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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/15/2012 7:06:42 PM   
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Punishing someone by taking away calories just adds to the emotional sense of defeat that a person generally already battles when trying to lose weight.



It's also a great way to create an eating disorder, particularly if she isn't really overweight already.

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/15/2012 8:07:16 PM   
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No, LatT. Somebody is waiting to see if there is a male who will step up and receive that special 'compensation'. Wink, wink, nod, nod.



Oh is that what the kids are calling it nowadays.
I just call it my "Compensation Package."

Complete with my UPS uniform.

Knock knock! UPS Ma'am; I have a big....package...for you.

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/15/2012 8:11:40 PM   
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So youre looking for a "calorie counter" sub? Thats fucking hilarious.

Hows that going for ya? Lot of applications so far?

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/15/2012 10:09:56 PM   
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go to myfitnesspal.com and put in what you eat daily.. everytime you eat something mark it down and it will automatically count up your calories for you as well as your exercise how many calories you used up... just saying

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/16/2012 5:03:56 AM   
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No, LatT. Somebody is waiting to see if there is a male who will step up and receive that special 'compensation'. Wink, wink, nod, nod.



Oh is that what the kids are calling it nowadays.
I just call it my "Compensation Package."

Complete with my UPS uniform.

Knock knock! UPS Ma'am; I have a big....package...for you.

I wonder if how many calories that'll be if the OP's sub takes that compensation package orally?

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/16/2012 5:25:04 AM   
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I just recently taken over control over my (female) subs diet. And boy, that is quite an effort.


If she is responsible for writing down everything she consumes in a day, and you are asking someone outside
of your relationship to convert the calories for you, where exactly is the effort you seem to be overwhelmed with?


Exactly. He's definitely a candidate for laziest Dom ever.

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/16/2012 7:49:51 AM   
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Punishing someone by taking away calories just adds to the emotional sense of defeat that a person generally already battles when trying to lose weight.



It's also a great way to create an eating disorder, particularly if she isn't really overweight already.


Yeah, I have a friend that ended up a meth addict because of that. The Dom made up what he thought was a healthy diet. It was loaded with carbs, so she gained weight. He kept threatening to release her if she didn't lose weight and someone told her if she did speed she wouldn't eat. (She called meth "Ally McMeals") She lost the weight and ended up at NA.


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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/16/2012 8:03:31 AM   
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OP: Are you and your sub living together or is this a long distance thing? Just curious...as the portion sizes you describe are very subject to interpretation. Do you even know what a healthy portion is? Go pour yourself a bowl of cereal then look at the side of the box. I just about bet that your serving is at least 1.5 times higher than what's suggested. Probably more than that. But, you'd have listed it at a "regular" portion.

Weight loss and nutrition is not something to play at. While promoting healthy eating habits and exercise is a great way to show you care about your sub, and even exert some control over her, as others have stated, it's not always safe.

If your sub is not really overweight you could be causing more harm than good.

And, really, if she's not counting her own intakes, if you are the one responsible for her, you or a doctor should be. Not some third party who is in no way qualified to do this.

Weight loss fluctuates, and lowering caloric intake does not allow for variables. Also, when a woman does not have a lot of weight to lose she may be at a plateau where her body considers her at an optimal weight, even if you don't.



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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/16/2012 9:53:27 AM   
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OP, you are seriously the laziest Dom. I cannot fathom the stupidity of a woman who would be with you, let alone control her diet via some anonymous sub on a kink site.

Are brains passe now?

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/17/2012 9:11:53 AM   
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Oh is that what the kids are calling it nowadays.
I just call it my "Compensation Package."

Complete with my UPS uniform.

Knock knock! UPS Ma'am; I have a big....package...for you.

They don't call you WonderSchlong for nothing.

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/17/2012 3:33:06 PM   
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and if she doesn't lose weight one week, the portion size/calories have to be reduced.



You do realize that this part is stupid, don't you?

Lack of weight loss can be caused by many things. But more importantly, weight loss is simple math. You can't just control the input (calories), you also have to control the output (how much she's burning). So depending on how active she is in a given week, she can lose weight, gain weight, or stay the same, all while eating the exact same number of calories. It's basically a zero sum game.


Not just that, but if she's doing any kind of exercise, she might be gaining muscle mass as well. I restarted my martial arts after recovering from an injury and I've lost a pant size or two, but my weight hasn't changed.

