RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1)

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Edwynn -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/3/2012 5:01:00 AM)
Both spirituality and 'secular' ideology have been commodified, advertized, and shares in it auctioned for sale, in one manner or another, for some many centuries.

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/3/2012 5:41:37 AM)
Though he was a friend to God and the community because the man had obeyed the law to the letter the man had done so because he was a coward. A coward will deny God. Risk aversion is a moral hazard. Have you ever watched the beloved, albeit liberal, television series M.A.S.H.? quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn Both spirituality and 'secular' ideology have been commodified, advertized, and shares in it auctioned for sale, in one manner or another, for some many centuries. This is to be expected. It was true when Jesus was alive and will be true until the second coming. It is not the existence of the problem, but how it is managed. Romney is a business man and as such I think he could relate to such words. Some fear that he will take their pornography from them. Gosh, wouldn't that be an end to your world. That said, I don't see him turning it into a crusade. That seems a little jingoistic. I wanted to verify that I got the spelling right and I had a chuckle when I came across this one. quote: Mitt Romney-Official Site Help Romney Get America Back to Work. Donate $5 Now! www.MittRomney.com jin·go·ism (jngg-zm) n. Extreme nationalism characterized especially by a belligerent foreign policy; chauvinistic patriotism. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/jingoistic Retrieved 03 November 2012

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/3/2012 6:17:02 AM)
I didn't want to reply immediately to Kirata since I didn't want to post too much and not leave room for others to post, me wise and then I proceeded to bury the thread in posts. It just comes natural to me, I could talk a drunk under the table. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn I am admittedly overly bothered by "reporter-speak" sometimes. What kills me about TV news is the way they just mash every-fucking-thing together as if it was all of equal importance. Breathless anchor: Top stories coming up next... TWELVE TROOPS KILLED IN EXPLOSION, BRAD PITT GETS A NOSE JOB Full details when we return... I mean, ferfucksake! K. What Kirata was exceedingly on point. Most people I'm guessing understand why this occurs generally speaking. They want as wide an audience as possible and there are people who will generally regard what Brad Pitt does as way more important. It is also something that happens to intellectuals who have given into moral relativism. It's the, "I don't care if the person prays to a toaster." Truth and risk aversion just don't mix. They cry, it's just too hard! Then fall into sin. The same is true for conservative talk radio. It's too risky. People will stop listening to us. The advertisers won't pay their hard earned money on us. What would Jesus have told you? Give up your money and power. It isn't important. Walking with me is. Jesus knew that his prescription will often result in your ruin as a man and so did the early Christians. What woman would want you? My initial mode wasn't religious. Technically speaking, a logical argument is logical because a quote from the movie TRON may help. Don't do this at home folks, either the bank where you have your school loan at or the university where you got your diploma may revoke your diploma. quote: TRON 2010 Zuse has been around since the earliest days of the gaming grid. By necessity, he has to mind all the percentages. All the angles. http://www.subzin.com/quotes/TRON%3A+Legacy/By+necessity,%0D%0A+he+has+to+mind+all+the+percentages. Zuse after saying this betrays Sam Flynn. So where do the writers get this nonsense? People have dealt with risk averse intellectuals for centuries. It's an old story. This is what they do. They stab you in the back. So is logical truth, THE TRUTH? It is more complicated than this.

slvemike4u -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/3/2012 8:41:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn I am admittedly overly bothered by "reporter-speak" sometimes. What kills me about TV news is the way they just mash every-fucking-thing together as if it was all of equal importance. Breathless anchor: Top stories coming up next... TWELVE TROOPS KILLED IN EXPLOSION, BRAD PITT GETS A NOSE JOB Full details when we return... I mean, ferfucksake! K. Brad Pitt got a nose job? It looks so damm natural .

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/3/2012 12:25:18 PM)
quote: Sacred bull The worship of the Sacred Bull throughout the ancient world is most familiar to the Western world in the biblical episode of the idol of the Golden Calf. The Golden Calf after being made by the Hebrew people in the wilderness of Sinai, were rejected and destroyed by Moses and his tribe after his time upon the mountain peak (Book of Exodus). Marduk is the "bull of Utu". Shiva's steed is Nandi, the Bull. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_bull

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 4:12:12 AM)
quote: All experience has shown that mankind is more disposed to suffer -- while evils are sufferable -- than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. American Declaration of Independence I would say this is clearly true, but dangerous when combined with moral relativism. The combination I do not believe was ever intended because the combination implies a free for all where you attack everything because it is impossible to rid the world of evil. Only those who are unable to acknowledge the existence of Sin will have difficulty with this concept. Sin is deeply entrenched in the fabric of this world and the source of suffering. Those who adhere to moral relativism, however, maintain that suffering derives from ignorance. The two concepts overlap, but not fully. The interpretation of the passage in the Bible that I put forth earlier where the man is dense to the truth is in my opinion indicates the presence of this infection.

