things that shouldn't be ignored.

The only other advice I can give you is you
need to know your partners better before
you become intimate with them. Date them
as you would a vanilla partner.

And also when you're starting out don't
jump into the deep end right off least of
all with a partner you don't know well.
Some activities and experiences stir up
complex and deep emotions. You need
to be prepared for that.
Know your partners and most importantly
know yourself. Give a lot of thought to if you
are mentally and emotionally ready for a
relationship. Can you handle casual play
and sex? Instead of obssessing on why he
behaved as he did I would be asking why I
reacted the way I did.




obis -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 6:37:25 PM)

Unfortunately some people are charming and like to give the impression that there is more substance to their interest than there really is. I once had the experience of a woman talking excitedly about what we'd do the next time we got together, and we'd discuss plans, and then she simply stopped returning calls. My sister had a similar thing happen with a guy she was seeing. There are just people like that in the world, and it has nothing to do with BDSM or anything else. Maybe they are setting out to lead people on, or maybe they just get caught up in the moment and decide on further reflection that it isn't going to work out. There's nothing to gain by trying to figure out the "why", all you can do is take care of yourself, and don't hold it against future partners. The worst outcome would be if it damaged your ability to trust genuine people, because then you'd only be cheating yourself of genuine connections.




littlewonder -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 7:52:23 PM)

Imo it sounds like to me that you are an overly sensitive woman and I'm going to guess you haven't had the best "vanilla" relationships for the same reason; you get connected way too quick even though you say you don't. Your actions and thoughts though show otherwise.

I would say if you are over sensitive, talk to a therapist to try and find why that is and work on rectifying that. Until then I would step away from bdsm and dating in general until you can come to grips with your fears.




kyraofMists -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 9:25:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Darlingriver
How do I move on from this experience?


How to move on? Come to the awareness that you created the issue in your own mind and accept that whatever you are thinking or feeling was self created.

You played with a guy, had a good time and went your separate ways. All the mental anguish afterwards has nothing to do with it. I don't see anything that points to this guy as a player, liar, cheat or any other negative characterization. You have already said you are depressed and in that case your perceptions are skewed. Stop the internal tape and get off that merry go round. If you are clinically depressed and having an enjoyable play creates this downward spiral afterwards, then I suggest not playing until you are in control of your depression instead of it being in control of you.

What I said may seem harsh, but I am speaking from experience. I was diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder, Severe in 2000. I will never be cured but I have been symptom free for over six year snow because I manage my disorder and it doesn't control me.

Knight's Kyra




descrite -> RE: Depression after play (10/10/2012 11:06:46 PM)



darling, I think you were toyed with in the worst way; it's almost like he went through the motions of trying to upset you, purposefully. What kind of a dick would hold out a promise (even of something trivial), and request the trust of a physical address in return?

Even if he never wanted anything more from you, even if he never wanted to extend anything, even if he originally never had anything to send you, once he knew you were interested in the gift, he should have gone right out and gotten something nominal and sent it to you. That would be the only decent thing: he brought it up!

And then, if he said, "this is because we had such a great time, but I don't think we're really compatible," it would sting, but it wouldn't be crushing. What he did...holy shit, what he did is abominable.







Darlingriver -> RE: Depression after play (10/11/2012 5:46:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: descrite



darling, I think you were toyed with in the worst way; it's almost like he went through the motions of trying to upset you, purposefully. What kind of a dick would hold out a promise (even of something trivial), and request the trust of a physical address in return?

Even if he never wanted anything more from you, even if he never wanted to extend anything, even if he originally never had anything to send you, once he knew you were interested in the gift, he should have gone right out and gotten something nominal and sent it to you. That would be the only decent thing: he brought it up!

And then, if he said, "this is because we had such a great time, but I don't think we're really compatible," it would sting, but it wouldn't be crushing. What he did...holy shit, what he did is abominable.






Thats it. He brought it up. Not me. I'm not one for gifts. I don't celebrate valentines or birthdays. I sink when I see some men go out and spend thousands on a diamond/engagement ring for their other half. If it was me I wouldn't need a ring to show anything. But now I am going of topic. He was the one who brought it up. The real smack in the face was when he came back to try and hook up with me again just to turn around, give a lame excuse and do nothing.

quote:

And then, if he said, "this is because we had such a great time, but I don't think we're really compatible," it would sting, but it wouldn't be crushing.

That's it. I don't think it would sting. If he spoke honestly it would be out in the open and I would have known where I stood. It was the excuses and lies that stung.




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