IMO, if you want to control her diet in a way to make her healthier (and I like stressing health over weight/appearance), have her make a plan with a nutritionist and then enforce it. Writing down what she eats isn't a bad idea, but knowing what the portion size is (in cups/oz/whatever) and what's actually in it (is that white bread? wheat?) is going to go a lot further than "average size sandwich." I'd also suggest that, if you want to incorporate punishments, punish her for not following the set dietary plan or exercise regimen without reason rather than for not losing weight. It's more fair and it'll stress building healthy habits instead of making it about her aesthetic appearance, which will probably be better for her psychological health as well.

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/17/2012 11:41:04 PM   
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While Master doesn't control my diet by counting calories, there are times when he will tell me I am gaining weight and that he wants it gone. I don't find it demeaning and I don't find it insulting. I just see it as him caring about my heath and the fact that neither of us is attracted to heavy set people. There have been a couple times when he knew I hadn't eaten anything or not much of anything because my meds are making me ill or I've been extremely tired lately or that I've been busy with something and just forgot to eat for a couple of days.

I look at it as saying he loves and cares for me and knows when you start gaining a lot of weight it's just not healthy for your system.

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/18/2012 2:11:43 AM   
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OP, I really don't see the "quite an effort" that you mention. Counting calories is not that difficult if you have a grasp of basic math, You're 45 so I'm hoping that's not a problem for you. You can get calorie counter books almost anywhere or even look online.

You measure the quantities of food, because one person's bite or huge portion is not the same as the next person's. For instance, you would be surprised at how small a standard 3 ounce/85 gram portion of meat can look. Each food has a different calorie count.

Calculate how many calories she should be "allowed" at each meal/snack. Better yet, have HER do the calculations herself. I don't know a woman alive who can't count calories, I was doing it by the age of 15, almost 40 years ago.

Also, I hope you realize that there are those pesky things the diet industry likes to call "plateaus" and even the most conscious dieter will sometimes not lose any weight during a particular week. It happens and there isn't shit you can do about it. Cutting down calories just because she doesn't lose during one week can put her body into starvation mode and she will continue to not lose.

Also, women can have monthly water weight gain associated with PMS and periods. No calorie count or reduction will change that.

I suggest that you have no idea what you are doing and should send her to a nutritionist or doctor for weight management before you damage her health.

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ETA: Why is it necessary to tell us what gender your submissive is anyway? What difference would that make unless it's for the "compensation package."

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/18/2012 4:41:28 AM   
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I just recently taken over control over my (female) subs diet. And boy, that is quite an effort.

If she is responsible for writing down everything she consumes in a day, and you are asking someone outside
of your relationship to convert the calories for you, where exactly is the effort you seem to be overwhelmed with?


If he does add someone to the relationship and end up with an entirely new person with wants and needs just to avoid 20 min/day of calculation...

OP, stupid question. You're obsessed with diet and weight - why not add exercise to the mix? Note that exercise will add weight initially but it will result in fitness at least as well as diet will.

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/18/2012 8:45:43 AM   
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Are brains passe now?


Yes.

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/18/2012 9:18:14 AM   
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Wow.

So much wow in this thread. =p hahahahaaaa

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/18/2012 11:02:13 AM   
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Counting calories to lose weight is fine if you're only 10-20lbs overweight but more than this and it becomes like trying to rewire a house using only a screwdriver.

Losing weight isn't just about calorie intake, it's about exercise, it's about metabolism, and most of all it's about what is going on between the ears. Oh and let's also not forget that it's about fluid intake. All of these things are so variable which is why obesity is a very complex medical issue and also why a lot of people struggle to lose weight.

Most people lose weight in stages, not gradually. This is because the food you eat heavily influences your metabolism as does how much you actually weigh, and your body adjusts with each change or fluctuation so you burn calories a bit differently.

And you know, if you're so willing to find another slave to monitor your existing slave's diet habits, why not go one better and just send her to a dietician?

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/18/2012 11:45:31 AM   
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Maybe he can't find a dietician who wears a gimp hood and a ring in their nose?
;)
(I thought the OP was talking about control freakery rather than a diet plan, though, so I doubt he's expecting it to have any impact on his sub's weight and shape in the first place.)

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/18/2012 4:30:36 PM   
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I've used myfitnesspal before and I recommend it to everyone. Also, estimating portion size with "bite" to "huge" is grossly inaccurate and you're both probably going to get very frustrated very quickly when she doesn't lose any weight because the estimate of how many calories she's eating is so far off what she's actually eating. Invest in some measuring cups and/or a kitchen scale and instruct her to use it for everything she eats.


Another vote for myfitnesspal and a scale and cups. I've lost 25# since April. Some weeks nothing, some weeks 3 #.

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RE: Calorie counters come in - 10/18/2012 4:42:04 PM   
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All Calories Are Not Created Equal

JUNE 26, 2012, 8:30 PM

Which Diet Works?

