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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 1:06:21 PM   
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Could he really appeal Obamacare?

With enough Republicans in both the House and Senate, unfortunately yes. As long as Democrats have control of the Senate, very unlikely unless he replaces it with single-payer.

Labeling China a currency manipulator?

I don't see that doing any good. What we need to do is get out of these free trade deals, tax the hell out of companies that offshore jobs, and cut foreign aid.

Increasing military budget by 2 trillion dollars and cutting budget to balanced position?

Not possible.

Balancing budget while continuing and increasing tax cuts with increased military spending?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Giving burdens of health care to states? Can they handle expense?

Are you fucking kidding me? Most states are too poor to handle the cost. Better to have the government fund it and either the states or government run it. What I'd really like to see is a single-payer system.





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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 1:08:20 PM   
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The average family in reducing their own expenditures will sacrifice our consumer driven economy


So in order to not sacrifice our consumer driven economy the average family must continue to spend above it's reduced means? Neat trick.
How's the average family do that? Where's the money going to come from?

If the economy is not consumer driven, what else could drive it? Government consumption? Would that work? How would that be paid for?



Dad is gonna go down to the basement and use his Obamajet printer to print more money for the family... Easy peasy



That'll soon be a McRomneyJet. Either way, it's more ink.

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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 1:25:23 PM   
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The average family in reducing their own expenditures will sacrifice our consumer driven economy


So in order to not sacrifice our consumer driven economy the average family must continue to spend above it's reduced means? Neat trick.
How's the average family do that? Where's the money going to come from?

If the economy is not consumer driven, what else could drive it? Government consumption? Would that work? How would that be paid for?





Not at all what I said, you are extrapolating an answer based on nothing in evidence by the statement nor the question.

You have yet to tell me what YOU are willing to sacrifice to meet the ends that you wish to see.

Are you willing to pay more taxes?

Give up some government administered benefits?

Are you sufficiently prepared to retire without Medicare, Social Security?

You wish to continue to pay for defense, and you want the budget cut, but that isn't possible without either more revenue, or less benefits.

Is it your belief that Romney is so magical that he can outrun the deficit issues? Will revenues just appear based on him being elected?














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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 1:28:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark
The average family in reducing their own expenditures will sacrifice our consumer driven economy


So in order to not sacrifice our consumer driven economy the average family must continue to spend above it's reduced means? Neat trick.
How's the average family do that? Where's the money going to come from?

If the economy is not consumer driven, what else could drive it? Government consumption? Would that work? How would that be paid for?



Dad is gonna go down to the basement and use his Obamajet printer to print more money for the family... Easy peasy



Funny thing rob, always preaching about how bad Obama is, yet you can not defend your own candidate's policies?


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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 1:41:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark
The average family in reducing their own expenditures will sacrifice our consumer driven economy


So in order to not sacrifice our consumer driven economy the average family must continue to spend above it's reduced means? Neat trick.
How's the average family do that? Where's the money going to come from?

If the economy is not consumer driven, what else could drive it? Government consumption? Would that work? How would that be paid for?





Not at all what I said, you are extrapolating an answer based on nothing in evidence by the statement nor the question.

You have yet to tell me what YOU are willing to sacrifice to meet the ends that you wish to see.

Are you willing to pay more taxes?

Give up some government administered benefits?

Are you sufficiently prepared to retire without Medicare, Social Security?

You wish to continue to pay for defense, and you want the budget cut, but that isn't possible without either more revenue, or less benefits.

Is it your belief that Romney is so magical that he can outrun the deficit issues? Will revenues just appear based on him being elected?






May I quote myself,

What am I willing to give up? Put it this way, I'll keep defense.


edit: now, apply that to the rest of your questions.




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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 2:20:01 PM   
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For all those who wonder about or support what would happen if Romney won.
Now, understanding his ability to squirm in and out of issues, what policies has he stated that are or could be realistic.
Could he really appeal Obamacare?
Yes, but unbelievably difficult to do, can he do it?
Possible? It's possible, but the fewer R's in the House and/or Senate, the more difficult it becomes.
Remotely Possible?
Are you fucking kidding me?

Labeling China a currency manipulator, does it have any real effects? Knowing that the law has such a provision already, and that negotiations on currency have been going for a long time, does it have any effect?
Does it matter? Yes, but it's going to have to be taken up with the rest of the World. China isn't going to stop their actions simply because we start stomping our feet and shaking a finger at them.
Is it important? Yes.
Do you care? To the extent I can impact it, yes.

Increasing the military budget by 2 Trillion dollars and cutting the budget to a balanced position?
Possible? Absolutely. Look, there is a much better chance of this happening (especially since we're already spending it, just not as the Base Budget for the Pentagon), that it will be for Obama to take half the savings of ending the war in Aghanistan (which is where the $2T is coming from) and pay down our debt. Since our annual deficits are currently around $1T, including future budget estimates, dropping $1T over the next decade isn't going to pay down our debt at all.
Not Possible?
Effects?

