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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/27/2012 4:01:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk There are differing viewpoints and differing viewpoints. Someone tries to toss legitimate rape my way....and I am walking away. Wow....that was a slightly more than fascinating statement.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/27/2012 4:03:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk And you didn't explain from before. What is the Tea Party trying to do within the Republican Party. What is the fight all about? Cause, frankly. I don't get it The Tea Party isn't attempting to do anything of any kind within the Republican Party. The Republican Party however, is indeed attempting to do all kinds of things within and with the Tea Party.

vincentML -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/27/2012 4:21:34 PM)
quote: The Tea Party was started because of a fellow on the financial channel, CNBC (Rick Santelli), who rallied the "troops" saying essentially that we should throw "all the bastards out". That it was a rigged game. true. And of course Santelli would know because he had made his living as a trader in the Chicago bond pits. quote: It then became co-opted by the Republican Party because they were the only ones who paid attention to them. But "history" hides a lot of bullshit unless you dig beneath it: At the apex of the tea party movement, aside from such Fox revolutionaries as Rupert Murdoch, there is a well-funded organization known as FreedomWorks, headed by a former politician named Dick Armey. His past career should be instructive to any starry-eyed citizens who believe that they have at last found the true right-wing revolutionary path. read more about Freedom Works. . . . FreedomWorks originated from a campaign called Citizens for a Sound Economy, which split in two in 2004. CSE was set up by businessman David Koch (Koch Industries).[4] Citizens for a Sound Economy merged with Empower America in 2004 and was renamed FreedomWorks, with Dick Armey, Jack Kemp and C. Boyden Gray serving as co-chairmen, Bill Bennett focusing on school choice as a Senior Fellow, and Matt Kibbe as President and CEO.[5][6][contradiction] Empower America was founded in 1993 by William Bennett, former Secretary of HUD Jack Kemp, former Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, and former Representative Vin Weber.[7] In December 2006, Steve Forbes joined the board of directors.[8] So, basically, all those gullible fuckers who responded to Santelli's siren call were financed by and became tools for some very long time Establisment fat cat types pushing a fiscal conservative agenda. The populist sign-wavers on the Capitol Mall were manipulated by the Republican rich and powerful from the git go.

DomKen -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/27/2012 7:16:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk The problem with the whole notion of the "tea party" was that it constituted a party rather than just the very far right of the Republican Party. It was a cute branding idea.....But end of the day the tea party was simply disgruntled republicans. I don't think something that is contrived needs a grave but I do think they've done great harm to the Republican party.... They were in fact, "separatists", the harm that was done, was done too them and by the very co-opting of their premise and intent BY the Republican party. (I wouldn't expect you to understand that, since you don't even know who Lee Iaccoca or Jack Welch were. History is always your friend...judging the future without a firm grasp on the past is always a demented way of forging forward). Well I'm something of an expert on US history and I'm telling you the so called 'tea party' is simply the far right fringe of the Republican party rebranded by Dick Armey and the Koch brothers. Just examine the 'leaders' of the movement. You simply won't find anything but long time Republican Party activists. Why did Christine O'Donnell have tape from more than 10 years ago saying wacky things? Because she was someone the right wingers were pushing as a spokeswoman. Who was Sharon Angle before she won the Nevada Senate primary? A Republican state legislator. What did Joe Walsh do before winning a House seat? He was a not very successful Republican fund raiser. All the movement has achieved is completing the expusion of the moderate wing of the Republican party which has naturally harmed the viability of the party and endangered both the party's long term survival and the health of the Republic, the tactics the GOP feels it must employ (corporate money and voter suppression) are clearly not good for the USA in the long term.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/27/2012 9:16:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk And you didn't explain from before. What is the Tea Party trying to do within the Republican Party. What is the fight all about? Cause, frankly. I don't get it Do you know what the Tea Party stands for? If you don't, then you wouldn't get it.

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Leftist Racism at MSNBC (10/27/2012 9:38:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ElChupa So what's new, right? http://politichicks.tv/column/liberal-hypocrisy-toward-black-conservatives/ For the left, freedom of speech means you can speak in support of keeping minorities fat, dumb, stupid and voting for the donkey. But destroy any who dare question that. I get it. So how come they staged that phoney speech with no crowd. Wingdings are that desperate, that they'd cover up the racism they've been caught at so far this year, with halfwit shit like that?

graceadieu -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/27/2012 10:52:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: kd, that is one helluva fucking slip. And given his voting record not a slip at all. So if I have a friend that is believing that bullshit.....then they better be giving their heads a shake. I mean legitimate rape? How the fuck could that come out of your mouth by accident? And how could anyone parse it to mean or not mean anything but something very very bad? sorry, they'd need to have their asses out my door I agree it is hard to believe... for me too. But remember it has been a Republican position that if the abortion law is overturned and an anti-abortion law is passed with an exception for rape and incest then some women will falsely claim rape to get an abortion...That is what he meant by legitimate rape. Still a dumb assed position but different then what many are trying to make his comments to be. Butch I don't know. I really don't think so. There are an awful lot of men out there (and some women) that think that rape "doesn't count" if it doesn't involve a stranger and a weapon, and that if a woman drinks to much and can't fight a guy off, well, she must really have wanted to have sex with him anyway and shouldn't complain about it. I think he's one of those.

kdsub -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/28/2012 10:57:19 AM)
quote: I don't know. I really don't think so. There are an awful lot of men out there (and some women) that think that rape But...he was stating a position he has put forth before. He was supporting the Republican position at least in his state anyway. You and others are attributing meanings that may not be there. The same thing they rant against when a conservative does the same thing... sort of hypocritical to me. Butch

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/28/2012 12:06:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie Without facts, "idiots gain control of the asylum". (Which, by the way, is what happens when opinions aren't based in either history or fact). Oh, the irony....

