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Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/13/2012 10:01:23 PM

gentlemantrainer

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I was recently asked via email how I defined a pet trainer. After some thought I decided to place my reply to the question here to see what others might think and or just to try and spark some interesting conversation. Here was My answer:

Interesting question, the simple answer is that I train subs to be pets, but that isn't informative. Fact of the matter is that in some ways it depends on the sub I am training but I will try and give you the "range" as it were.

On the light end of the spectrum, the sub retains most of her human traits but still maintains a pet-like demeanor. Much like a , willing to take and immediately act on commands, taught to dote on me etc. Think about the traits that a dog has for it's master but trained into a human submissive.

At the other end, the pet is taught to drop all human traits. Literally living and acting as a . Sleeping in a kennel or dog bed, eating from bowls, having to wait for me for toilet privileges etc. In the end, living and acting as a dog. (or animal of choice really)

Fact of the matter is that with all the pups I have worked with in the past it lands somewhere in the middle or swings from one end of the spectrum to the other depending on the day, time or mood of the moment. For the most part it ends up being a mixture. Some time at each end of the spectrum really just depending on what the given pet can handle.

I hope that gives you an idea, it isn't really in the end, a simple subject. You have to keep the psychology of the situation in mind as well as differing dynamics of any given pairing.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/13/2012 11:11:16 PM

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By the way I welcome all responses positive or negative. I am just looking to generate some conversation on the subject and see how others would define it.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/13/2012 11:41:37 PM

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Why? You were asked a question, you answered it. What is there to discus???

ETA: let me clarify.... YOU specifically were asked a question about how YOU thought and YOU answered it. Why does it matter what anyone else except those who asked the original question think? No-one else is you. There is no one correct answer. Take it up with the person you're courting cos they're the only one whose opinion on this matters.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/13/2012 11:43:07 PM

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Because different people may have different opinions and open conversation is one way people learn.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/14/2012 1:46:22 AM

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I think you answered two questions. The first being "what is a pet trainer?" And the second "how do you train pets?"

And, I don't think you did a bad job of either as it happens.

The thing to bear in mind is that these terms mean different things to different people, but is seems to me that you're well aware of that... Otherwise you'd not have invited the discussion.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/14/2012 1:59:42 AM

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I understand the 'pet' role, and I can see the appeal of both ends of the spectrum.

What I'd be interested in hearing OP, is about why you consider yourself a 'trainer' rather than a pet owner. It sounds like you have had numerous female submissives do this with you. Is your intention just to go through this training period and then start over with someone else? Or do you ideally want to keep the dynamic going long term but so far haven't found the right one?

I ask because your name and that post you shared makes me think the whole joy for you is in this initial training period and I am curious as to how that works for you. I know for me personally, I couldn't submit to someone with the intention of it being a temporary thing (ie two months training and then I'm done). It takes a long time to build up the level of trust and understanding I would need to submit totally to someone and if/when I do there are a whole bunch of complex emotions present that I wouldn't want involved in a short-term thing. I also wonder at the necessity of training a sub you don't intend to keep - what does it train them for? Future doms and owners will have their own preferences and way of doing things and want to train them to that.

Or is training a euphemism for ongoing kinky play as a lot of people use it on the personals side?

Lastly, how does it work when people live as a dog/cat/whatever full time? I assume you must have to support them financially and do all of the housework and caring - doesn't that become a bit of a drain? Or is it more like they live that way for a weekend at a time?

Hope that counts as sparking discussion!

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/14/2012 3:26:51 AM

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I agree with AthenaSurrenders. I would have some reservations about calling myself a trainer, because the term generally means "man who wants to get his rocks off without commitment". I HAVE seen legitimate training done, though, in introducing a newbie to the smorgasbord of typical sub activities. But it's not common. I've never seen training done to one specific fetish, and would be intrigued how it would work.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/14/2012 3:40:43 AM

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Being a submissive I picked up on the "all the pets" right away. I wouldn't want to serve someone who has had numerous other partners. Having experience training or owning other submissives does not make you more desirable as a partner. In fact it lowers any appeal you might have.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/15/2012 1:35:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

Hope that counts as sparking discussion!

