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The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/23/2012 7:22:15 AM   
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...61 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Millett

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Lewis Lee Millett, Sr. (December 15, 1920 – November 14, 2009) was a United States Army officer who received the Medal of Honor during the Korean War for leading the last major American bayonet charge.

By February 7, 1951, Millett was serving in Korea as a captain and commander of Company E of the 27th Infantry Regiment. On that day, near Soam-Ni, he led his company in an assault on an enemy position atop Hill 180. When one platoon became pinned down by heavy fire, Millett took another platoon forward, joined the two groups, and led them up the hill. Wielding his bayonet and throwing hand grenades, Millett yelled encouragement to his soldiers throughout the hand to hand fight. Upon reaching the top of the hill, his men stormed the enemy position and forced the opposing soldiers to withdraw. Although wounded in the shin by grenade fragments, Millett refused to be evacuated until the position was secured. Historian S.L.A. Marshall described the attack as "the most complete bayonet charge by American troops since Cold Harbor". Out of about 50 enemy dead, roughly 20 were found to have been killed by bayonets, and the location subsequently became known as Bayonet Hill.

For his leadership during the assault, Millett was awarded the Medal of Honor. The medal was formally presented to him by President Harry S. Truman in July 1951. He was also awarded the Army's second-highest decoration, the Distinguished Service Cross, for leading another bayonet charge in the same month.

So, the last bayonet charge by American troops was 61 years ago. The Army dropped bayonet training in the Spring of 2010.

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RE: The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/23/2012 7:25:18 AM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_458408/mpage_8/key_chesty%252Cpuller/tm.htm#473765

I agree with Looies sentiments and I think it is very shortsighted to give up bayonet training, cuz sooner or later it gets down to cases....................  

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RE: The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/23/2012 4:42:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
...61 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Millett
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Lewis Lee Millett, Sr. (December 15, 1920 – November 14, 2009) was a United States Army officer who received the Medal of Honor during the Korean War for leading the last major American bayonet charge.
By February 7, 1951, Millett was serving in Korea as a captain and commander of Company E of the 27th Infantry Regiment. On that day, near Soam-Ni, he led his company in an assault on an enemy position atop Hill 180. When one platoon became pinned down by heavy fire, Millett took another platoon forward, joined the two groups, and led them up the hill. Wielding his bayonet and throwing hand grenades, Millett yelled encouragement to his soldiers throughout the hand to hand fight. Upon reaching the top of the hill, his men stormed the enemy position and forced the opposing soldiers to withdraw. Although wounded in the shin by grenade fragments, Millett refused to be evacuated until the position was secured. Historian S.L.A. Marshall described the attack as "the most complete bayonet charge by American troops since Cold Harbor". Out of about 50 enemy dead, roughly 20 were found to have been killed by bayonets, and the location subsequently became known as Bayonet Hill.
For his leadership during the assault, Millett was awarded the Medal of Honor. The medal was formally presented to him by President Harry S. Truman in July 1951. He was also awarded the Army's second-highest decoration, the Distinguished Service Cross, for leading another bayonet charge in the same month.

So, the last bayonet charge by American troops was 61 years ago. The Army dropped bayonet training in the Spring of 2010.


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    BAYONET TRAINING

    CHARGE WITH
    LETHAL PRECISION
    A bayonet is a removable fighting knife that attaches to the muzzle of a rifle barrel. In close combat situations where a rifle cannot be fired, the bayonet is an indispensible, lethal weapon. Learning how to effectively use a bayonet is an important part of Marine Corps training.

    On the bayonet assault course, recruits learn to attach and detach the bayonet from the rifle quickly and to engage targets aggressively. They become masters of offensive and defensive fighting techniques.



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RE: The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/23/2012 5:02:02 PM   
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We now mount a bunch of equipment on what used to be called the bayonet lug, flashlights, shotguns, grenade launchers etc. Expecting our soldiers to remove those and attach bayonets is unreasonable. Training them how to use a combat knife OTOH seems not just easonable but like a very good idea.

Furthermore we're going to very short weapons, M$ carbines and P90's, that are not useful as spear type weapons.

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RE: The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/23/2012 5:20:00 PM   
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Are the Marines the Army?
I thought they were a branch of the navy, so the army stopping bayonet training won't have any impact on them. They probably haven't even noticed that...

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RE: The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/23/2012 8:07:01 PM   
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You're correct, the Marines do still use bayonets.

The army does not.

Different branches of the military.


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RE: The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/24/2012 6:47:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: erieangel

You're correct, the Marines do still use bayonets.

The army does not.

Different branches of the military.



The Armystill issues bayonets but the don't provide training in their use.

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RE: The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/24/2012 6:48:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

http://www.collarchat.com/m_458408/mpage_8/key_chesty%252Cpuller/tm.htm#473765

I agree with Looies sentiments and I think it is very shortsighted to give up bayonet training, cuz sooner or later it gets down to cases....................  

I agree wholeheartedly

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RE: The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/24/2012 7:03:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: erieangel

You're correct, the Marines do still use bayonets.

The army does not.

Different branches of the military.



The Armystill issues bayonets but the don't provide training in their use.

You sure about that? I did some looking yesterday and couldn't find any indication the Army still issues bayonets or combat knives of any sort.

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RE: The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/24/2012 7:12:43 PM   
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The President was correct......we do in fact have fewer bayonets and horses....

Most folks got the point tho......

The claim that we`re weaker cuz we have fewer(in number) navy ships today is as stupid as bush.

In the military,quality always trumps quantity...

For example.......if Mittens claimed today`s phones were less capable/powerful because they weren`t as heavy or as big as rotary-dial phones......he`d be laughed off the stage.Funking ridiculous....

That is essentially what Mitt did when he said we`re weaker b/c we have fewer navy ships.

Ships today have the killing power of multiple ships of yesterday. 

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RE: The last American Bayonet charge was... - 10/24/2012 7:15:42 PM   
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When I retired from the Army Reserves in 1995, the only time anyone was issued a bayonet was if they were one of the two men carrying an M-16 rifle as part of a color guard.

In 1969 in Vietnam when we were being trained on the then new M-16 rifle, we were instructed to forget the bayonet training we had previously received with the older, stronger M-14 rifle. We were told if we stabbed anyone with a bayonet attached to an M-16 and hit a bone, the rifle's barrel would bend and wouldn't be safe to fire. If we butt-stroked anyone with an M-16, there was a 50/50 chance the M-16 would break in half. We were advised to use our bayonets as knives and never attach them to our M-16s.

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