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DesideriScuri -> RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our Economy,livelihoods ,Freedom and Liberty Hostage (10/15/2012 6:47:52 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Do you not know tht one of the reasons the bill that became Obamacare moved through congress so slowly was because the Democratic leadership sought Republican input at every stage?
They tried to get the R's to compromise in the way I stated. They did that at every turn.
You're kidding right? The bill would have been a true single payer if no attempt to find a compromise with the GOP had been made.
Yeah, they "compromised." You really gotta stop this stuff. My stomach is starting to hurt from the laughter!
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Maybe you forgot the Koch brothers financing of the groups that disrupted Congressional town halls where the elected officials sought their constitutients input on the bill?
Got proof that all those town halls were disrupted by Koch money?
Who paid for everything? The Koch's and a few allies.
Your "proof" was to restate your allegations and add a "few allies?" What damning evidence!
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Maybe you forgot 'death panels' and 'keep the government's hands off Medicare'?
IPAB. $716B taken out of Medicare (allegedly all from "wasteful" spending) and used to fun the rest of Obamacare.
Not allegedly. The fact is that money is from controlling the rate of increase of Medicare payments (and is exactly the same amount and from the same source that 2 different GOP produced budgets also wanted to save.
Doesn't mean it's wrong.
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Or maybe you are a prime example of what I'm talking about. The Democratic party bent over backwards seeking Republican input on the absolutely needed health insurance reform and all they got from the GOP was 'kill the bill' and lies.
Bullshit. They didn't bend over backwards. They didn't honestly discuss anything the R's brought to the table.
Bull. The GOP brought very little to the table beyond rhetoric. About the only two proposals were tort reform and sell insurance across state lines. Neither one of which dealt with the issues, lifetime limits, dropping for honest application errors, insuring those with pre existing conditions, etc., that needed to be addressed. Also many states have implemented tort reform for medical malpractice and it has had no impact on health insurance costs or coverage.
Well, it's better to have had that than to have passed a bill that has impacted the cost of insurance by making it more expensive, eh? And, at what point is Obamacare making anything "more affordable?"
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Fundamentally the bill as passed was a Republican plan, proposed by numerous Republicans including Bob Dole in the 1990's. The same thing applies to the cap and trade legislation that we needed to begin controlling CO2 releases but again, an immently reasonable and conservative solution was rejected and lied about by the Republicans.
That the plan originated in the Party of R doesn't mean anything about it being good or not.
So you're saying the program pushed by the Republicans was just a ruse to claim they had a plan when they intended to do nothing? Refreshingly honest but a mediocre plan is better than none.
I'm not saying the R's were throwing out a ruse. I'm just saying that ideas can come from the Republicans, too. <cough, cough> Patriot Act <cough, cough>
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CO2 emissions have been dropping in the US as global emissions continue to rise. Global warming hasn't been happening as CO2 has been rising, either. But, let's not quibble over those facts, okay?
Actually the globe has been warming and the corelation is indisputable just ask the climate change skeptics at BEST.
When the models that everyone relies on as proof of AGW don't actually model reality, at what point do we start to scratch our chins and go, "hmmmm....?"
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