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cloudboy -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/15/2006 5:38:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wytchywoman

Sexual desire, far from being an animal reaction, should be a self-revelation, and yes a celebration of what you hold in esteem. Sex is to love what action is to thought, possession to evaluation, body to soul. Sex is the preeminent form of bringing love into physical reality.

What is the value, where is the satisfaction of "fucking" someone whom you have nothing in common with but an itch that could more easily and less messily be satisfied by masturabation?


Thank you for dealing with Arpig's shill comment. I agree with you that meaningful sex is harmonizing and transcendent, that it deeply involves the people behind the physical act. Arguably the CMMB is all about how to achieve higher, more connected, deeper, and edgier relationships --- from analyzing profiles, email protocols, values, the meaning of language, and the acceptable elasticity of roles and relationships.

His was the first post I've ever read here where the whole thing was broken down to the assumption of "just fucking." In fact, if I had to say, BDSM at its core is all about NOT "just fucking."



MistressTheaZ -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/15/2006 6:23:53 PM)

(fast reply)

I've gotten similar questions about My profile, and for Me personally, I think it comes down to this: I am more than My sexuality. I'm more than what I feel. I'm more than what I think. I'm more than a just a Woman, or just a Dominant Woman, or just a registered Republican. ;) The sum of *all* the parts is Me. To some, it may be a walking contradiction, but then again, there is only so much one can explain via a one-dimensional written media.

The reason it's included in My profile is because whether I'm seeking a partner, playmate or friend, I want to be Me. Just Me. Compatibility is between two people, not two identities. How I reconcile and connect things in My life and heart is either something they can understand, share, and love Me for, or love Me despite, lol. With nothing to hide, I'd rather know that from the jump.

JMO ;)

~Thea




cloudboy -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/15/2006 6:50:42 PM)


What is the difference between libertarian politics and conservative politics? I theory there is a lot of overlap as applied to the political spectrum here in the US, although libertarians would be for more division between church and state and decriminalization of "self choice" behaviors: (drugs, assisted suicide, wearing motorcycle helmets, etc.)



NeedToUseYou -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/15/2006 7:14:57 PM)

I think the contradiction only lies in what a particular person thinks conservative values are.

I'd more identify as conservative than a liberal.
I'm conservative when it comes to fiscal policy(In theory conservative policy should be small government and in control debt, in other words against social programs as a general rule). A liberal policy is alot of social programs leading to big government. The current administration is about as conservative as hillary in this regard. In other words most using the conservative label don't display core conservative values in relation to government policy.

I'm conservative when it comes to general government policy(As in I'm against big government micromanaging individual rights and lives, this relates to taxes, welfare, grants, arbitrary laws(seat belts, manadatory insurance,  etc..) I'm all for reducing all those minor to major infractions on personal freedom). And I'm against gun control. Most "conservative" politicians are more liberal than conservative in there voting behaviour. So, to me conservatives aren't conservative enough in the areas it matters. I could care less about gay marriage, or religion. These are just fronts to get votes, not a core principle of the conservative political platform as I understand it.

From a more social perspective, I believe an intact family structure is best. Not a problem for me as I don't want to be a swinger, or poly. But this is less a conservative political value than just a sociological one.

Sex has nothing at all to do with my politics, I get annoyed when anyone in politics gets on that soap box.


I could go on but religion and sex have little to do with the conservative values I hold. The religion thing is just appealing to a large base of voters, personally I don't really think religion or sex has a place in politics for the most part and just distracts from real issues and problems. So, it's completely seperate in my head.  I'm not religious either, nor concern myself with the gay marriage type issues, as I don't even think government should be in that business at all.

The only way it would be a problem is if politics defined sexual behaviour and religion. Politics to me should be about different philosophies, on how to run government and the core functions thereof. Like defense, economy, social programs, that is entirely what my politics are based on. I get perturbed at anyone conservative or liberal that get in the running of personal lives game and sex. That is something government should have the minimum amout of intrusion. As really it isn't anyones business unless it's forced like rape.