I'll bite.

For me, it is financially viable to support a human pet, and do I have an interest in one, though my interest is in H. sapiens, not in having a human adopting mannerisms from another species. Call it a consensual, experimental exploration of the limits of the human psyche, maybe; one of several possible mental extremes of power dynamics that I have an interest in, and the most likely to work out well. Or, rather, the least likely to go horribly wrong.

Speaking theoretically here, of course. I haven't done this. It's just a challenge I would like to meet with someone that is able to grasp its potential for an adverse outcome, both willing and eager to proceed anyway. Informed consent is sort of a prerequisite for this. I guess a psychiatrist with a very curious mind and a slavish disposition would be the ideal candidate. Those don't grow on trees. Neither do the less ideal candidates. Still, an interesting thought.

If the ideal end result of the most desireable process is achieved, there is no drain beyond that of any other pet, once the training has been completed, successfully. Up to that point, it's no more draining than some of my other hobbies. I already have a partner, and the financial cost of adding one more body to feed, clothe and care for is marginal. The household workload doesn't change much. I foresee the potential for difficulties with maintaining adequate mental stimulation, which is the greatest X factor.

Of course, I can't really see ditching any pet, human or not, and I have a bit of a problem with the idea of a whole ton of them, so I share the questions about why the OP is calling himself a trainer. I would like to be a trainer, but I would want that process to end up with being an owner, and staying that way. Training as a process has its own rewards, distinct from those derived from the end result, more of a passion of labor thing. But I don't think I could summon the enthusiasm without some intention to keep the resulting pet.

Just trying to prod the topic along. It's an interesting one.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/15/2012 2:13:57 AM

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What are the IQs of the women you "train"? I bet theyre a brilliant.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/15/2012 2:56:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JanahX

What are the IQs of the women you "train"? I bet theyre a brilliant.

I'm curious as to what this metric has to do with his activities.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/15/2012 3:06:56 AM

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Because only brilliant women eat out of dog bowls and might have to wait all day to take a piss. C'mon NOW - you should know that.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/15/2012 3:45:06 AM

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I have to admit, i agree with JanahX - it sounds very boring in the long run. Once the original thrill of "ohmygod ohmygod look what i am doing" is over, where would be the interest for the pet. While love and desire are really huge motivators, i don't think they would be huge enough for me to do this role 24/7. And watching tv at his feet isn't enough for me....

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/15/2012 3:46:22 AM

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I don't like the "here, check out my revolving door" feeling that most "trainers" give off.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/15/2012 5:04:19 AM

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Using FR, b/c it's too early to read all the replies:

Here's *my* definition of a "pet trainer."

A "pet trainer" is someone who is highly likely to be inexperienced and/or ineffectual in their dominance, so they go for the new inexperienced subs and offer them "training." The term "pet" is used b/c these guys don't inspire a great deal of submission, and prefer someone they can "adore" and "pamper" on some level.

This may be combined with subs who like to pretend to be kitties and puppies.

For some, I'm sure it's a valid kink.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/15/2012 7:42:41 AM

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I do have a concern about this question. If you are training these pets to be in your own household then ignore what I am about to say.

There are no two Dominants that want the same thing within the lifestyle. Protocols will be different, there will be differences on how thing are to be done and there are differences in likes and dislikes.

If you are just training these pets and then letting them find their new home then you may be doing more harm than good. This is why I say that. If you allow your pet, as you said, to move along the spectrum in both directions then that is the standard that they will judge all other experiences. Especially if you are good at training and help the pet grow in their service. However the next person may be looking for a total immersion into being a pet. The habits that work for you, and what you have trained the pet to accept, may not be acceptable to the new owner.

To the new owner the pet now has, what they consider, “Bad Habits” that need to be changed. This is more work for both the pet and the owner.

Also, if the pet has a “bad experience” with you as the trainer then they are more likely to not seek that with someone else. There are many people on this site that want a pet. The idea even appeals to me at times. But for me it is more for play time and not a full time lifestyle pet.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/15/2012 9:32:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Because only brilliant women eat out of dog bowls and might have to wait all day to take a piss. C'mon NOW - you should know that.

