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AlwaysIsLearning -> Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/14/2012 12:38:40 AM)

Hello all.

I have been lurking the boards for quite a while, and decided to create a profile so I could say hello.

I have never been in the scene. I know that I am either a sub, bottom, or a switch who prefers the bottom, though. I guess there could be a discussion as to how I came to that conclusion, but I'm not going to go into that in this initial post.

I am learning. Gathering information...trying to figure out what it is that I am feeling. I figured that I might as well introduce myself since I've been lurking your forums :)

so....HI!

<<<<<<<<----------- CHEERS!




PurrPett -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/14/2012 1:45:31 AM)

I'm a relative newbie too... Discovered recently that what I've yearned for years for actually has a name!
So I am deliciously submissive lol... With a little cheeky (intentional at times) fun and flirty way.

So hi back Alwaysislearning! Lol aren't we all!!? And isn't it great! ;-)
Katt




descrite -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/14/2012 2:48:02 AM)

Well, hello to you both! Glad to have you.




DarkSteven -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/14/2012 3:17:38 AM)

Hi there!




PurrPett -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/14/2012 4:19:23 AM)

Hmmm give me a week or so Descrite.. You may change your mind!! Lol

Thank you both for the Hellos :-)




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/14/2012 6:56:58 AM)

welcome to collarme :)




BurntKitty -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/14/2012 9:19:30 AM)

Welcome to CM.




darkenchantments -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/14/2012 10:53:22 AM)

Welcome to CM, and good luck in your learning process. I think your profile says your husband is dominant but doesn't know how to be dominant? And you're the more intellectual of the two? Hmm; well good luck with getting him involved in the learning process, too. Lots of reading around the boards, and do ask questions about anything you're unsure about. All the best to you.




ARIES83 -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/14/2012 4:36:56 PM)

Cheers! Welcome, Jump right in.




AlwaysIsLearning -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/15/2012 8:04:53 AM)

Thanks for the welcome everyone :)

I have hidden my profile because the reaction freaked me right out, to be quite honest. Who would have thought there would be so many people interested in a married woman who doesn't know the scene well enough to know the right words to even describe what she's looking for, AND is only looking for friends! lol

Anyway, I'm here to learn. I have a feeling this is going to be a long process. It's not that my Hubs doesn't know how to be dominant (or whatever word actually describes what I am talkiing about....maybe HOH or Top?). He doesn't know he CAN be. I mean he has the personality to be one, but he's lived in this very small town his whole life. He's got it in his head that there has to be a 50/50 power dynamic. For example, he's so afraid of appearing controlling that he will swallow an inclination to tell me I can't go out to a bar alone, tell me that he has NO problem with it with a smile on his face, and then give me the Spanish Inquisition the next day. That ends up turning into a fight because I then ask him WHY he didn't just tell me NO! I wouldn't have gone! His response is usually that he's not going to tell me what to do, and then backpedals that he actually had no problem with my going out.

I don't know how to explain it. It's really frustrating. I need boundaries. I need to know that someone cares enough about me to set them. But I also need them to be clear. I ask permission on my own to do these things because that is the way I am built....I want him to be happy with my decisions...I expect an honest answer. Not some passive agressive emotional punishment because I did what I had permission to do.

He set them to a point in the beginning of our relationship. He set what you would call his hard limits. He didn't know what he was doing other than telling me that he doesn't want a woman who ______. I didn't know that was what he was doing either until I started researching BDSM, but I wanted to remain with him, so I conformed (they were reasonable...no pot smoking, no more kids, ect...but not easy for me to swallow). Now I live within those boundaries, and I am a million times more stable and successful now than I was then. I wish he would take that a few steps farther. He would feel better for it. And so would I....does this make sense?

I thought that if I could get him used to Dominating in the bedroom, it would be an introduction to living that way more. Going to a Munch isn't an option. And he's too sheltered for his mind to not immediately think of collars, slaves, blood, and fetishes like the potato chips in that one thread you have going on here (hilarious, by the way) if I start talking about BDSM or D/s. I wish I could find some illustrative material that is more...subdued.

Anyway, nice to meet you all :)


ETA: I said in my profile that I was the more intellectual of the two because I am the researcher. I enjoy learning, am always questioning, and due to my natural creativity and inquisitiveness I am always finding more things to research. My Hubs would rather chew glass than read a book, go to an art gallery, or go back to school. If something new needs to happen in our relationship, I am the one who has to gather the info to pass on to him. He doesn't even know how to use a computer, and has no real interest to learn. I do it for him when he wants something found, and then he sits beside me as I read it to him. It works for us.




Muchtado -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/15/2012 9:03:10 AM)

I was intrigued by your second post. That post gave a lot more information and gave a brief synopsis of your relationship. What it sounds like is that you have a normal vanilla relationship. There is room for both of you to grow and to become more of what each other is looking for.

However those changes will not occur until the person that needs to change decides to do so. Now there is another dynamic involved in the relationship. IMHO you need to decide what you are looking for. If your husband is not into the BDSM lifestyle then you only have five choices.

1. Do nothing and change your way of thinking and learn to be happy and content in your marriage.

2. Do nothing and continue to think about what you might be missing. However, keep in mind that the reality is seldom as wonderful as the fantasy.

3. Start exploring this lifestyle and slowly introduce your husband to what you are interested in. This is how most BDSM relationships start. It is a slow progression over a long time.

