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Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Pa... - 11/3/2012 12:59:11 AM   
BenevolentM


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Status: offline 		What do I want this thread to be about? It's about Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals. This is a call for objectivity. Objectively speaking it is true. I am not making any subtle references here to the Presidential candidates per se, but to all the partisans taken as a whole, and you know who you are, that is everyone whose into politics. Mathematically speaking, the assholes plus all the closet assholes taken as a single group. The group that gropes!

In one way or another, I figure you are an irritating asshole or an irritating asshole in the making. It doesn't matter what your party affiliation is. The very notion of a party, that is clique, suggests this. Either you belong to the clique or you don't. So if you are a moderate, you have an uphill battle. I'm a moderate by way. The most dangerous place with respect to a party system is moderacy. Moderacy is often seen as a form of delinquency or idiocy. It isn't safe to be a moderate, yet it is often the place you need to be if you stand for truth.

Your pain threshold must be high so you can put up with all the bull shit, that is thick skinned. By the way, do as I preach, not as I do. Notice please that we live in a world that is risk adverse. So what is the natural tendency for risk adverse peoples? Their politics becomes extreme which means you either have a one party state where you get things done, but ultimately it doesn't work out because its leaders prove to be nuts. How could it have worked out when the underlying politics was so extreme? Or you get the next best alternative, a two party system where each party is perpetually at each others throats. Doesn't sound like a recipe for success. It is a recipe for success when both sides are able to appreciate the other, but not when they are forever at each others throats. There is a reason why the risk adverse are often called cowards. They are unwilling to take responsibility and take the bull by the horns and master the bull.

For disclosure sake I do not regard Obama as a true moderate since if he was he would have better understood the Republicans and what they value. I'm hoping that Romney might be a true moderate, but the keyword here is might. I know that Obama isn't so the benefit of the doubt goes to Romney.

So what is my advise to you if you decide to run for public office? Master the Bull.

So tell me what do you think the Republicans get right? Since the goal is to be objective, share with us also your honest appraisal of the Democrats and if you know anything about the Libertarians give your input on that too.

Then on the same token, tell us what the Republicans get wrong, then proceed onto discussing, much as you did earlier, the Democrats and perhaps also the Libertarians.
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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:16:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		The true He-Men are moderates. On that same token, many moderates are just like their brothers in politics, however. Not all moderates are He-Men, but some moderates are true He-Men.

What I wrote earlier may seem counter-intuitive. Everyone knows that conservatives are risk adverse, but can a liberal be risk adverse? It's just the flip side of the coin. One is worried about themselves and the other about the community. Both expressions are manifestations of risk aversion.

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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:17:20 AM   
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Notice please that we live in a world that is risk adverse. So what is the natural tendency for risk adverse peoples?


I see that you have been exposed, directly or indirectly, to the university language mangling system.

One is averse to risk, or whatever else, by way of having an aversion to risk, or whatever else.

One does not have an adversion to risk, or to anything else, though one might have an adverse reaction to seeing this sort of mangling as besot the language by 'journalists' and such. Who are taught at the universities.

I am well aware that there is a large faction within the universities who are stanch proponents of many things deleterious to the language, while I myself am a staunch proponent of stanching the flow of such devolution of society.

What were you saying?




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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:22:21 AM   
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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:24:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		So what I'm saying is that it is wise to manage risk, but it is also morally dangerous. One must not be too risk adverse. I suppose I could point out a few passages in the Bible that mention this. I recall a man that Jesus invited to become one of His followers. The man was risk adverse and chose not to follow Jesus though Jesus addressed the man as a friend, as a man who had followed all of the commandments. Through this the man denied God.

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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:26:24 AM   
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What do I want this thread to be about? It's about Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals.

First of all, I would like to thank you for clearing that up. It will doubtless prove welcome.

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So what is my advise to you if you decide to run for public office? Master the Bull.

Some may say that is not possible, but I hope they will take heart: clearly you have done it.

K.

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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:34:41 AM   
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One does not have an adversion to risk, or to anything else, though one might have an adverse reaction to seeing this sort of mangling as besot the language by 'journalists' and such. Who are taught at the universities.

Actually, one might have an adversion to many things, though most definitely one would have an adverse reaction to seeing the sort of mangling inflicted on the language by certain posters. Who cannot form a sentence.