Yeah, I don't go in for the puppies and kittens as a lifestyle thing, either, I'm just wondering where you get off crapjaculating on those that do. See, I'm thinking kiwisub12 has the right of it, essentially that the majority of women who try it think it's hot at first, then realize it isn't working for them in the long run and leave.

Which would be serial application of the tiny head and the big head, not uncommon in sex and relationships generally.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/16/2012 9:14:57 AM

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I think you responded well.
However, I'm sure a thousand people would have responded differently.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/16/2012 1:49:51 PM

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Because I crapjaculate on everybody. Thats what I do.

But - I asked the question - because I dont see where it is productive and stimulates any thought process.

The OP - has stated:

Interesting question, the simple answer is that I train subs to be pets, but that isn't informative. Fact of the matter is that in some ways it depends on the sub I am training but I will try and give you the "range" as it were.

How much intelligence does it take to have someone "train" or "teach" another individual to eat out of a dog-bowl, to crawl around on their hands and knees, to sit at someones feet, or whatever the fuck it takes to pretend to be a dog? My three year old niece plays like shes a dog sometimes. I can see where it might be a real challenge to an adult. And how time consuming and how much thought process it must take for a Master to "train" another individual to act like a dog or cat.

On the light end of the spectrum, the sub retains most of her human traits but still maintains a pet-like demeanor. Much like a , willing to take and immediately act on commands, taught to dote on me etc. Think about the traits that a dog has for it's master but trained into a human submissive.

That takes a lot of training too - to jump up and do what another person says to do. I wonder if he uses positive or negative re-enforcement for this training. In dog obedience classes - they use doggie treats.

The other part that seems to be missing in his statement - is that the person that he wants to dote on him - actually has to "like him" = where all the "training" in the world might not be able to do.

At the other end, the pet is taught to drop all human traits. Literally living and acting as a . Sleeping in a kennel or dog bed, eating from bowls, having to wait for me for toilet privileges etc. In the end, living and acting as a dog. (or animal of choice really)

How stimulating!! I know that the people that go to Rice U - and the people that work at the Houston Medical Center / or Nasa / or The Oil Companies in my neighborhood- spent/spend the majority of their lives - while at work, or at school - thinking about sleeping in a kennel and waiting for someone to give them toilet privileges.

It is these type of mind provoking activities, that bring people that are highly successful in life, to seek out someone like this guy to give them toilet privileges. I think they should start pushing this kind of career in our public education system. Im sure we'll see the greatest minds of our generation stem from it.

Fact of the matter is that with all the pups I have worked with in the past it lands somewhere in the middle or swings from one end of the spectrum to the other depending on the day, time or mood of the moment. For the most part it ends up being a mixture. Some time at each end of the spectrum really just depending on what the given pet can handle.

I hope that gives you an idea, it isn't really in the end, a simple subject. You have to keep the psychology of the situation in mind as well as differing dynamics of any given pairing.

No, this is absolutely not a simple subject. I am working towards my masters degree to understand this. The complications of someone eating out of a dog dish and peeing on a newspaper needs a research center the size of NASA.

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Because only brilliant women eat out of dog bowls and might have to wait all day to take a piss. C'mon NOW - you should know that.

Yeah, I don't go in for the puppies and kittens as a lifestyle thing, either, I'm just wondering where you get off crapjaculating on those that do. See, I'm thinking kiwisub12 has the right of it, essentially that the majority of women who try it think it's hot at first, then realize it isn't working for them in the long run and leave.

Which would be serial application of the tiny head and the big head, not uncommon in sex and relationships generally.

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RE: Definition of a pet Trainer - 10/16/2012 3:51:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Because I crapjaculate on everybody. Thats what I do.

This is true.

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But - I asked the question - because I dont see where it is productive and stimulates any thought process.

Hence, my assumption that it doesn't generally last when people try to do it as a lifestyle.

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And how time consuming and how much thought process it must take for a Master to "train" another individual to act like a dog or cat.

Obviously not a whole lot, unless you're going for accurately imparting all the little things.

I just gave him the benefit of the doubt in assuming he's doing more.

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