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 4:26:34 AM)
When all is equal there is nothing sacred for all things are evil.

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 4:32:36 AM)
Moral relativism thus becomes the evil you prefer over the evil you do not. Morality as a preference as opposed to a duty. The religious right has pursued this agenda as well. You have a duty to truth and not simply a duty to become the reflection of the other.

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 4:35:36 AM)
When all is equal people are assholes. Is this a thing to be encouraged or discouraged? For the sake of freedom? To achieve what? Spiritual enlightenment?

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 6:21:28 AM)
According to moral relativism you have a right to reciprocity, but when morality is a duty instead of a preference things are different. The right to reciprocity is unclear. If a wrong is done you, you are still obligated to do no wrong. Conservative talk shows are, however, a response to liberal thinking. Conservative talk shows are upholding their right of reciprocity. Under moral relativism their behavior is justified. Neither the conduct of the conservatives nor the liberals are consistent with the teachings of Christ, however, and their ways are a prescription for eternal conflict.

mnottertail -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 6:23:39 AM)
Does the trees moving make the wind blow? What is quality, grasshopper? Who let the dogs out?

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 6:34:13 AM)
Is there a way out? Yes, there is. Become Sin averse. The opposing parties in the conflict are risk averse, not Sin averse. Understanding the difference is important.

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 6:46:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Does the trees moving make the wind blow? What is quality, grasshopper? Who let the dogs out? Does the trees moving make the wind blow? No due to a one-to-many relationship. The wind causes many effects. That the trees move in response to the wind is only one effect of many. What is quality? That is the sort of question that could stymie a philosopher since quality is so basic. A quality determines which side of the fence an object resides. Who let the dogs out? There are pat answers to this, but I fail to see how mentioning them would be useful.

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 7:02:57 AM)
Equality brings emphasis to the lowest common denominator. At our lowest common denominator, human beings are assholes. That is only at our lowest common denominator, however. Acceptance of standards that divide human beings into morally base and morally superior raises us from the cesspit. The only real question is not which extreme is preferable, but where the optimum lies. A moderate strives to achieve this optimum. Moderacy can imply agnosticism, but this is not what I am referring to. I alluded to it earlier. Agnosticism is just another form of risk aversion.

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 10:38:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Who let the dogs out? There are pat answers to this, but I fail to see how mentioning them would be useful. I evaded the question, but there is something I believe that could be added that would be useful, prosperity. For example, in Scripture a correlation some say exists between wealthy communities and accusations of immoral conduct. With wealth comes the idea that maybe it's time to let our hair down. Though a wealthy community can better afford the consequences of Sin, Sin has consequences that can easily destroy the wealthiest community, nations, world or even the galaxy if our economy were to ever grow so large and I'm speaking in scientific terms. It is like what happened in the recent financial collapse. They forgot that the wages of Sin is destruction and they did Sin. A time came when there wasn't enough money in the whole world to compensate for all the wrongs. This process can be very easily described mathematically. If you don't believe it, you are living a lie. I briefly watched the Party Convention of the Libertarian party. I recall Steve Forbes giving a seemingly persuasive argument where he explained that it was not Wall Street who was the culprit, but it was the government. He said to say that greed was at fault was like saying that gravity causes air plane crashes. This is altogether not untrue, but also overly convenient. It's great spin for the Libertarian party, but is it the truth? Was the government the weak link in the chain or was everyone guilty? Wall street was much too risk averse to do the right thing. They waged no war against the Sinful ways of government (except for the usual whining). For this they are guilty as Hell. What Steve Forbes showed was that if you are going to condemn Wall Street, also condemn the government. It seems that Hell is going to be a crowded place. So too are the Libertarians full of it. So to get out of having Sinned all you need do is point fingers?

BenevolentM -> RE: Conservatives are Assholes, but so too are Liberals (Part 1) (11/4/2012 10:50:41 AM)
We tend to believe that we can have as comfortable and fulfilling life as we can without constraint, but this is not true. Some things, though they may be perceived as beneficial to our life, are no good.

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