K.



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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:35:18 AM   
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You have it wrong.

The man didn't choose to not follow Jesus because he was risk 'adverse'; the fact is that Jesus wanted nothing to do with him because he was averse to such half-wits as couldn't understand not-that-hard-to-understand distinctions and differences existing within a person's first language.

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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:38:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems to me that this isn't news. Being politically disenfranchised is the new black. This disenfranchisement however isn't an authentic disenfranchisement, its still built on the ideological divide of 'right and left', as though politics is only a conversation about the identification with and organization of political parties within the state. This assumption is the danger, it's the most anti-political stance one can take. It's a position of deep political servitude in the guise of "free thinking". It strikes me that the person who makes a claim to objectivity is usually the most ideological.

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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:41:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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One does not have an adversion to risk, or to anything else, though one might have an adverse reaction to seeing this sort of mangling as besot the language by 'journalists' and such. Who are taught at the universities.

Actually, one might have an adversion to many things, though one most certainly would have an adverse reaction to seeing the sort of mangling inflicted on the language by certain posters. Who cannot form a sentence.

K.



You are asking one who understands how music can change tense in mid-motif or mid-theme, no one thinking anything of it in that realm, to adjust to the ...

nevermind.

The "besot" thing; no way could I find the tense I was seeking there.


But in any event, I'm taking the comment above as your recognition of the proper sentence forming of all the other posters here, as indicated by lack of comment thereto.

PS

At least you won't see me spelling "noone" as attempt at "no one."

Peter Noone was a hilarious guy, in the shows I worked with him. No one like him, in some regards.

I can form a sentence, for those not too picky. Someday I'll be good enough for the internet, where substance doesn't matter.





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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:48:07 AM   
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I'm taking the comment above as your recognition of the proper sentence forming of all the other posters here, as indicated by lack of comment thereto.

Oh please, I have a life yanno!

Actually, I don't so much mind people mangling the language. It just seems rather funny when they mangle their objection to someone else's mangling. Chalk it up to my sense of humor.

K.

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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 1:57:53 AM   
Edwynn


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Status: offline 		Glad I entertained you in our brief time on the spheroid together. I'm not being snarky in that.

I am admittedly overly bothered by "reporter-speak" sometimes.

If you watch-listen to it all the time, you don't notice, even if you initially know better.


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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 2:15:10 AM   
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I am admittedly overly bothered by "reporter-speak" sometimes.

What kills me about TV news is the way they just mash every-fucking-thing together as if it was all of equal importance.

Breathless anchor:
    Top stories coming up next...
    TWELVE TROOPS KILLED IN EXPLOSION, BRAD PITT GETS A NOSE JOB
    Full details when we return...
I mean, ferfucksake!

K.


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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 2:47:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		The following will make some uncomfortable. It was once the Will of God that I become a witch and it was the Will of God to one day meet Christ to be converted even though I had never denied Him. How can one call meeting Christ as anything less than a conversion even if you were already a Christian? This will be hard for some to swallow, but I became a witch out of obedience to God. Hence, I never denied Him. When I say I met Christ I speak of this literally though I also speak of it much as a shaman would. I know of some of the things spoken of in the Bible first hand.

To get to my point proper. When I said "Master the Bull" I was making an indirect reference to a Tarot card, namely The Chariot. Some would say that such an attainment is impossible.

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... the mood of the card may be characterized as that of conquest. It represents a battle that can be won if the Querent has the willpower for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chariot_%28Tarot_card%29


So what I am saying is that it can be done if we have the willpower for it.

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Qualities needed to win the battle include self-reliance, righteousness, conviction and plain hard work. ... Waite describes the charioteer as conquest on all planes — in the mind, in science, in progress, and thus able to reply to the riddles of the sphinx ... we are the Hero of our own story; maybe the Hero of everyone’s story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chariot_%28Tarot_card%29


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You have it wrong.

The man didn't choose to not follow Jesus because he was risk 'adverse'; the fact is that Jesus wanted nothing to do with him because he was averse to such half-wits as couldn't understand not-that-hard-to-understand distinctions and differences existing within a person's first language.


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Moderacy is often seen as a form of delinquency or idiocy.


