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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 6:26:17 AM

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Maybe I'm like a cat chasing a laserpoint - but I don't believe that. I have been into BDSM half of my life now - and I have been owned in a 24/7 relationship like described above - but I feel that there has to be more...

My mind can conceive a Dyson sphere. That doesn't mean I can build one.

When you ask to be caged and tortured 24/7 you're only thinking of a few hours of beatings. You're clearly NOT thinking about the following:

- lack of REM sleep would drive you clinically insane, making you a burden to the Dom you claim you want to serve

- repeated damage to the body and life in cramped quarters would cause other health issues, most likely related to muscular spasms and infections from waste (urine/feces) disposal; let me point out that cages do not come with toilets OR toilet paper...

- in his absence the Dom would have to set up some type of machine to physically abuse you (money out of his pocket for events he'll never see...) OR pay someone to come in and do it (making you a financial burden) OR make you beat yourself (which is masturbation, which you can do at home without a Dom, really)

Other than spending money on your abuse and watching your health intently, you need to ask yourself what the Dom would get out of this. Put the penis down and ask yourself what you would really be doing for this person in your head. The odds of you finding a Dom with the money, health insurance, and time to invest in you - and then they also have to choose you, so again, what makes you worthy of this compared to all the younger, hotter boys running around - are miniscule.

You need to inject the aforementioned truths into your assessment of what you want, and realize that it is fantasy based on the terms you're asking for. Fantasy is great, dude. But not knowing when it's fantasy and when it's reality, that's a problem.

Best of luck in sorting this out.

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 6:51:55 AM

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Oh yes, I´m experienced enough and not totally fanatasy-driven that I know all the facts you are talking about. Let me try to sort it out:

1) REM sleep ist very important - I agree. And even a slave needs to sleep in order to serve his DOM well. But there is no need to sleep comfortable for a slave - that´s my point!

2) I do know, that there are no toilets in cages ;) And i know anout the health issues related to life in cramped quarters - but even there are different ways to figure that out! I´m used to be in cages for several hours - and waste disposal can easily made.... I don´t mention the size of the cage.... It´s more about the restriction - to be tied to bed or chained to the wall will de the same! And what about the repeated damage of the body - if it is well done, there are possibilitys for very, very intense and very long tortures without causing damages.... And some kind of damages will be okay (like permanent scars, etc....)

3) In times of his absence DOM could use machines (some could be build up by yourself if you are a little talented), other people.... Ther are several possibilities.... even to be forced to do some degrading work or to be rented out to earn money.... Physical pain ist not a MUST 24 hours a day!

To answer your question: DOM gets a slave who will fullfill every wish he may have - every sadistic thoughts, every humilating and degrading... And naturally i would even do all taskes that DOM sees fit for me.... It´s no play - it´s real! And i think that there will be DOMs out there, who are just dreaming of such kind of slavery.... Even the more cruel sadist....

YES, I know that might be extreme - but I´m into it and I´m not insane or stupid!

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 7:25:12 AM

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OP,the way I see my relationships is they are always 24/7/365...but does that mean you'll find my s-type physically caged or chained all the time? Hell no,but I do however see the mental control as being there 24/7/365.If you control the mind,the rest will follow and the bonds are as strong as any steel once you find the right partner.OP,while I am a bit sadistic there is no way I'd ever consider spending all my time thinking of ways to punish my s-type or actually doing so.Yes,somewhere off in somebody's dungeon there might be someone living in a cage or chained to the wall with limited time unrestrained...but this is the exception,not the rule.Of course I have caged,I have restrained,some times for quite a while but 24/7/365? Not going to happen except mentally.

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 7:37:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: RealExtremeMaso

Oh yes, I´m experienced enough and not totally fanatasy-driven that I know all the facts you are talking about. Let me try to sort it out:

1) REM sleep ist very important - I agree. And even a slave needs to sleep in order to serve his DOM well. But there is no need to sleep comfortable for a slave - that´s my point!

2) I do know, that there are no toilets in cages ;) And i know anout the health issues related to life in cramped quarters - but even there are different ways to figure that out! I´m used to be in cages for several hours - and waste disposal can easily made.... I don´t mention the size of the cage.... It´s more about the restriction - to be tied to bed or chained to the wall will de the same! And what about the repeated damage of the body - if it is well done, there are possibilitys for very, very intense and very long tortures without causing damages.... And some kind of damages will be okay (like permanent scars, etc....)

