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dcnovice -> RE: Well Girls ... Kevlar That Uterus (10/12/2012 5:36:02 AM)

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For some voters it's all about the vagina... And they get offended when I bring that point up, go figure

I can't speak for other posters, of course, but I have two reactions to your repetition of this point and phrasing:

(a) You seem to be reducing the whole process and question of bearing a child--which hugely affects a woman's entire well-being, both physical and mental--to a single body part. For that matter, you seem to be reducing women themselves to their vaginas.

(b) You come across like a five-year-boy trying to shock the adults by using a newly learned word relating to sexuality.




subrob1967 -> RE: Well Girls ... Kevlar That Uterus (10/12/2012 6:36:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

For some voters it's all about the vagina... And they get offended when I bring that point up, go figure

I can't speak for other posters, of course, but I have two reactions to your repetition of this point and phrasing:

(a) You seem to be reducing the whole process and question of bearing a child--which hugely affects a woman's entire well-being, both physical and mental--to a single body part. For that matter, you seem to be reducing women themselves to their vaginas.

(b) You come across like a five-year-boy trying to shock the adults by using a newly learned word relating to sexuality.


I offend you, good. I wouldn't bring vagina's up if there weren't so many fucking threads started by single issue voters like the OP of this thread... I get it, you're not happy by my reducing WOMEN to a single body part... Cry me a fucking river, I'll stop as soon as these stupid, deceitful threads stop.

Abortions are legal, morning after pills are legal, women can still get their strange on, and will continue to even if Romney wins, and they'll be able to buy any type of birth control they want...




Lucylastic -> RE: Well Girls ... Kevlar That Uterus (10/12/2012 7:28:30 AM)

Having a child...being pregnant,is NOT a single issue....it changes EVERYTHING
that you thinkyou are being offensive, or making a point about...whiny posts??
just shores up your incredible uncredibility




JanahX -> RE: Well Girls ... Kevlar That Uterus (10/12/2012 9:45:36 AM)

lol - I'll keep it real when the pro-lifers do. Which will be never.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Oh FFS, JanahX. Do you really think every state in the Union is going to individually ban something a majority of people are in favor of? If, great big capital IF, Roe was overturned, it goes back to the states.

Keep it real.





tazzygirl -> RE: Well Girls ... Kevlar That Uterus (10/12/2012 9:55:18 AM)

The Political Reality

1. Within the first 60 days, trigger bans take effect. Numerous states have abortion bans already on the books that could take effect automatically within 45 to 60 days, based only on the attorney general's finding that Roe v. Wade has been overturned. All of these states would immediately close down any and all abortion clinics.

2. Within the first two years, abortion is illegal in more than half of the country. Legislatures in socially conservative states that have not already banned abortion would do so. After banning abortion, these states would aim to write abortion bans into their constitutions by referendum in an effort by legislators to draw socially conservative voters to the polls. In socially conservative states, from South Carolina in the east to Kansas in the west, abortion would be easily banned. In socially progressive states, such as California and most of New England, it would remain legal. Closely divided states, such as North Carolina and Ohio, would be political battlegrounds as the question of whether or not to ban abortion would become the defining issue of the legislative year--every legislative year.

3. For generations to come, abortion remains a defining issue in American politics. In federal policy debate, progressive legislators would work every year to expand abortion rights while conservative legislators would work every year to restrict them. Progressive politicians would run for president vowing to appoint justices who would bring back Roe, while conservative politicians would run for president vowing to appoint justices who wouldn't.

The Reality for Women

1. In states that protect abortion rights, little changes. A post-Roe New York is going to look pretty much just like a pre-Roe New York.

2. In states that ban abortion, abortion will move from the clinic to the bedroom. In most Latin American countries, abortion is illegal with a prison sentence of up to 30 years for women who have abortions--but there are still about four times as many abortions in Latin America as there are in the United States. Why? Because women who can't have abortions at clinics are still perfectly capable of shelling out two dollars for a black market abortifacient. And there are many, many abortifacients--ranging from common herbs to mass-produced anti-ulcer drugs. The police can't keep marijuana off the streets; they would have even less success with abortifacients. Bedroom abortions are much less safe than clinic abortions--approximately 80,000 women die every year from do-it-yourself abortions--but it's not as if having an abortion is anybody's idea of a good time to begin with, and many women will still be having abortions regardless of the legal or physical risks. This is why many people who do not personally approve of abortion still strongly identify as pro-choice.

3. Many women will get angry...and vote accordingly. In 2004, NOW organized the March for Women's Lives in Washington, DC. With 1.2 million participants, it was the largest DC mobilization in U.S. history--larger than the March on Washington, larger than the Million Man March. And this is while abortion is legal. The Religious Right as we know it today exists because abortion was made legal, and it has delivered the presidency to Republicans for five of the last seven presidential elections. Want to take a guess at how the national political landscape would change if Roe were overturned? Yeah. Neither do conservative politicians, which is why--despite winning the aforementioned presidencies--Republican administrations have done nothing concrete to ban abortion. Even though conservative Republican presidents have appointed seven of our nine current Supreme Court justices, only two of these justices have expressed an interest in overturning Roe v. Wade.


http://civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/qt/roe_wade_whatif.htm




dcnovice -> RE: Well Girls ... Kevlar That Uterus (10/12/2012 2:49:08 PM)

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I offend you, good. I wouldn't bring vagina's up if there weren't so many fucking threads started by single issue voters like the OP of this thread... I get it, you're not happy by my reducing WOMEN to a single body part... Cry me a fucking river, I'll stop as soon as these stupid, deceitful threads stop.

Despite trying (like, as I noted, a five-year-old), you didn't actually offend me. (Well, aside from that sub-literate apostrophe you keep putting in "vaginas.") I save offense for far more serious stuff than a stranger's Internet posts. You aroused a mixture of contempt, amusement, and pity.




SternSkipper -> RE: Well Girls ... Kevlar That Uterus (10/12/2012 9:36:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Having a child...being pregnant,is NOT a single issue....it changes EVERYTHING
that you thinkyou are being offensive, or making a point about...whiny posts??
just shores up your incredible uncredibility


There ARE those for whom the closest they get to a vagina is to badmouth a woman'sright to chose the course her life will take.
Me, I.just like em. And when the chemistry is right... Yum.




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