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defiantbadgirl -> Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/15/2012 11:10:09 PM)
He calls barriers to free trade (not fair trade) needless and wants to make it easier for immigrants to come here and work. Even if they are legal, they still take American jobs that should be given to US citizens! This is a word for word quote from his website: "Eliminate needless barriers to free trade and make it easier for would-be legal immigrants to apply for work visas." Since this is his own website, there's no way it's biased against him. http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/economy-and-taxes

DomKen -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/16/2012 7:38:08 AM)
He's a Libertarian. That is pretty standard Libertarian stuff.

hot4bondage -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/16/2012 9:12:05 AM)
Sounds reasonable, but civil liberty is the big issue for me. Look at where we are now. Your cell phone isn't even considered a personal effect under the fourth amendment. Obama has gone so far to the right on these issues that Romney can't outmaneuver him without sounding like a totalitarian.

Moonhead -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/16/2012 12:18:23 PM)
Do you think that's likely to stop Romney trying? It hasn't so far...

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/16/2012 12:48:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen He's a Libertarian. That is pretty standard Libertarian stuff. So Libertarians want as many American jobs taken by foreigners as possible, whether in the US or off-shored overseas. Got it.

hlen5 -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/16/2012 1:02:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen He's a Libertarian. That is pretty standard Libertarian stuff. So Libertarians want as many American jobs taken by foreigners as possible, whether in the US or off-shored overseas. Got it. dbg, I don't like illegal immigration any better than anyone else, but those illegals do hard work most citizens won't do. What we need is a COMPREHENSIVE immigration strategy. I confess I don't know that much about G Johnson.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/16/2012 1:19:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen He's a Libertarian. That is pretty standard Libertarian stuff. So Libertarians want as many American jobs taken by foreigners as possible, whether in the US or off-shored overseas. Got it. dbg, this isn't about illegal immigration. Johnson is for making legal immigration easier. And, unless you are full-blood Native American, you have an immigrant ancestry. There is nothing wrong with legal immigration. How is it you are an Obama supporter when he wants to reward all the current illegal immigrants with amnesty? If Americans would do the jobs, what jobs would the immigrants be getting?

stef -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/16/2012 1:21:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl So Libertarians want as many American jobs taken by foreigners as possible, whether in the US or off-shored overseas. Got it. No, you clearly haven't got it. If you're going to be a one-issue voter, it sure would be nice if you actually understood the issue you continually rant and rail about. Regardless, your inability to get a decent job has approximately zero to do with the employment plans of any of the presidential candidates.

Fellow -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/16/2012 6:55:04 PM)
You have to look at Johnson's whole economic system, not to pick up pieces and assume the rest of the current perverted economy will remain the same. Libertarian-constitutional thinking is very difficult for a liberal to grasp, I understand that.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/17/2012 9:09:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef Regardless, your inability to get a decent job has approximately zero to do with the employment plans of any of the presidential candidates. Where on this thread did I mention anything about my ability or inability to get a decent job? Are you seriously denying how many Americans lost good paying jobs because of these free trade deals? You really think it's a good thing to make it easier for foreign workers to come here legally and work during a job shortage? Immigrants being legal doesn't change the fact that they're here to take jobs that should be given to Americans. IMO, all immigration should be stopped until our economy is booming again and there are more than enough decent paying jobs for everyone. Then start allowing it again in limited numbers. Why are you assuming I'm going to vote based on one issue? I think both Johnson and Romney suck and I'm voting for President Obama. What I'd really like to see is a candidate like Bernie Sanders. Overall, I agree with him on more than any other politician. Are you familiar with Bernie Sanders?

