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Yachtie -> The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 7:04:09 AM)

Those who said last weeks amazing numbers were bullshit are being vindicated.

In the week ending October 13, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 388,000, an increase of 46,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 342,000. The 4-week moving average was 365,500, an increase of 750 from the previous week's revised average of 364,750.

It's not getting better.

The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 359,048 in the week ending October 13, an increase of 29,129 from the previous week. There were 357,562 initial claims in the comparable week in 2011.

It's getting worse.

These figures are utterly inconsistent with any sort of labor market recovery




mnottertail -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 7:06:25 AM)

But have you read how the statistics are made?   They are statistics, they never were right, W never had that sort of employment and so on way way back.




tazzygirl -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 7:11:00 AM)

Your first link doesnt work




mnottertail -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 7:16:28 AM)

The state of California was way late in getting their unemployment claims (house of the living dead there, like their DMV) entered into the system.  Thats where the 46K came from.

Some amount of people fatfingering shit, or in the case of CA fingerfucking themselves instead of entering the data.....and the BLS reports what they got at the time they gotta report it.

It is wholly asswipe in any case, meaningless PR.  W never had a 5% or 6% unemployment rate, it was way way higher than that.




tazzygirl -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 7:23:40 AM)

I always questioned the 3% we supposedly had under Clinton. 4% - 6% is considered full employment




mnottertail -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 7:30:21 AM)

If you go to the BLS and see how they gather statistics, you know you might as well hit the whiskey bottle, and the vaseline.

i.e. 60K households surveyed for the numbers for ag and self employed, and if you worked whatsoever during that week you go into employed column.   In a way, it makes sense I suppose, if you are harvesting potatos, and it rains, or snows, or is too hot, you wont work that day.....


and so on.  the methodology for house and business numbers are on the site. 




Yachtie -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 9:23:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Your first link doesnt work



Sorry. Hope this one does.




mnottertail -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 9:52:44 AM)

There were 16,879 former Federal civilian employees claiming UI benefits for the week ending September 29, a decrease of 404 from the previous week. Newly discharged veterans claiming benefits totaled 38,462, a decrease of 49 from the prior week.


From the link, shrinking the Fed.




subrob1967 -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 11:50:39 AM)

Everything is better, Obama said so so it must be true[sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif]




Moonhead -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 11:53:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Everything is better, Obama said so so it must be true[sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif]

Got a source for that?




Yachtie -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 11:55:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Everything is better, Obama said so so it must be true[sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif]

Got a source for that?


Guess Obama ain't a credible source[8|]

Bwahahahahahaha

[sm=eeew.gif]




Moonhead -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 11:57:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Everything is better, Obama said so so it must be true[sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif]

Got a source for that?


Guess Obama ain't a credible source[8|]

Bwahahahahahaha

[sm=eeew.gif]

He's not citing Obama in that comment, is he?




Yachtie -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 12:10:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Everything is better, Obama said so so it must be true[sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif]

Got a source for that?


Guess Obama ain't a credible source[8|]

Bwahahahahahaha

[sm=eeew.gif]

He's not citing Obama in that comment, is he?


Why should he cite what all have seen / know Obama has said? Your just being an ass.





Moonhead -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 12:13:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Everything is better, Obama said so so it must be true[sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif][sm=pompom.gif]

Got a source for that?


Guess Obama ain't a credible source[8|]

Bwahahahahahaha

[sm=eeew.gif]

He's not citing Obama in that comment, is he?


Why should he cite what all have seen / know Obama has said? Your just being an ass.



So the Kenyan said "everything is better" when? Do you have a source for that?




Yachtie -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 12:17:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
So the Kenyan said "everything is better" when? Do you have a source for that?


I understand you're slow Moon, but look up hyperbole. It'll do you good[8|]




Moonhead -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 12:18:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
So the Kenyan said "everything is better" when? Do you have a source for that?


I understand you're slow Moon, but look up hyperbole. It'll do you good[8|]


So you can't back up talking crap and you're going to weasel out of it now.
What a surprise.




mnottertail -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 12:19:40 PM)

I am amazed at all the people who know that are only the regressives, just like they know that giving more tax breaks to corporations (who have not asked for that) will create jobs that they haven't created.