3) In times of his absence DOM could use machines (some could be build up by yourself if you are a little talented), other people.... Ther are several possibilities.... even to be forced to do some degrading work or to be rented out to earn money.... Physical pain ist not a MUST 24 hours a day!

To answer your question: DOM gets a slave who will fullfill every wish he may have - every sadistic thoughts, every humilating and degrading... And naturally i would even do all taskes that DOM sees fit for me.... It´s no play - it´s real! And i think that there will be DOMs out there, who are just dreaming of such kind of slavery.... Even the more cruel sadist....

YES, I know that might be extreme - but I´m into it and I´m not insane or stupid!

I'm not talking about comfort where sleep deprivation is concerned. Since you have failed to do the research, follow this link. We're talking multiple organ damage. Actual REM sleep loss will not be as significant, but here are the results of that as well.

Following from the aforementioned links, how do you think you will be able to walk, let alone perform a task, if the rest of your time is spent living in a cramped cage? You won't be earning any money for your Dom if you hallucinate, your kidneys are shot and your muscles atrophied.

You're not insane or stupid, but you're not realistic or knowledgeable either. If you can't come up with a way to address all of the problems your fantasy involves, then imagine what a Dom would have to entertain to actually accomplish all of this, just for you. Fantasies are inherently selfish because we dictate how things are despite reality. If you can't prove how this would work, don't expect anyone else to do it for you.

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 9:00:53 AM

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I have a master grade in psychology and I know exactly the specific issues concerning sleep deprivation etc.... I know the medical aspects of being hold cramped for long too - you can be sure.... Knowing all this exactly I think there are ways to deal with that... It may nit be your way, but it can done! Just an example: to avoid muscle issues there can be done forced exercises twice a day or even more often....
As you might see at my profile, I'm not native speaker - therefore I find it difficult to explain everything that's in my mind, sorry for that!

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 9:11:02 AM

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I can appreciate that English isn't your first language, but if you can't say how it could be done safely, you can't expect others to somehow come up with it for you, either. If you're willing to do the research and post it, I would be happy to read it and discuss it with you. Simply saying you want it, without any practical methods to make it nonlethal, makes it fantasy.

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 9:42:45 AM

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I am not a real 24/7 master because every time I orgasm my cocks goes soft.

Most 24/7 is about the dominant submissive being serviced by the submissive master.

I dont want ANYTHING 24/7. Not sex, sleep, food, massage, nothing. So, now we are just negotiating...

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 9:54:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RealExtremeMaso

Oh yes, I´m experienced enough and not totally fanatasy-driven that I know all the facts you are talking about. Let me try to sort it out:

1) REM sleep ist very important - I agree. And even a slave needs to sleep in order to serve his DOM well. But there is no need to sleep comfortable for a slave - that´s my point!

2) I do know, that there are no toilets in cages ;) And i know anout the health issues related to life in cramped quarters - but even there are different ways to figure that out! I´m used to be in cages for several hours - and waste disposal can easily made.... I don´t mention the size of the cage.... It´s more about the restriction - to be tied to bed or chained to the wall will de the same! And what about the repeated damage of the body - if it is well done, there are possibilitys for very, very intense and very long tortures without causing damages.... And some kind of damages will be okay (like permanent scars, etc....)

3) In times of his absence DOM could use machines (some could be build up by yourself if you are a little talented), other people.... Ther are several possibilities.... even to be forced to do some degrading work or to be rented out to earn money.... Physical pain ist not a MUST 24 hours a day!

To answer your question: DOM gets a slave who will fullfill every wish he may have - every sadistic thoughts, every humilating and degrading... And naturally i would even do all taskes that DOM sees fit for me.... It´s no play - it´s real! And i think that there will be DOMs out there, who are just dreaming of such kind of slavery.... Even the more cruel sadist....

YES, I know that might be extreme - but I´m into it and I´m not insane or stupid!

For how long?

A year? Two? 10?

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 10:21:02 AM

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but most times it´s only a fantasy.... Just playing a hour or two a day - that´s it... :(

Playing an hour or two a day is reality, not fantasy. People have to work. People have to pay bills. People have to buy groceries and prepare meals. People have to clean their homes and wash clothes. Fantasy is thinking you can live a sexual high 24 hours a day, every day and not have to pay bills, work, cook, dlean, or do laundry.