4. Explore the lifestyle and learn from a dominant that knows that you are married and that you are not going to leave your husband. This option has to be done with your husband’s knowledge and permission. Also your husband could be involved in this so that he can learn what you are looking for and, in time, provide it for you instead of having to go somewhere else.

5. And lastly you can explore this lifestyle behind your husband’s back. I do not suggest this option. This option causes all kinds of problems.

It sounds to me that there is more of a communication or comprehension problem in your contact with your husband than there is a lifestyle problem. Being able to discuss problems and concerns is extremely important in a vanilla relationship. In a BDSM relationship it is even more important. If you are having problems talking to your husband then are you going to have trouble talking to someone else also.

Keep talking to people and getting ideas and thoughts. Someone may have an idea on how to talk to your husband about your needs. I personally like my wife and slave to be honest with me and just talk about it.

One suggestion that I heard once from a submissive that worked for her is she gave her husband a series of gift certificated. They were for things like a free blowjob, a candlelit dinner, a long foot massage, wearing his choice of clothing. She had about fifteen or twenty things that she would do. At any time he could hand her a gift certificate and she was obligated to perform the service. Then when he was not looking she would put that gift certificate back into the stack.

This is only one idea on how you could introduce your husband to be more dominant. I know there are many other ideas. Ask around and see what others say.

Is it just me or is it kind of stupid that CM does not have BDSM in their dictionary.





AlwaysIsLearning -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/15/2012 10:14:46 AM)

Maybe it's because BDSM is difficult to define?

Yes. We have a vanilla relationship. But what I am getting at is that I really believe we are both well suited to NOT be strictly vanilla, and I would like to explore those ideas. I really think that if either of us had been introduced in the right way at some priopr point in time, well....we might both be more comfortable in our own skin now! However, it is what it is. We love and trust each-other. I see us in a more 50s style dynamic...maybe with some domestic dicipline.

We already live in those more traditional roles, except for the fact that I work outside of the home. I do all domestic cooking/cleaning...he helps when REALLY necessary or when he wants to. The dynamic is reversed when it comes to driving, mowing the lawn, or repairs of any kind. Even how our money is split was traditional until the economy forced us to change. He paid the mortgage and utilities, I bought groceries and things we need for the house. I make sure our house is immaculate when we have company (mostly his friends from work and their wives. Sometimes my family/friends, but not often.) Really, this does not seem to far of a stretch for us.

You are definately correct in that there is a often a communication breakdown. However it mostly happens when he does not tell me what he wants/doesn't want, and I am left to guess. Also, probably because the roles of who is actually alpha over who interchanges and blurs so often, I am sure I run my mouth too often. Especially when I don't know how to decide something, can't read his mind on what side he is leaning toward, and am tired of playing the "Idk, what do you think we should do?" ping-pong game.

Lately since I have been realizing that we may just have a bad case of role confusion, I have started backing out of that game with an ego stroke: "I am sure you will decide whatever is best." Then I wait...and he chooses. All is well, fight is avoided. However, it feels more like I am avoiding a fight than my husband exercising his authority. It's not as satisfying. If that makes sense.

As for my options, the final two are not options. Not even close. He will never concent to a third person in our marriage, He'd freak if I even asked him...and the idea (both the asking and the action) makes me kind of squeamish.

I am happy and content in my marriage. I am not craving extreme BDSM or submission, so remaining the way we are would probably not be difficult to do if that is how he wants to stay. I don't think he will though, because I really am only asking him to expand upon a dynamic that already formed totally unconciously. I guess, to use a metaphore, I am just looking for ways that I can hand him to learn how to shape a rough diamond into something more precious than it is already.

You are right. I need to figure out exactly what I want before I can tell him. The once I figure that out, I need to explain it to him somehow...Or find resources he wouldn't mind reading/watching on the subject. I guess that's what motivated me to go ahead and join CM.

I know these are turning into ramblings...thanks for listening :)






saundrakitty -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/15/2012 5:31:21 PM)

you finally hit the nail right on the head there. before you can help him first examine you're self and what you truly desire. take the time to learn, and ask tons of yep- dumb questions as the only truly dumb question is the one you don't ask. i am jumping back in the waters myself after 5 yrs away but i have a head start on you on knowing myself a whole lot better then even when i was in a 24/4. i took the time to reflect and ponder and grow even more. here's another good site to check out for personal growth of self ( A Submissive Journey; yes you do have to pay) but we do allot of personal growth and help each other examine our inner self so we can be more for the Dom/me's and how to express ourselfs before we can develope into their Treasure or to help those already with their One become an even better Treasure.). from what i am also seeing from this site and their forums i have begun jumping in and taking the deep plunge myself to becoming an even more well rounded submissive. this place is also a treasure trove of information to learn from.




AlwaysIsLearning -> RE: Dipping my (our) toes in... (10/16/2012 12:16:02 PM)

Thanks Saundrakitty

I have been doing a lot of reading, and right now I'm stuck doing this ------> [sm=seesaw.gif] for so many reasons. Can I submit completely to DH? Do I want to? I mean REALLY want to? Just because he has dominant tendancies doesn't mean he's not also submissive in a lot of ways...like me. I wish we lived closer to a city where we might be able to meet people. Then we could work through this together.

What I am also seeing is that there are so many different flavors...there's no real way to know what you like without actually trying it. And I am not about to let my DH beat me. Nor am I going to beat him. Orgasm control and denial sounds really interesting...but I imagine me doing it to him not the other way around! See?? -----------> [sm=seesaw.gif]

So, here I am still lurking, lol. I HATE being unsure of things...especial myself! Anyway, I appreciate the response :)




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