ToyOfRhamnusia -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/17/2012 7:05:53 PM)
Exactly. The principle in libertarianism is that competition is healthy. So, if Americans can't do the job better and cheaper than the Chinese, then the Chinese win the competition and get the job. The opposite is nepotism - setting up barriers and establish favoritism, so that the least qualified can get away with and get paid too much for a lousy job, just because "he is one of our own". American consumers are brainwashed to go for the cheapest possible stuff, and they buy it from Wal-Mart or from anyone else, if it is cheap. They have no concern for who produced it - as long as it is cheap. And they are not sufficiently educated to see the connection between their own desire for cheap stuff and the fact that jobs disappear from their continent... If you want American workers to produce it, you either have to accept a higher price - or get the workers to accept working for a lower salary. It is that simple. If you are not willing to any of this, you are a hypocrite when you claim that you are concerned about your products being produced outside the USA. And WHY should American consumers accept paying more for something the Chinese actually are better and cheaper at producing? Aren't we all best off by contributing what we are GOOD at contributing? The problem might be, though, that Americans aren't good at anything, except making war. And complaint, I should add.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/17/2012 7:41:06 PM)
Then I guess I'm for nepotism because I think the citizens should come first. That means in any country, not just the US. I'd have nothing against globalization if prices were lowered along with the resulting diminished wages. But landlords aren't lowering rent and utility companies aren't lowering their rates.

wittynamehere -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/17/2012 7:44:30 PM)
GJ is a lot better than either of the 'mainstream' candidates, but nowhere as good as Ron Paul, and look what they did to him!? Stroke of a pen and changed the rules so that he got knocked out. GJ has even less of a chance of going up against the corrupt establishment system we've got in place now. Rough, rough times coming for the USA and the West in general. :(

TheHeretic -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/17/2012 8:05:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl they still take American jobs that should be given to US citizens! Immigration matters aside, a job is not something you are given. It is something you go out and get. Nor should it ever be thought that "giving out" jobs is the business of government.

tj444 -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/17/2012 8:44:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl I think both Johnson and Romney suck and I'm voting for President Obama. OMG! this is the funniest thing I have read in a long time.. when you vote for Obama you are voting for more free trade agreements, ffs! He signed several new ones in the last 4 years and he wants one with China!

ToyOfRhamnusia -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/18/2012 1:06:35 AM)
So, how would you get the money to pay for those things when all the stuff you have to buy becomes more expensive, because it is "made in the USA"? Or maybe you want US workers to earn less, so their products can be cheaper? And how are those workers now going to pay for their rent? Maybe you are one of them? No matter how you turn it around, there is NO ESCAPE from NOT being competitive.

ToyOfRhamnusia -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/18/2012 1:12:42 AM)
Remember that people make all important decisions with their emotions, not their rational faculty. Looking for rational reasons to even support the regime by VOTING is futile. There is only one party that will win the election, no matter which candidate gets the most votes: The banksters for the NWO. And Americans will lose until they take the consequences of being fooled by being offered a choice only between two pre-determined evils that both fit the banksters and their NWO agenda. The differences between the two candidates are meaningless and unimportant into the grotesque - they BOTH represent destruction of freedom, a stricter police state, more war, and a collapsing economy.

epiphiny43 -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/18/2012 1:25:28 AM)
You'd be most unhappy with the America we'd soon get with greatly restricted immigration. Far fewer doctors, for one. And the US pre-eminence in the sciences is built on foreign grad students, most of whom stay. It's called the Brain Drain and the US has been benefiting massively from it for half a century or more.

ToyOfRhamnusia -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/18/2012 1:31:54 PM)
I can't blame Americans for wanting to get out while they still can - they are in the same situation as Germans were in in 1938. And most of them are snoring at the wheel while letting their politicians drive them right into slavery.

tj444 -> RE: Gary Johnson no better than Romney (10/18/2012 11:55:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ToyOfRhamnusia Remember that people make all important decisions with their emotions, not their rational faculty. Looking for rational reasons to even support the regime by VOTING is futile. There is only one party that will win the election, no matter which candidate gets the most votes: The banksters for the NWO. And Americans will lose until they take the consequences of being fooled by being offered a choice only between two pre-determined evils that both fit the banksters and their NWO agenda. The differences between the two candidates are meaningless and unimportant into the grotesque - they BOTH represent destruction of freedom, a stricter police state, more war, and a collapsing economy. since I am not an American citizen (& no desire to be one).. I dont vote. But I have said for a long time that it doesnt matter who Americans vote for, they are screwed either way..

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