So, what does that make me if 80% of the time I agree with core conservative issues, and 20% of the time I have a more liberal viewpoint.

I'd say I'd identify as a conservative then. I have a hard time believing liberals agree with everything self identified liberals do as well. Does that make them confused? As in a liberal that is sexually repressed and religious. Isn't that as much a contradiction as a conservative that is sexually liberated and non-religious. However, millions of such contradictions(not to me, because government politics really don't relate to sex), are walking around now.

I really think alot of people think conservative, and liberal mean something entirely different than the people identifying themselves as such believe it means.



MistressLorelei -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/15/2006 9:02:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

Sex has nothing at all to do with my politics, I get annoyed when anyone in politics gets on that soap box.



It has to do with the politics of many... like when sex results in pregnancy and abortion; or when the President (Clinton) is having it; where pornography is involved; when it's between two members of the same sex, or when sodomy is involved



MistressTheaZ -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/15/2006 9:30:56 PM)

Yep. Share much of the same as NeedToUseYou, mostly centering in areas of fiscal policy, foreign policy, gun rights, and abortion for Me personally.

While there may be a degree of overlap, a self-identified liberal may have some difficulty wrapping their mind around a pro-life, midwestern-born NRA member who voted for Bush and still doesn't regret it. *whistling*

The heavyweight issues are often ones W/we can't agree to disagree on

~Thea 



UtopianRanger -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/15/2006 9:31:49 PM)

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What is the difference between libertarian politics and conservative politics?


{Bait}Well.... just for starters, the libertarian is far less likely to deal in moral absolutes. And while most of your traditional conservatives are beholden to sense order and commonplace, the libertarians I know view a little anarchy as something that's good for the soul.



 - R



Estring -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/15/2006 10:33:42 PM)

The problem is cloudboy has the misconception as many do, that being conservative in your politics means you are some kind of repressed right wing lunatic who hates anything to do with sex. I would suggest that most conservatives would be a lot more fun in bed than most liberals. Here we go...[;)]



cacodylic -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/15/2006 11:13:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moloch
For me conservative politics means preserving the constitution.

that doesn't seem to be the goal [or even a concern] of our current crop of conservative politicians...



MasterKalif -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/15/2006 11:22:50 PM)

Estring...I totally agree with you....I consider myself "conervative" yet I support values that are supported by republicans and democrats....some would say I am more right wing...in any case I dislike president Bush for my own reasons as much as I dislike the "libertarian" ideals supported by some democrats....yet I am firmly in support of separation of church and state and do not like religion in politics....(I rather not say more of my political views as some would be downright scared or would not understand lol)....
in any case back to "sex"...[:)]



NeedToUseYou -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/16/2006 12:27:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

Sex has nothing at all to do with my politics, I get annoyed when anyone in politics gets on that soap box.



It has to do with the politics of many... like when sex results in pregnancy and abortion; or when the President (Clinton) is having it; where pornography is involved; when it's between two members of the same sex, or when sodomy is involved


Well, the abortion debate is really the only issue in your list, that oddly is mainly divided between the camps. And even then it's not a 100%. I'm pro-life personally, but I don't think there is a way to force that view on others, aside from extreme measures that would probably do more bad than good. So, I have to tolerate abortion though it is not a virtuous act in my book in the vast majority of cases. As far clinton getting a blowjob, well, shame on the republicans that made it a huge issue, and shame on Clinton and the democratics for condoning his lies under oath. That would have been done if George got caught with his pecker hanging out as well. So, it's not really a conservative/liberal thing, it's a politician seeing a weakness in a perceived enemy thing. And Tipper(spelling) Gore was the head of the PMRC, remember in the 80's that group that wanted to censor Ozzy, Prince,Twisted Sister, Motley Crue, etc... because it was destroying the children!!!(At the time that would have been me, LOL).  So,  not all liberals are open minded either. But you'd think that was the case, from the way some look at it. I actually remember watching the whole debate, quite funny.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipper_Gore