This is well understood by Christians. It is according to the Divine Plan that my place in this world will be ambiguous. What I am saying is closer to Scripture than some realize and it may brand me a heretic. I, however, affirm Scripture.

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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 3:16:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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I am admittedly overly bothered by "reporter-speak" sometimes.

What kills me about TV news is the way they just mash every-fucking-thing together as if it was all of equal importance.

Breathless anchor:
    Top stories coming up next...
    TWELVE TROOPS KILLED IN EXPLOSION, BRAD PITT GETS A NOSE JOB
    Full details when we return...
I mean, ferfucksake!

K.




I was born differently, was/am overly sensitized to various stimuli, have pitch memory, etc., so I just can't listen to much of that stuff anymore. One of my German teachers is about the most well-balanced person I know, intelligent to boot, and he says he leaves the TV on all the time. My (recently departed) cousin was also of very even temperament; again, she left the TV on all the time. I cannot comprehend this, the most idiotic drivel, as I hear it, playing into other, if anything, more intelligent people, and they can/could listen to it with no trouble. They notice such things as what you point out, but they just laugh at it.

They just say all that stuff to root people like me out.




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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 4:23:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I am admittedly overly bothered by "reporter-speak" sometimes.

What kills me about TV news is the way they just mash every-fucking-thing together as if it was all of equal importance.

Breathless anchor:
    Top stories coming up next...
    TWELVE TROOPS KILLED IN EXPLOSION, BRAD PITT GETS A NOSE JOB
    Full details when we return...
I mean, ferfucksake!

K.




I was born differently, was/am overly sensitized to various stimuli, have pitch memory, etc., so I just can't listen to much of that stuff anymore. One of my German teachers is about the most well-balanced person I know, intelligent to boot, and he says he leaves the TV on all the time. My (recently departed) cousin was also of very even temperament; again, she left the TV on all the time. I cannot comprehend this, the most idiotic drivel, as I hear it, playing into other, if anything, more intelligent people, and they can/could listen to it with no trouble. They notice such things as what you point out, but they just laugh at it.

They just say all that stuff to root people like me out.


Edwynn I evaded my true motivating for writing this thread when I wrote it. It concerns an objection I have to conservative talk shows, radio and television. I say to myself, the Christian right identifies with these people?

There is a correlation between masculinity and irritability due to the male hormone. Single males are often more irritable than those who have a spouse and family. I don't know if you are single or married Edwynn.

I have noticed that I can tolerate films better because their is music and the voices aren't as dissonant. Films are made to be enjoyed. Conservative talk radio? Enjoyable?

I know how Romney might be able to make peace with the liberals. Do something to help these monsters off the air. If he wants PBS off the air, make a deal. If you want PBS off the air, do something to put conservative talk radio off the air. Admittedly, in the past I've occasionally enjoyed listening to, never mind. The cruelty of women upset me and he's a male chauvinist. Yeah, yeah, you are right! They are Nazis. Under the Clinton administration, however, he made fun of the President's daughter and, in effect, called her a dog. It's the so-called truth of our present culture.

Why conservative talk radio has blossomed is clearly a reaction to liberals and their so-called truth. Everyone is saying to the other, here choke on it.

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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 4:26:39 AM   
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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 4:31:34 AM   
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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 4:45:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I hear what you say, regarding the OP, I guess.

If one were to go by what transpires in this and other forums, a conclusion that 'liberals' are congenital assholes would be quite understandable.

From what I can see, so-called conservatives are good at 'blaming the victim' in a broad sweep, as part of the ideology, whereas some noticeable number of 'liberals' lurk behind their facade of 'compassion,' then suddenly come out to attack the victim on a sporadic, ad hoc, opportunistic , and especially, personal basis.

When people hide behind ideology, whatever it is, I've come to expect that assholes abound, regardless.

Oh, the frustration in lacking the mental capacity for understanding issues on basis of merit, efficacy, etc.


Ideology serves the purpose of alleviating the need for people to have to think rationally. Please spare us that burden.



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RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals... - 11/3/2012 4:55:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why might Romney go along with it? Because he's a Christian. Notice that the 700 club isn't as acoustically grating as most conservative talk shows are though the programming may be semantically grating to some. Call it an acquired taste.

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