They know alot of shit that is pure asswipe, lies and propaganda, but little fact.

they are running around, shitting their pants hysterically.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 5:58:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Those who said last weeks amazing numbers were bullshit are being vindicated.

In the week ending October 13, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 388,000, an increase of 46,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 342,000. The 4-week moving average was 365,500, an increase of 750 from the previous week's revised average of 364,750.

It's not getting better.

The advance number of actual initial claims under state programs, unadjusted, totaled 359,048 in the week ending October 13, an increase of 29,129 from the previous week. There were 357,562 initial claims in the comparable week in 2011.

It's getting worse.

These figures are utterly inconsistent with any sort of labor market recovery



Wh....wh.....what are you saying Yachtie....that the numbers are going to get (gasp) adjusted?

I'm finding that hard to believe....there are so many here that have told me that things are improving....I know they are....the numbers tell me so.

They're govt. numbers.




kalikshama -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 6:07:41 PM)

FWIW, I'm back to work, yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee!




Lucylastic -> RE: The jobs recovery? (10/18/2012 6:12:01 PM)

(Reuters) - The number of Americans filing new claims for jobless benefits spiked last week, reversing a sharp decline in the prior week but still pointing to a labor market that is slowly healing.

Other data on Thursday showed factory activity increased in the mid-Atlantic region during October, although not enough to suggest an end to broader weakness in factory output.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits rose a greater-than-expected 46,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted 388,000, the Labor Department said.

But the department cautioned that data over the past two weeks appeared distorted by a shift in the way one state was reporting its claims figures. A four-week moving average that smoothes weekly volatility fell from a month earlier, suggesting the lackluster recovery in the job market was on track.

"Things are getting better in the labor market, but only slowly," said Yelena Shulyatyeva, an economist at BNP Paribas in New York.

The economy remains hobbled by a persistently high jobless rate. Incomes have stagnated and many families are awash in debts taken on during a housing bubble in the last decade.

Recently, however, the economy has shown a few positive signals, with the unemployment rate falling to 7.8 percent and retail sales picking up. Consumer spirits have also brightened.

Those signs of improvement appear to have done little to bolster President Barack Obama's bid for a second term, and there is only one more reading on U.S. unemployment before voters go to the polls on November 6.

Stock prices were roughly flat following the jobless claims data, while yields on U.S. Treasury debt fell.

CLOUDY OUTLOOK

Government statisticians have struggled to adjust the jobless claims data for seasonal patterns over the last two weeks.

Last week, the Labor Department reported claims fell an unusually large 30,000 in the October 6 week, reaching the lowest level in more than four years. But a department analyst said it appeared state-level administrative issues were distorting the data.

Claims usually increase at the start of a quarter, but one state appeared to be following a different reporting pattern than usual, leading to the wild fluctuations, the analyst said.

The data nonetheless points to modest strides in the labor market. While the four-week average of new claims rose 750 last week to 365,500, a month ago that figure stood at 378,500.

Last week was the period used by the Labor Department to survey employers and calculate how many workers were added to payrolls in October. The drop in the four-week average from a month ago suggests hiring picked up.

"It does look like the labor market is improving at least in that respect," said Pierre Ellis, an economist at Decision Economics in New York.

The private Conference Board said on Thursday that its gauge of future economic activity rebounded in September to post its largest gain in seven months.

Separately, the Philadelphia Federal Reserve Bank's business activity index rose to 5.7 in October from minus 1.9 the month before, snapping five months of negative readings that pointed to contraction.

The reading topped the expectations of analysts polled by Reuters, but details within the report gave some worrisome signals about U.S. manufacturing, which has suffered from sagging exports. Europe's debt crisis has cooled global growth, cutting into export demand.

The Philadelphia Fed report pointed to a contraction in employment at the region's factories.

It also suggested the region's factories were cutting plans for capital investments.

Paul Dales, an economist at Capital Economics in London, said that could be a sign factories are worried the U.S. government could raise taxes and cut spending next year, which would hit economic growth.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/18/us-usa-economy-jobs-idUSBRE89H0NI20121018?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=71&google_editors_picks=true




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