If a politicians main issue is that of gay marriage, pornography, sodomy,censorship, etc.... Well, he will never get my vote for the simple reason, that he/she obviously isn't thinking in the same vein that I am. So, to me it is a non-factor, and believe to alot of people such things are non-factors. As personally I don't care if gays marry, I don't care if someone participates in sodomy, I don't care if a president gets a blowjob, I don't care if someone is a chronic porn addict, and whacks off 10 times a day. And I really don't see how abortion can be eliminated completely, so to me limiting abortion to some rational degree makes sense to me. Some permanent common ground needs to be reached there. Though I doubt it as bad politicians love dividing issues. Actually my favorite politician in my short memory was ross perot, I loved his graphs and no nonsense style of speaking. I think he would of been the first conservative president this country has seen in decades. He addressed, true government concerns, and didn't pander to flash point issues.

But anyway, that's how I see it, and most of the self-identified conservatives, I know identify themselves pretty closely in those bounds. It's only the talking heads, and crazies on either side that are focused on what should be relatively small issues, and turn them into election making issues. That is wrong, and it's not just conservatives, it's both sides. I know democrats that would say they were liberal that hate gays by the way, I know racist ones to, I know ones that aren't racist or homophobic to. So, these false ideas that ones political designation is a indicator of ones views on sex, racism, tolerance of gays, simply isn't true at all.  At least in this area. Maybe I live in a bubble? The only indicator I've seen that would define a political difference is generally conservatives are for smaller government, and liberals are for more social programs which results in larger government. All the other differences seem to stem from that basic difference in philosphy. Except for the false differences that don't actually manifest themselves in the people I've talked to.




mkswing -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/16/2006 2:28:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Every now and then I browse through profiles here on CM. Just now I came across a FEMDOM who:

1) Lives for Female Supremacy

2) Loves Conservative Politics

3) Likes Cuckholding

4) Hates Polyamory

Somehow I had a really hard time fitting "female supremacy" and "cuckholding" into CONSERVATIVE POLITICS.

I am curious of your idle thoughts here. To me, female supremacy is to the left of feminism and cuckholding is to the left of gay marriage, making me wonder how exactly they lineup with Conservative Politics. Now I can see how hating polyamory is Conservative, but it seems a bit at odds with cuckholding. I am truly confused.

------

If you too have spotted bewildering profile contradictions while browsing the registered fare here at CM, please feel free to share.

http://www.collarme.com/bdsm/v/283298/rz/75115/details.htm





she must have meant "cock holding" which has nothing to do with conservative politics.[;)]



MistressTheaZ -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/16/2006 7:18:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Estring

The problem is cloudboy has the misconception as many do, that being conservative in your politics means you are some kind of repressed right wing lunatic who hates anything to do with sex. I would suggest that most conservatives would be a lot more fun in bed than most liberals. Here we go...[;)]


No flame here.

Agreed, and well-expressed. *smirk*  [:D]

~Thea



Moloch -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/16/2006 7:27:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cacodylic

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moloch
For me conservative politics means preserving the constitution.

that doesn't seem to be the goal [or even a concern] of our current crop of conservative politicians...


Yes unfortunatley the Dems and the Repubs are taking turns screwing our constitution.



cloudboy -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/16/2006 7:37:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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What is the difference between libertarian politics and conservative politics?


{Bait}Well.... just for starters, the libertarian is far less likely to deal in moral absolutes. And while most of your traditional conservatives are beholden to sense order and commonplace, the libertarians I know view a little anarchy as something that's good for the soul.



- R


This is a great distinction, because the libertarians I know have a wide "range of doubt" in their belief system, which makes them inherently more tolerant and open minded than the crowd needing and craving "moral certainty." Dostoevsky argued that doubt and struggle were the real linchpins of true faith and the search for truth, and in opposition to that he wrote THE GRAND INQUISITOR wherein organized religion decided on truths and beliefs for their obedient flocks.

In regards to other respondents, I know you can engage in any hobby or sexual activitiy and cast your vote for whomever --- but that still does not address the inherent contradictions in such behavior.



irishbynature -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/16/2006 7:46:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Quivver

fast reply......................
personally I dont get it, being conservative in vote has never required me to be kinkless..