By MARK BITTMAN

One of the challenges of arguing that hyperprocessed carbohydrates are largely responsible for the obesity pandemic ("epidemic" is no longer a strong enough word, say many experts) is the notion that "a calorie is a calorie."

Accept that, and you buy into the contention that consuming 100 calories' worth of sugar water (like Coke or Gatorade), white bread or French fries is the same as eating 100 calories of broccoli or beans. And Big Food - which has little interest in selling broccoli or beans - would have you believe that if you expend enough energy to work off those 100 calories, it simply doesn't matter.

There's an increasing body of evidence, however, that calories from highly processed carbohydrates like white flour (and of course sugar) provide calories that the body treats differently, spiking both blood sugar and insulin and causing us to retain fat instead of burning it off.
In other words, all calories are not alike.

You might need a little background here: To differentiate "bad" carbs from "good," scientists use the term "glycemic index" (or "load") to express the effect of the carbs on blood sugar. High glycemic diets cause problems by dramatically increasing blood sugar and insulin after meals; low glycemic diets don't. Highly processed carbohydrates (even highly processed whole grains, like instant oatmeal and fluffy whole-grain breads) tend to make for higher glycemic diets; less processed grains, fruits, non-starchy vegetables, legumes and nuts - along with fat and protein - make for a lower glycemic diet.

A new study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association adds powerfully to the notion that low glycemic diets are the way forward. (Or, actually, backward, since the low glycemic diet is largely traditional.) The work took place at the New Balance Foundation Obesity Prevention Center of Boston Children's Hospital, and looked at people's ability to maintain weight loss, which is far more difficult than losing weight. (Few people maintain even a small portion of their weight loss after dieting.) To do this, the researchers - led by the center's associate director Cara Ebbeling and director David Ludwig - put three groups of people on diets to lose 10 to 15 percent of their body weight.

They then assigned each of the dieters, in random order, to follow four weeks each of three diets with the same number of calories. One was a standard low-fat diet: 60 percent carbohydrates - with an emphasis on fruits, vegetables and whole grains (but not unprocessed ones) - 20 percent from protein and 20 percent from fat. This is the low-fat diet that has been reigning "wisdom" for the last 30 years or more.
Another was an ultra-low-carb diet (for convenience, we'll call this "Atkins"), of 10 percent of calories from carbs, 60 percent from fat and 30 percent from protein. And the third was a low glycemic diet, with 40 percent carbs - minimally processed grains, fruit, vegetables and legumes - 40 percent fat and 20 percent protein.

The results were impressive. Those on the "Atkins" diet burned 350 calories more per day - the equivalent of an hour of moderate exercise - than those on the standard low-fat diet. Those on the low-glycemic diet burned 150 calories more, roughly equivalent to an hour of light exercise.

Three conclusions you can draw on the face of this: One is that the kind of calories you eat does matter. Two, as Ludwig concludes, is that "the low-fat diet that has been the primary approach for more than a generation is actually the worst for most outcomes, with the worst effects on insulin resistance, triglycerides and HDL, or good cholesterol." And three, we should all be eating an "Atkins" diet.

But not so fast; the "Atkins" diet also had marked problems. It raised levels of CRP (c-reactive protein), which is a measure of chronic inflammation, and cortisol, a hormone that mediates stress. "Both of these," says Ludwig, "are tightly linked to long term-heart risk and mortality."

His conclusion, then? "The 'Atkins' diet gives you the biggest metabolic benefit initially, but there are long-term downsides, and in practice, people have trouble sticking to low-carb diets. Over the long term, the low-glycemic diet appears to work the best, because you don't have to eliminate an entire class of nutrients, which our research suggests is not only hard from a psychological perspective but may be wrong from a biological perspective."

Almost every diet, from the radical no-carb-at-all notions to the tame (and sane) "Healthy Eating Plate" from Harvard, agrees on at least this notion: reduce, or even come close to eliminating, the amount of hyper-processed carbohydrates in your diet, because, quite simply, they're bad for you. And if you look at statistics, at least a quarter of our calories come from added sugars (seven percent from beverages alone), white flour, white rice, white pasta are you seeing a pattern here? (Oh, and white potatoes. And beer.)

So what's Ludwig's overall advice? "It's time to reacquaint ourselves with minimally processed carbs. If you take three servings of refined carbohydrates and substitute one of fruit, one of beans and one of nuts, you could eliminate 50 percent of diet-related disease in the United States. These relatively modest changes can provide great benefit."

The message is pretty simple: unprocessed foods give you a better chance of idealizing your weight - and your health. Because all calories are not created equal.




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