Balancing the budget while continuing and increasing tax cuts with increased expenditures on the military?
Possible?Yes. See above.
Remotely possible?
Are you fucking kidding me?

Giving the burdens of health care to the states? Can states handle the expense?
Possible?
Remotely Possible?
Are you fucking kidding me?The Federal Government can't handle the expense, but that didn't stop them.


Can either of them get China to stop manipulating their currency? I don't know that they can. That's a sad reality.

Can we continue to spend, spend, spend without any real reins? Fuck no.

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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 6:10:08 PM   
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The United States foreign policy will go to hell rapidly. Who will Romney have as Secretary of State and in the Foreign policy departmenty?

Clinton and the crew she has does fair work, regardless of any view of her politics.

Name who Romney would have.

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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 6:22:08 PM   
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I'm so not ready to re-welcome pre-existing conditions and lifetime limits.

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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 6:34:32 PM   
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I'm so not ready to re-welcome pre-existing conditions and lifetime limits.


Massive trade and currency wars and military adventures will affect United States domestic policy, if in no way but financial. The Bush war in Iraq cost you trillions that must be repaid, and seriously enhanced the Anglo-European economic meltdown.

Healthcare, improvement of the economy, education, the US infrastructure, taxation, inflation, and more will be significantly affected by the diplomacy and policy the United States follows.

And Romney appears lost, if he does not have very astute help in foreign affairs, the United States will be back in the days of the neo-conservative cowboy diplomacy.

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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 6:37:54 PM   
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59, I've come to the conclusion that you're this boards liberal version of Saun Hannity.

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Romney wins?


This world-class cock-sucker gets a cabinet appointment...

Sununu backs off race statement about Powell

Let`s see.............

Minister of Racial Relations or Dept of Douche-bags.....?


Before you fire back on all your attack dog point, I somewhat like you, I can't stand him. Does that make me a libserative...


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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 6:38:24 PM   
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there's no way to tell how a president is going to behave based on what he says before the votes are tallied. candidates say everything we want to hear before we cast our ballots, so i'd really take any policy stands with a grain of salt.

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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 6:44:21 PM   
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John Bolton.

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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 6:47:44 PM   
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The United States foreign policy will go to hell rapidly. Who will Romney have as Secretary of State and in the Foreign policy departmenty?

Clinton and the crew she has does fair work, regardless of any view of her politics.

Name who Romney would have.


Actually I think Newt would make a rather good Secretary of State, he's very knowledgeable, a skilled negotiator and nobody overseas gives a shit who or how many he's been fuckin'.

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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 6:49:41 PM   
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Also a good choice...

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John Bolton.



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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 6:58:51 PM   
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Could he really appeal Obamacare?
Are you fucking kidding me?

Labeling China a currency manipulator, does it have any real effects? Knowing that the law has such a provision already, and that negotiations on currency have been going for a long time, does it have any effect?
Nope, without sanctions nothing matters, you aint hurting their feelings.

Increasing the military budget by 2 Trillion dollars and cutting the budget to a balanced position?
Hes fucking stupid, and the math wont work.

Balancing the budget while continuing and increasing tax cuts with increased expenditures on the military?
Are you fucking kidding me?

Giving the burdens of health care to the states? Can states handle the expense?
Are you fucking kidding me?
Thanks for doing all the work Ron....lol

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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 7:06:50 PM   
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Could he really appeal Obamacare?

Yes, but unbelievably difficult to do, can he do it?
Possible?
Remotely Possible?
Are you fucking kidding me?



Unfortunately, our system of checks-and-balances went the way of all flesh, a long time ago so, technically, with an EO, he could do it, in the limo from innauguration to the WH.

quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark
Labeling China a currency manipulator, does it have any real effects? Knowing that the law has such a provision already, and that negotiations on currency have been going for a long time, does it have any effect?
Does it matter?
Is it important?
Do you care?



It matters a great deal when the country with the largest population (largest market for goods) has found a way to manipulate every other country's monetary system. It's a new "civil" warfare. It stinks on ice.

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
Increasing the military budget by 2 Trillion dollars and cutting the budget to a balanced position?
Possible?
Not Possible?
Effects?



I'd respond to this but it's an Obama lie. The plan is to end the war in Afghanistan, reducing costs by (about) 2 Trillion dollars but keeping the spending the same, sort of an increase in spending but not quite. I'm shocked that VP Biden would lie about an issue. Maybe we should put ol' Joe back in chains?

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
Balancing the budget while continuing and increasing tax cuts with increased expenditures on the military?
Possible?
Remotely possible?
Are you fucking kidding me?



Once again, the plan does not call for an increase in military spending. Can he balance the budget while increasing tax cuts? Not as quickly as I'd like to see the budget balanced but, I'd like a few more sheckles in my pocket, too.

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
Giving the burdens of health care to the states? Can states handle the expense?
Possible?
Remotely Possible?
Are you fucking kidding me?



I have a unique idea: How about, instead of "giving the burden" back to the states, we give it back to individuals after we make sure that doctors and hospitals aren't being raped by insurance companies for mal-practice insurance and then, we force the doctors and hospitals to stop raping their patients? I like that plan.

