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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, I am going to quit eye-fucking you, just in case.  I don't want to blow up.

There is little she could do to stop me from "eye-fucking" her....and only the least amount of encouragement would translate it into reality fucking.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

The loss of life and the destruction of property from Hurricane Sandy is lamentable. But the images of long lines of cars approaching gasoline pumps and the voices of people on TV complaining they need food and water, raises the question of individual responsibility. It's not like they didn't have sufficient advanced warning. So, what's going on here? Was the lack of individual preparedness because they haven't experienced storms in a long time in NJ/NY/CT? They have had a nor'easter now and again. Are they just oblivious? Or does the blame lie with the surprising magnitude of the storm? What do you think? What's your experience?

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I hope that snark was aimed at the lad who can't spell "Gorean", not the poster with a Classical Studies A level?

Young man it was aimed directly at you but it was anything but snark. Your public school heritage is manifest in your posts and always a pleasure to read.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

The loss of life and the destruction of property from Hurricane Sandy is lamentable. But the images of long lines of cars approaching gasoline pumps and the voices of people on TV complaining they need food and water, raises the question of individual responsibility. It's not like they didn't have sufficient advanced warning. So, what's going on here? Was the lack of individual preparedness because they haven't experienced storms in a long time in NJ/NY/CT? They have had a nor'easter now and again. Are they just oblivious? Or does the blame lie with the surprising magnitude of the storm? What do you think? What's your experience?

My experience, and I suspect your's as well, is that the question of individual responsibility before, during and after Hurricane Katrina was a moot issue for liberals (including Barack Husseing Obama) and the mainstream-media who put all the responsibility for the lamentable suffering on Bush and FEMA. Why not on Obama and FEMA now?

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My experience, and I suspect your's as well, is that the question of individual responsibility before, during and after Hurricane Katrina was a moot issue for liberals (including Barack Husseing Obama) and the mainstream-media who put all the responsibility for the lamentable suffering on Bush and FEMA. Why not on Obama and FEMA now?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, I am going to quit eye-fucking you, just in case.  I don't want to blow up.

There is little she could do to stop me from "eye-fucking" her....and only the least amount of encouragement would translate it into reality fucking.

But Huntie, you have always been the optimist, the dreamer when considered between us.

Charles Laughton

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I hope that snark was aimed at the lad who can't spell "Gorean", not the poster with a Classical Studies A level?

Young man it was aimed directly at you but it was anything but snark. Your public school heritage is manifest in your posts and always a pleasure to read.

Mea culpa. I wasn't sure whether you meant public school in the British or Stateside sense.
(And thank you.)

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Has the current president refused a fully equiped hospital ship from cuba as the previous administration did after katrina?

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ORIGINAL: TheGorenSociety

Having worked both as a contractor for FEMA and as a employee things have gotten more fucked up since katrina then before. FEMA  is worthless special interest agency like most of them these days. The whole system is rigged. 

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~FS
I can't imagine how you guys and gals in the mid-west prepare for tornadoes. Would love to hear from you.

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Those of you who think it is possible for an entire population to plan in advance for every and all eventualities in a disaster are misguided.

This thread is not about entire populations.
It is about INDIVIDUAL preparedness.
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Ah, but here is the thing. You are basing your conclusions by looking at what the overall population is doing. In other words, what do you actually know about any given individual in the gas line? You don't know squat. You are seeing a population of people in line, and making conclusions about what went on for each of them. So if we want to talk populations, let's do that. You are seeing a line of people and drawing a conclusion about each of their individual preparedness. How exactly does that work. Go interview everyone in line and get back to us. Because without knowing exactly what each individual did, you cannot draw the conclusion that you are drawing.

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Until people become self reliant, their is no way the
government will be forced to be compliant in their servitude towards their owners.When the Roman empire  became a entitlement society, it slowly died a agonizing death.Do not mis understand my point, I am not saying the poor,  the weak, sick, mentally or otherwise, do not deserve or need the help of government,.However  we as a society are using the worst possible advocate, disorganized, wasteful solution we can devise.