Not to mention dealing with family, illness, dealing with maintenance issues (plumber, auto mechanic) etc.

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 10:45:53 AM

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By the same rules the 24/7 mythmakers use...nobody is "truly" vanilla because they atent always fucking missionary style. LOL!

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 10:49:04 AM

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Maybe I'm like a cat chasing a laserpoint - but I don't believe that. I have been into BDSM half of my life now - and I have been owned in a 24/7 relationship like described above - but I feel that there has to be more...

There's the gist. WERE. No longer. I'm going to guess the dom got bored or realized it wasn't worth the hassle. Have you thought about talking to a therapist? It doesn't seem like you are completely sane or rational. It seems you've become lost in fantasyland. That, or turn off the porn!

It's also sad to me that you have no desire for love in your life. It's depressing, especially since you have a degree in psychology. I hope you are not currently working as one. I would see you as the one being delusional and not the patient.

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 11:00:42 AM

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YES, I know that might be extreme - but I'm into it and I´m not insane or stupid!

Well, good luck in your search. I don't think what you're looking for is particularly "extreme" in any way... just labor intensive on the dom's part and requiring the dom to have at least the same level of fixation on certain aspects as you do. But you wouldn't be the only person looking for something very specific and hard to find. The unicorn hunters all have a similar problem.

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 4:31:27 PM

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Are you kidding. Nobody can do 24/7 the way you are describing it-it's a straight fantasy.
First off, whoever is in charge has to do basic life things, work, shop, go to the doctor etc...
Sure, they can leave a slave caged, but what happens if there's an emergency, say a fire. Then the dom is looking at a serious murder rap, and not many folk I know want that.
Not to mention that the amount of micromanagement involved would drive even an OCD abuser around the bend-sooner or later they need a break. Plus, much as I like her, I don't think anyone can handle being with another person every second of their life w/o resenting the hell out of em.
And that's not even getting into the damage that would be done by nonstop pain and torture, bad knees, crippled joints, cardio problems, hell, muscle tone problems.
The funny thing is that I do own a 24/7 slave and, as mentioned above, have for over 7 years.
Now, when I say 24/7, I mean a very different thing than does the OP (maybe because mine is rooted in reality :-p). Mine is simple-there's never a moment of the day that I don't have dominion over her.
Now, do I exercise said control every minute of the day?
Yes and no.
Yes in that my control never slips. If I really want her for anything, she's expected to drop pretty much everything (ER visits, time in the ICU and such excepted) and do my bidding. That's always there, just as she is always my slave, an owned piece of fuckmeat.
But I also grant her a fair amount of latitude w/i that, what many here would probably find immense freedom. In fact I suspect most serious lifestylers would call bug bad Kana a huge softie if they saw how much latitude she has.
Why?
Because I trust her. That's first and foremost. Also because I grant her privileges, things that she likes to do and that make her happy (Because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that a happy slave tends to make for a happy dom, and vice versa).
But mostly, and this is as simple as I can put it, because I'm too damn lazy and too damn old to want to or try to manage every second of her day.
Maaaaaaaan, that's one time consuming order. And I'm a selfish pig. I have better things to do with my time than chart out every second of her day, every day, ad infinitum. Instead I give her a general outline of what I expect from her, the times I will be seeing her, what I expect her to have accomplished by days end and then send her on her way.
You know, treat her like an adult.
Now, I will admit that there have been times when I've kept girls under tight wraps for a while, even extended periods, but even then, after a while that gets old. And that's got nothing to do with her, but is simply because it demands too much from me. Otherwise, my dominance becomes a prison that ensnares me, and what fun is that. I want a life too, not to be a jailer for the rest of my days.
Where would be the fun in that?
It's a hot fantasy, very fun for limit.
So I have no interest in doing so, nor would I make a commitment to anyone about such a thing.
Because in the end, I would hate them for reining in MY life and MY likes and wants and resent the fuck out of for doing so. And dominance is supposed to make me happy, not her, and thus I wouldn't commit to anything that is tantamount to self harm. Cuz that's not how sane people act.

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 4:45:04 PM

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See, unlike what most here have said, I wouldn't have a problem with having a slave an managing every second of their day. I wouldn't consider it too much work either, I think it's rather fun. In fact, just this week I had just that kind of fun.
I had a boy from Denver come over while my husband was away, and every second of his day was managed by me while he was here. When I wasn't controlling his every action, he was either chained to a wall, or getting about 10-15 minutes to eat something before I'd used him again.