Part of that idea would include a "Good Samaritan" rule whereby unless a hospital or doctor did something really horribly wrong, they'd be immune to mal-practice suits by people that they're trying to help, the ungrateful fuckers.



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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 7:11:55 PM   
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For all those who wonder about or support what would happen if Romney won.

Now, understanding his ability to squirm in and out of issues, what policies has he stated that are or could be realistic.

Could he really appeal Obamacare?

Barring the above blather, it's gonna be at best, difficult to repeal Obamacare.


Yes, but unbelievably difficult to do, can he do it?
Possible?
Remotely Possible?
Are you fucking kidding me?

See above.

Labeling China a currency manipulator, does it have any real effects? Knowing that the law has such a provision already, and that negotiations on currency have been going for a long time, does it have any effect?
Does it matter?
Is it important?
Do you care?

Of course it matters....their average income is 1/5th ours and therefore, their currency (should) reflect that fact.

Is it important? Only if you care that they can buy a dollar for 19 cents.

And if you're on their side of the math, buying a dollar for 19 cents is a mathematically GENIUS way to make a buck.

Increasing the military budget by 2 Trillion dollars and cutting the budget to a balanced position?
Possible?
Not Possible?
Effects?

Was there a question here...maybe I missed it?

Balancing the budget while continuing and increasing tax cuts with increased expenditures on the military?
Possible?
Remotely possible?
Are you fucking kidding me?

Again, was there a question here?

Giving the burdens of health care to the states? Can states handle the expense?
Possible?
Remotely Possible?
Are you fucking kidding me?

And your question regards our health care dilemma has to do with China how? Or did you diverge to another topic and fail to inform everyone that you had done so?




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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 7:24:02 PM   
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Could he really appeal Obamacare?
Are you fucking kidding me?

Labeling China a currency manipulator, does it have any real effects? Knowing that the law has such a provision already, and that negotiations on currency have been going for a long time, does it have any effect?
Nope, without sanctions nothing matters, you aint hurting their feelings.

Increasing the military budget by 2 Trillion dollars and cutting the budget to a balanced position?
Hes fucking stupid, and the math wont work.

Balancing the budget while continuing and increasing tax cuts with increased expenditures on the military?
Are you fucking kidding me?

Giving the burdens of health care to the states? Can states handle the expense?
Are you fucking kidding me?

Think I got my views on them all.


This.

Personally, if he wins, I think I'm moving to a non-U.S. deserted island.
The guy just scares me with his junk politics.


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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 7:25:20 PM   
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RE: Let's make an assumption...Romney wins - 10/26/2012 7:30:05 PM   
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For all those who wonder about or support what would happen if Romney won.

what policies has he stated that are or could be realistic.

1) Could he really appeal Obamacare?

2) Labeling China a currency manipulator, does it have any real effects? Knowing that the law has such a provision already, and that negotiations on currency have been going for a long time, does it have any effect?

3) Increasing the military budget by 2 Trillion dollars and cutting the budget to a balanced position?

4) Balancing the budget while continuing and increasing tax cuts with increased expenditures on the military?

5) Giving the burdens of health care to the states? Can states handle the expense?





So with the tone of the thread set aside, let's go through these. I'll take the liberty of re-phrasing the spin out of the questions as well, as required.

1) Flat out repeal of Obamacare? Not likely, but a Republican administration can monkey-wrench the hell out of the implementation, and probably push through some serious amendments to what we get. Mitt sure as shit could have Sebelius packed out of her office at HHS, before he and Anne would be done toasting with orange juice and sparkling cider at the inauguration balls.

2) Purely symbolic, but we can apply a fuckload more pressure on China than this administration has been willing to do. Yep. They hold chunk of our debt, but only have that kind of money to invest because of the access to our markets.

3) Using the money we've been spending to fight the wars, to get our military refreshed and re-equipped is the wise course of action, once we finally get the hell out of Afghanistan. It's also genuine stimulus spending, where we have something to show for the spending at the end of the day, as opposed to the stupid handouts, giveaways, and crony capitalism this administration has embraced.

4) Get the economy growing, get more money moving around for the government to pass it's sticky hands over and through, and we'll have ourselves a positive impact. We aren't going to grow our way out of a debt this big, but the inevitable inflation is going to help (though it's really going to suck for retirees, who thought they had a nice nest-egg). A well thought out rewrite of the tax code, in a healthy economic climate? Yeah. We could see a balanced budget.

5) The burden of healthcare is still on the individual, in this country, Mark, and it's bullshit to suggest that it should be a state obligation to carry, rather than regulate. It could work a lot better, and there are a lot of good ideas that should be explored. We also have the unpleasant fact that even with Steve Jobs money, we are all going to die. I am completely opposed to the mandate, for reasons I've gone over before, and I think single-payer is an idiotic invitation to fraud and a bureaucratic spiral into waiting longer for worse care, that costs even more, but I'm willing to talk nationalization, if the plan is right. We should let the states experiment for us.


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