Most ignorant post of the day...but then the day is young. Before you post again perhaps a few classes in roman history would disabuse your post of further ignorance.
Perhaps a few classes in history and sociology would help you to understand why people form themselves into societies instead of remaining as "individualist"

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I hope you are in a non-smoking building, fucktoy.   My point obviously being that there are many things that are stored differently in urban societies for the efficiency and convinience of 99.9999999999% of the days of your life, that; should everything go smooth......hells bells!!!! but that one exception is hard to deal with.

Look at the callahan and sumner tunnels in boston, under the charles to go to and from the airport and surrounding environs, one goes to, and one goes fro, and cars whiz thru there like a motherfucker......until one (exception) breaks down in the tunnel.  Then it is clusterfuck city usa. for hours, and hours.

And we pretty much plan for and design to the normal, and have things like FEMA and so on, for abnormal.  We used to plan for not war, but not sure why we are where we are.

Yes, agreed. When we speak of being "properly prepared" there are many notions wrapped up in this phrase. Being properly prepared does not mean one might still not end up in the low probability situation. Being properly prepared does not assume being prepared for 100% of potential outcomes in any given situation. And being properly prepared for one thing, is not the same thing as being properly prepared for something else. Post hoc, very easy to go around saying people were not prepared. But beforehand, we are only ever dealing with probabilities, and if you are prepared for most things, you and I would agree, that is "properly prepared", because it is just not possible, feasible, affordable, or even, I would argue, desirable to be prepared for the .000000000001% event. Obviously, others have a different perspective on preparedness.

Anyway, rest assured that I do not have a tank in my living room. But it appears that some on this thread think I should. [&:]

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In my mind, tornadoes and hurricanes are impossible to compare. One, the hurricane, lets you know it's on it's way. You have time to do stuff. A tornado is different in that, they can just pop up in minutes and tear your shit to smithereens. Then poof, gone. If you don't have some sort of storm warning system, you may not even know about it. We've had them blow by the farm at night and never know anything about it until the next morning. They are kinda like russian roulette.

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Now, as for the current disaster. To ME......it's not as much what the weather did, but where. That mother of a storm smacked the most densely populated part of our country. You've got millions of people literally stacked upon one another. Millions of people living in apartments. Living like that, you just cannot prepare the way we, here in the rural Midwest, can.

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ORIGINAL: TheGorenSociety

I was referring to the complete and total crap you have to jump through to get anything done. The problem with katrina was after the first Bush, the Clinton admin placed a lot more red tape into the FEMA  procedures and States requiring help.When the newer Bush son came in, he never got rid of any of that red tape and only added to the problem. I was on the ground before the Katrina landed and had to sit and watch the fiasco as the Feds and States quarreled on splitting thin hairs. The city of New Orleans refused to give an inch and behind closed doors away from the cameras spent endless hours wasting time. We would ask critical time sensitive questions for logistics and we would not get a solid answer for hours or even days. The politicians and middle management was more interested in playing before the cameras then actually doing their jobs.  Case in point I had 30 school buses from Florida ready and willing to go in and start pulling people from the stadium. But could not get anyone to give us fuel to get their.So I got pissed off and went and procured fuel. I had secured three tankers to refuel them and several other reefers with ice, drinks, food. When I came back from the OC  someone from the city had confiscated the fuel with a bogus state order. That is just one case.We moved my team 5 times in a week  because of the revolving musical chairs of the upper leadership at the state level.I eventually walked off the job after I was being pushed too far for rescuing some elderly from a assisted living facility with out the proper medical personnel and vehicles . 

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These occurrences are COMMON. The only response to these societal failures is, as the OP suggests, ADVANCED PREPAREDNESS, not a reactionary response.

Those of you who think it is possible for an entire population to plan in advance for every and all eventualities in a disaster are misguided. I think even with best efforts, depending on how the disaster unfolds, you will end up with emergency situations. I don't know of a single disaster in the U.S. or even in other countries, like Japan, where it was possible to plan for everything for everyone in advance. I am personally unaware of any natural disaster where not a single person found themselves in an emergency situation that was solely due to their personal situation alone. If any of you are aware of even one example from history, whether in the U.S. or outside, I would appreciate a reference. Thanks.