DomYngBlk -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/28/2012 3:57:47 PM)
Never mind then. I take it from the lack of an explanation that you don't know yourself. But thanks anyway

DomYngBlk -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/28/2012 4:02:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk The problem with the whole notion of the "tea party" was that it constituted a party rather than just the very far right of the Republican Party. It was a cute branding idea.....But end of the day the tea party was simply disgruntled republicans. I don't think something that is contrived needs a grave but I do think they've done great harm to the Republican party.... They were in fact, "separatists", the harm that was done, was done too them and by the very co-opting of their premise and intent BY the Republican party. (I wouldn't expect you to understand that, since you don't even know who Lee Iaccoca or Jack Welch were. History is always your friend...judging the future without a firm grasp on the past is always a demented way of forging forward). If either mr welch or mr iaccoca were more than just mere footnotes of your past they would be part of history. Unfortunately for you. They aren't. They were never "separatists". Show me one candidate that ran from the Tea Party that wasn't on the ticket as a republican. It is/was contrived and simply a branding ploy not different than a "happy meal" for Republicans.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/28/2012 4:04:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk No, they can reform their party all they want. However, I can't see how reforming a party and lowering membership is a great thing for the party. My take on the tea party is that they are older white americans that see the world changing from what they knew and are reacting to those changes. The policies are just manifestations of that personal upset. I know if I were a Republican I would be very worried about throwing out people like Lugar.....and chasing Voinivich out of running again......Olympia Snowe is going away cause of those changes.....You can see in the cautious way that Boehner and McConnell work around the tea party they are fearful of the effect as well. The Tea Party was started because of a fellow on the financial channel, CNBC (Rick Santelli), who rallied the "troops" saying essentially that we should throw "all the bastards out". That it was a rigged game. It shortly thereafter became a rallying cry by anyone (white, black, asian) who said "enough is enough". And then shortly thereafter still, crowds waving banners claiming said title, emerged. It then became co-opted by the Republican Party because they were the only ones who paid attention to them. Unbeknownst to them (the Tea Party), it slowly fell into the lap of Republican viewpoints because, like all groups, someone eventually grabs the reigns and being a completely disparate group, with essentially no leader, the Republican party became their defacto head. Again, history is a fabulous tool. It fills in the gaps between bullshit and fact. And...when enough bullshit is spewed, without enough facts to paper over same....bullshit wins. Hence why history should be (and is....for those who care for facts) your guide. Without facts, "idiots gain control of the asylum". (Which, by the way, is what happens when opinions aren't based in either history or fact). You write so much and never say anything. Is this really Willard Romney cause it sure seems so.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/28/2012 6:10:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Never mind then. I take it from the lack of an explanation that you don't know yourself. But thanks anyway Oh, so, now the sour grapes come out. Well, excuse me for not assuming you knew wtf the Tea Party was about. And, had I explained it, you could have simply stated, "Yeah, I knew all that." Yet, how would I know you had a fucking clue about the Tea Party platform? Had you stated what you believe to be the Tea Party platform, I would know if there was some knowledge you lacked about them. Since you want everything fed to you, you'll have to find yourself a Mommy or a Daddy. I'm simply not into that kink.

ElChupa -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/28/2012 6:11:53 PM)
This is right up there with the left continuing to say Rush Limbaugh's program is a fad and will go away. Just remember, leftists don't have to use logic. They are emotion-based, so whatever they blabber about they think is true. Just defeat them.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/28/2012 6:22:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Never mind then. I take it from the lack of an explanation that you don't know yourself. But thanks anyway Oh, so, now the sour grapes come out. Well, excuse me for not assuming you knew wtf the Tea Party was about. And, had I explained it, you could have simply stated, "Yeah, I knew all that." Yet, how would I know you had a fucking clue about the Tea Party platform? Had you stated what you believe to be the Tea Party platform, I would know if there was some knowledge you lacked about them. Since you want everything fed to you, you'll have to find yourself a Mommy or a Daddy. I'm simply not into that kink. Jesus, ok , fuck me. Asked a simple question. lesson learned

Hillwilliam -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/28/2012 6:27:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ElChupa This is right up there with the left continuing to say Rush Limbaugh's program is a fad and will go away. Just remember, leftists don't have to use logic. They are emotion-based, so whatever they blabber about they think is true. Just defeat them. Is there any logic in your statement? If not, would that make you a leftist?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/28/2012 7:02:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Jesus, ok , fuck me. Asked a simple question. lesson learned Thanks for the offer, but that isn't within my list of kinks, either. If I don't know where you are in your understanding, how am I to explain things to you? And, when posed a question, you refused to answer it. How is it that you aren't replying to yourself with the same statments?

tweakabelle -> RE: Party over for the Tea Party? (10/29/2012 4:00:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: ElChupa This is right up there with the left continuing to say Rush Limbaugh's program is a fad and will go away. Just remember, leftists don't have to use logic. They are emotion-based, so whatever they blabber about they think is true. Just defeat them. Is there any logic in your statement? If not, would that make you a leftist? How mean are you HillWilliam! Asking ElChupa logical questions! Is there no depth you won't stoop to in order to embarrass the poor thing? Admit it, beneath the mild meek question you asked him, there was a trap that anyone with the brain of a ten year old child would neatly skip past. But you knew he couldn't and you just had to make an example of him. You couldn't help yourself could you? Definitely below the belt HillWilliam below the belt! That's just not fair!

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