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Regarding Chamberlin and appeasement -

The English had to play the hand they were dealt, and at the time there wasn't much that England or the rest of the Europeans could do besides what they did, being caught on one foot. Remember the Soviets were the German allies at the time,

Would you care to tell us how the soviet union became the ally of germany?

Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Soviet Union signed on 23 August 1939.

In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol dividing Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland into German and Soviet spheres of influence, anticipating potential "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries. Thereafter, Germany and the Soviet Union invaded, on September 1 and 17 respectively, their respective sides of Poland, dividing the country between them. Part of southeastern (Karelia) and Salla region Finland was annexed by the Soviet Union after the Winter War. This was followed by Soviet annexations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertza region.

That answers my question not at all.

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What do you think would have happened if the Germans had not attacked Russia, and instead consolidated their conquests and continued the "Battle of Britain?"

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Then either state your objection to the answer or try to ask your question with greater clarity. Perhaps you have your own special definition of the word "ally"

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What do you think would have happened if the Germans had not attacked Russia, and instead consolidated their conquests and continued the "Battle of Britain?"

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What do you think would have happened if the Germans had not attacked Russia, and instead consolidated their conquests and continued the "Battle of Britain?"

They would have had their invasion fleet's ass spanked purple.

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What do you think would have happened if the Germans had not attacked Russia, and instead consolidated their conquests and continued the "Battle of Britain?"

They'd have won.

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What do you think would have happened if the Germans had not attacked Russia, and instead consolidated their conquests and continued the "Battle of Britain?"

They'd have won.
That doesn't alter the fact that you made a hugely incorrect statement about Germany beating the whole of Europe into submission, as they chose not to continue the "battle of Britain" or instigate operation sealion.

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What do you think would have happened if the Germans had not attacked Russia, and instead consolidated their conquests and continued the "Battle of Britain?"

They would have had their invasion fleet's ass spanked purple.

You will not find many English who studied the history claiming that would be the case.

The English revealed after the war that they could only stand against the German air attack for a week or two more when the Germans ceased. And the Germans ceased due to the planned attack on the Russians.

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What do you think would have happened if the Germans had not attacked Russia, and instead consolidated their conquests and continued the "Battle of Britain?"

They'd have won.

A cusory examination of operation sea lion will show that everytime germany began to assemble the landing craft necessary to cross the channel the raf would turn them into a pile of rubble. Germany's ability to support these landing craft was virtually non existant and what they did have would have been sent to the bottom of the channel by virtue of the britt radar and huge shore batteries. Hitler never had a prayer of a successful invasion of gb.
Russia,not gb had always been his goal as evidenced by his early writings. The only fly in the ointment was germany's believing it's own propaganda about the weakness of the soviet union.

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Actually, they ceased because their air force wasn't in much better shape than ours, and they didn't want it taking any more damage before they used it for air support in the invasion of Russia.

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You're confusing two separate things here.
The battle of britain was an aeriel conflict between the Luftwaffe and the RAF. It kicked the hell out of both, but left the RAF in much worse shape. If it had kept going longer, they most likely wouldn't have been in any sort of shape to deal with German landing craft, because there wouldn't have been much in the way of an RAF left.
Also, Germany had taken the channel islands, and was working on a tunnels rather than using landing craft at all.

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What do you think would have happened if the Germans had not attacked Russia, and instead consolidated their conquests and continued the "Battle of Britain?"

They'd have won.
That doesn't alter the fact that you made a hugely incorrect statement about Germany beating the whole of Europe into submission, as they chose not to continue the "battle of Britain" or instigate operation sealion.

They appear to have Europe pretty well beaten down on this map, especially as you admit they likely could take England -

[img]http://static.urbantimes.co/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/index.png[/img]

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Actually, they ceased because their air force wasn't in much better shape than ours, and they didn't want it taking any more damage before they used it for air support in the invasion of Russia.

The raf had superior aircraft, pilots of equal skill, and of course radar which allowed the raf to fight and return to base without long flights to the battle zone.

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party approved joining forces in Israel's coming parliamentary election with the party of ultranationalist Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, despite the opposition of Likud members who fear the move may backfire.

The new bloc combines Israel's two main right-wing parties in a bid to ensure that Mr. Netanyahu, already heavily favored to win re-election to a third term in office, emerges from the January vote as the sole party leader with the ability to form a majority in the 120-seat parliament.

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Netanyahu just formed an alliance with this band of reactionaries -

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party approved joining forces in Israel's coming parliamentary election with the party of ultranationalist Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, despite the opposition of Likud members who fear the move may backfire.

The new bloc combines Israel's two main right-wing parties in a bid to ensure that Mr. Netanyahu, already heavily favored to win re-election to a third term in office, emerges from the January vote as the sole party leader with the ability to form a majority in the 120-seat parliament.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204840504578086910726500562.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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I was just trashing youyr phoney assertions that there wasn't any reason to believe they're out of compliance.

False. Your initial claim, which I disputed and called on you to substantiate was "Iran should be strung up for threarening[sic] the nuclear proliferation treaty." (post #13)

Whatever your intentions, your manifest failure to back up this wild assertion with any evidence only succeeded in trashing your own credibility. Just in case there was any doubt about your intentions, you repeat your error:

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It must be frustrating having to continually be an apologist for a group of states that use Hezbollah, Hamas The Taliban and Al Qaeda
as their primary ambassadors.

If you read any of my posts, you will be familiar with the contempt I repeatedly express for all theocratic movements, including those so influential in your own country - the Religious Right. Again, the only thing trashed here is the cred of someone who would make such a nonsensical claim. It appears you are intent on turning self sabotage into a lifestyle. Good luck with that.