I believe it's because BDSM allows freedom, freedom to be who you are....including heterosexual or homosexual relationships. In most conservative politics, the crowd tends to be  "anti-gay marriage, anti -gay" etc...denying  freedoms of individuals. This is why I could not  vote  conservative because  they  espouse these viewpoints; and  they also  simply seem to "hate" anyone who  is not like them.
Warmly,
Irish



IronBear -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/16/2006 8:02:32 AM)

I'll usually vote for the bloke who will restore individual rights and stay the hell away from my religion and lifestyle preferences.. Except that is to enact anti discrimination laws that are worth the paper they are written on...... As for the other nit picking they can keep them selves to them selves and try to establish their version of eutop[ia without interfering with mine... The right to life have a right to voice their oppinions but not to try to enforce their beliefs by ramming them down others who disagree or to blockade some one who is carrying out a lawful excercise..... Death to radicals and extremists and long life to moderates.... 



MistressTheaZ -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/16/2006 8:36:48 AM)

[/quote] Cloudboy said:
--snip--In regards to other respondents, I know you can engage in any hobby or sexual activitiy and cast your vote for whomever --- but that still does not address the inherent contradictions in such behavior. --snip--
[/quote]

BDSM may be a Lifestyle choice for some, but not for all. I don't live as Domme 24/7, and while that doesn't mean that I haven't lived full-time D/s, I don't wish to going forward. In the state where I most recently lived as well as the state I recently moved to, My choices within sexuality - even within traditional marriage, divorce, or child custody -don't particularly present an issue of concern legally.

I hardly see that as a contradiction. Tell Me if I'm missing something here, because I have no recollection of Republicans having a brouhaha about what I do in My bedroom, other than the ones I've tortured in there.

~Thea





cloudboy -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/16/2006 9:11:11 AM)


My point is not that conservatives cannot be into BDSM. My point is more that some people's profiles don't make sense to me because they seem contradictory. For instance, how can someone like cuckholding and hate polyamory? This is akin to liking judicial discretion and loving Anton Scalia.

Naturally subjectivist terms like "conservative politics" and "female supremacy" defy easy pigeonholing, but certainly you can see how "female supremacy" is at odds with conservatism, especially here in the US where strong women are like Hillary Clinton are demonized and birth control is seen as morally objectionable.

I sort of liked what BlkTallFullfig had to say, "When I have met extremely kinky men who are also conservative politically, they've been very cagey/closetted about their desires. At home he's into cuckoldry, and scat, and at work he's doing everything as on the straight and narrow as one can possibly do it." H

ere she basically implies its almost the norm for people to be contradictory. Maybe what doesn't make sense is trying to make sense of it.



MistressTheaZ -> RE: Profile Contradictions (6/16/2006 9:43:30 AM)

Yes, Cloudboy, but that is why people are the sum of the parts, and definitions tend to be subjective. *laugh*

I can see where someone may enjoy a cuck relationship but dislike a poly relationship, depending on how they are defining it, of course. A Woman may want to have NSA sexual experiences with other men to facilitate the cuckolding aspect of her primary relationship, but this doesn't mean She wishes to engage in a full-time or even part-time poly relationship with the subjects of Her exploits. In this way, they are a means to an end as well as a treat, but not a significant part of Her life. Perhaps She uses the tease of other men, camming, exchanging erotic e-mails/ calls/photos, or other non-contact forms of emotional manipulation to facilitate that aspect, who knows? ;)

I think there is more to being 'closeted' than just having inner conflict. Being outed professionally for being into kink isn't fun, nor is one's immediate family finding out, and I imagine all the senators caught with ProDommes lately isn't a debacle one would wish for if within the public eye. *chuckle*

I adore kink, and am active in the New York Scene, but do I need to express it at work or at home with family for Christmas? Time and a place, Cloudboy.....but that doesn't make Me repressed or contradictory. It is part of Me, and I choose to share it when and with whom I choose. ;)

~Thea




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