Only OP, I don't think you'd much enjoy the life this boy had this week, because you see, he spend the week cleaning my house and yard for about 16 hours a day.
He didn't know how to do it right at first, so I showed him, and had him do it over and over again till he got it right (took him about 4.5 hours to clean the M-bathroom the first day) but once that was fixed I didn't constantly supervise him. What did happen is that ever second of his day was scheduled and controlled by me.

And as far as constant pain goes. You can bet your sweet ass he was in pain. Sore knees from scrubbing the floor on all fours, sore back from bending over to wash baseboards, hands raw from chemical use, sore muscles from moving heavy boxes, furniture and yard work, sore body from sleeping on the floor, hunger because of a lack of appetizing food.

So yeah... I can totally see keeping somebody in brutal slavery 24/7 as working out for me. Hell, even though the house looks okay right now, I could easily compile a list twice as long as what got done this week for every detail that didn't get done... and by the point that was all done, you could start back from the top.

However... I have the sneaky suspicion that actual slavery... as in chattel slavery... isn't something you'd be interested in at all.

What you want doesn't even bare resemblance to "slavery". What you want is for another person to cater to your sexual desires 24/7.

You're basically looking for somebody to be a 24/7 slave to your cock... yeah... good luck with that...

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 6:03:27 PM

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Sure, you can do this for a week with no consequences. A lot here would probably find it fun, but for the rest of your and his life? I think you'd get aggravated after awhile or bored at the very least.

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 6:08:19 PM

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If that would be the case, I would already get bored with my life, because this IS my life.

The only difference this week was an extra set of hands giving me the ability to be in two places at once and get stuff done to a higher degree of detail that I could have by myself.

If I had the capacity of going insane from extending this week out indefinitely, I already would have... cause it pretty much was business as usual as it has been for the last two years.

Now, whether somebody else could do it indefinitely without going insane... that's a totally different question, and I seriously doubt they could. There's a big difference between getting to do what you want to do in the moment while directing somebody else's actions, and having your actions directed every second without ever getting to do what you want to do in the moment.

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/26/2012 11:19:38 PM

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See OP what it boils down to is this - like Ishtar's example - most Mistresses and Masters want their slave to be useful to them, to take the burden off in some way.

Now try to imagine yourself as the Master. Which is more useful?

Scenario A:
Slave sleeps in a cage at night. In the morning, the Master has to come down, make the slave some food, let him out of the cage, beat him, attach clamps, chain him up elsewhere. The Master will either have to keep coming down for bathroom breaks or clean up after the slave. The Master will be making the slave's meals (which he will also be paying for). The slave requires near-constant pain so the Master will have to add some more kinky beatings. The Master won't be able to go out to work or to have fun, because there might be a fire or some medical emergency that would endanger the slave's life. The Master will need to arrange for and pay for medical check ups since the slave's lifestyle will be bad for the health. Meanwhile Master still needs to feed himself, grocery shop etc...

Scenario B:
The slave gets up first, makes coffee, turns the shower on for Master. He fixes breakfast. He goes out to work to earn his keep, or, on his days off, he scrubs the house from top to bottom, does laundry, changes the sheets, mows the lawn, gives Master a backrub. Master gets to sit and relax. That night the Master gives the slave a beating so they can both get their jollies.

Which slave would you want?

Truly even if they were rich and didn't need to work, and didn't want to leave the house, and thought their partner was so awesome they would happily spend all day together, most people wouldn't want this. Because kink is just one part of life. You would be incredibly dull. What would you talk about? I'd require a slave who had hobbies and interests, who kept up with the news, who was constantly learning and improving (and I don't mean 'learning to take more pain', I mean learning cooking or karate or French or SOMETHING).

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/27/2012 7:00:21 AM

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Yeah, what ^ she said!

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/27/2012 7:14:53 AM

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Exactly...

As has been said before about Scenario A - Wouldn't it just be easier to have a goldfish?

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RE: Real, strict 24/7/365 - an Illusion? - 10/27/2012 8:45:15 AM

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Yeah, I don't think it's very likely anybody's going to be able to play 24/7 for years. That's just fantasy.

Anyway, to be honest... play is the easy part. At least for me. The hard part is life. Giving up control over things like your job or household finances are a LOT harder and more "real" IMO than taking a caning.

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