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ladylexington -> RE: minimum age for a sub? (6/18/2006 8:54:08 PM)

I will consider submissives in their early 20s if they demonstrate a deeper understanding of the lifestyle and show maturity beyond their years.




FelinePersuasion -> RE: minimum age for a sub? (6/18/2006 8:54:53 PM)

The group thing about age is a valid concern I remmber being 19 and 20 and having to play privatly because groups didn't allow under 21. But most groups here local and accesable are not under 21 but legal friendly. It's sad that happens And I don't really know why, But there's also predujice against highschoolers who're in the bdsm interest. Like me for instance I was still in highschool at 20. long story short  I started at the school hella late in the year.

BDSM places around here also don't want students still in highschool even if you are 21.
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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Not a direct reply but did anyone else see the report in today's newspapers about a Colorado appeals court deciding that common-law-marriage is acceptable for 15 year old girls and may be acceptable for 12 year old girls and 14 year old boys?!

Oh, my god! Many girls don't even have periods by age 12!

Made me think that I need to adjust what I said about legal age to consent to be something like through high school or the legal age.

Now this is a direct reply to FelinePersuasion:

I wouldn't go to a munch or a workshop or a BDSM organization that didn't allow adults (18-20) to attend their events. I mean, they are old enough to draft to fight the wars of chickenhawks but not to learn about BDSM face-to-face?




MistressJadeMTL -> RE: minimum age for a sub? (6/19/2006 9:28:56 AM)

I believe I should share my personal experience regarding my youngest sub, as it might prove insightful to some.

Now first, one shoud note that the legal drinking and voting age in Montreal and Quebec is 18, not 21 such as in many US States. 18 years is also the minimum age for entry into BDSM, Fetish and Swinger's clubs in Quebec and most of Canada.

My youngest sub "m" was only 19 when I first met him through CollarMe, however he was one of the very few to write a very detailed and intelligent message, with several paragraphs that clearly showed that he had read my lengthy profile in detail. After several online discussions, I decided to meet him at a local café and we hit it off extremely well -- (partially because we are both computer geeks!)

He came across as quite mature for his age and I discovered that he had *already* been interested in various aspects of kink for several years! Now I've met 30-yr old subs that acted like teenagers, so it was a refreshing change to meet a younger person with such maturity.

We have been together now for about 18 months, during which time I have spent considerable time educating him about the various psychological, emotional and physical aspects of the kink lifestyle. I have had him read numerous article as part of his kink education and write small essays regarding his thoughts about what he read. I wanted to make sure that he knew what he was getting into and that he was well-informed about his specific interests.

It was almost a year before I actually "played" with him; doing some very light bondage and light flogging, more as a sensual experience than as a full play session. It was very gentle and non-stressful and totally consensual and did not involved any sexual aspects. I wanted him to have a very positive memory of his first kink experience, so that no matter where he went on from here in his life, that he would be able to look back at it as a good starting point.

I have always stressed that his education comes first, as he is still in college; which has meant that we are not able to be together as much as we like -- but I have always said that he has the rest of his life to explore his kink, but only so many years to make a success out of school.

In fact, it was only this past weekend that he attended his first munch; as he had been rather nervous about them before. It was a smaller munch, only about a dozen people, which also meant it was less intimidating for him. He told me afterwards that he greatly enjoyed himself and is looking forward to attending more of them in the future.

My sub is now going on 21, and is slowly becoming more confident of his kink; to the point of realizing that he would like to learn more about domination someday, but is content to learn as a submissive first. He has even become a helpful resource to some of his friends who are discovering their "dark side", and points them to helpful online resources, such as CollarMe and other local kink sites, and encouraging them to attend munches. He also explains the finer points of BDSM etiquette to them, such as how to write thoughtful messages to potential Dommes, and how to "play safe" when meeting new people.

So I am sure that I am not the usual stereotype of an older Domme/younger sub model; but this is how I wanted to approach this relationship and it has worked *for us*. I have been approached and met numerous other young male subs (25 and under) and have yet to find one who was mature enough for me to feel that there was something to work with.

I believe that it would be relatively rare to find a sub under the age of 25 with enough maturity, who is well-informed and educated. In my case, I just made sure that he was well-informed by spending months educating him before we proceeded any further, and always in a consensual manner.

It would have to be something that is judged in a case-by-case scenario, and would greatly depend on the Domme and the sub and their respective maturity, education, compatibility and overall goals. I would also recommend not to overstep any legal restrictions regarding age in your local geographic location -- basically if they are old enough to vote, drink or serve in the military they are old enough to consider, *if* they have the required maturity.

I hope that sharing my personal experience with a younger sub has proven helpful to those interested in this topic...





MisPandora -> RE: minimum age for a sub? (6/19/2006 1:03:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo
I wouldn't go to a munch or a workshop or a BDSM organization that didn't allow adults (18-20) to attend their events. I mean, they are old enough to draft to fight the wars of chickenhawks but not to learn about BDSM face-to-face?

We have a number of munches in the area that are in a bar or a place licensed to sell liquor, so there are age limits.  I fully respect a group for limiting problems that would arise for a host gracious enough to open their doors to us.




MisPandora -> RE: minimum age for a sub? (6/19/2006 1:06:45 PM)

I find that female submissives are generally more mature at a younger age than males are.  There are always exceptions to this generalization.  My parameters for a female submissive are generally 18 to 30 to mentor, but preferably 21 to 30 for play.




thetammyjo -> RE: minimum age for a sub? (6/19/2006 1:35:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo
I wouldn't go to a munch or a workshop or a BDSM organization that didn't allow adults (18-20) to attend their events. I mean, they are old enough to draft to fight the wars of chickenhawks but not to learn about BDSM face-to-face?

We have a number of munches in the area that are in a bar or a place licensed to sell liquor, so there are age limits. I fully respect a group for limiting problems that would arise for a host gracious enough to open their doors to us.


I hear this time and again but the fact is that by choosing a bar or a place that sells alcohol the group decides it does not want someone under 21.

You can't meet in a regular restuarant?

I've hosted 2 different munches in two very difference locations (NYC & Indiana) for several years, a total of 9 years I believe in all. I made sure it was accessible to everyone of the legal -- this included being handicapped accessible too.

When a host chooses a location that limits based on age or handicap or income or religion or sex or color or anything else you can think if we send a message that not everyone is welcomed to learn about BDSM and to share their experience. I could not support that message by attending an event like that.

It may take more time and effort to find an accessible place but I think it is well worth it.




MisPandora -> RE: minimum age for a sub? (6/19/2006 3:00:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo
I hear this time and again but the fact is that by choosing a bar or a place that sells alcohol the group decides it does not want someone under 21.  You can't meet in a regular restuarant?

I think you've misunderstood -- they are not MY munches, so I'm not changing their location!

But to the meat and potatoes of your question -- there are about 8 different munches in the tri-state area.  Many of them meet in restaurants.  We even have a TNG munch locally.  It's not like they are starved for choices..... 

We're going to disagree here.  I personally think that it's well within the rights of a group to set parameters of who can attend or not attend.  Exclusivism of any sort (men only, female only, youth only, etc) is ok so long as it suits the groups purpose and needs of the individuals involved.  Me personally, I'm stuck in the middle and can't seem to get away from the 18 year olds OR the 60+ year olds!




Loyalslaveboy -> RE: minimum age for a sub? (7/6/2006 5:37:05 AM)

I was 16 when I first submitted to Mistress.

I found that age was not a factor, rather my desire to serve her was the deciding factor.




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