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feline -> Insecurities (11/5/2004 11:17:45 AM)

After talking with several subs, I have discovered that most have some kind of insecurity.

So my question to you is this;

What do you do to quell these insecurities? (yes I realize this is a very open question, I'm hoping for many different replies)

Take care,


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INSIDEYOURMIND -> RE: Insecurities (11/5/2004 11:29:54 AM)

It would seem to me that there are many triggers leading to someone having insecurities, so I think you need to be more specific.
Where does your insecurity lie, is it because you are not getting a good feeling from your Master? Do you have this insecurity in any other relationship you have?




feline -> RE: Insecurities (11/5/2004 12:31:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: INSIDEYOURMIND

It would seem to me that there are many triggers leading to someone having insecurities, so I think you need to be more specific.
Where does your insecurity lie, is it because you are not getting a good feeling from your Master? Do you have this insecurity in any other relationship you have?




Hhmmm . . . well you see, the ladies and I have various issues stemming anywhere from Family life(growing up), Past relationships to Present relationships. This is why I generalized my question.

I guess you could say I'm asking "you" to pull from your own experiences with diffrent issues. Maybe you could expound on one you have dealt with. If not, I thank you for your time. Sorry I could not be more direct for you.

Take care,


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MrThorns -> RE: Insecurities (11/5/2004 12:37:02 PM)

One removes insecurities by building confidence. A lot of the time it reuires exposure to the area in which they may feel insecure. If they are insecure about their physical appearance, perhaps the best solution is to make a slave wear a sexy, skimpy little outfit or nothing at all while at home. The urge to cover up may be there, but the point is to get them feeling comfotable in their own skin. The trust is built in that the dominant isnt leaving because of her physical appearance.

Another insecurity may be in regards to finances. A slave has problems paying her bills. Okay. In this example, perhaps sitting down and taking the time to show her how to do it, when to mail them out, when to check her balance, etc. Once she has the skills, have her pay the bills and reenforce the good behavior with play, allowing her to orgasm, whatever suits the particular relationship. The confidence built by completeing tasks to the satisfaction of the dominant will slowly chip away at a lot of those insecurities.

~Thorns




Estring -> RE: Insecurities (11/5/2004 3:21:41 PM)

In my experiences, many (not all) subs/slaves I have known have had some type of abuse in their past. It could be physical, mental or sexual. Many of their insecurities have stemmed from this.
As for quelling these insecurities, if it is bad enough, I don't think it is possible without some type of therapy.




SentForu -> RE: Insecurities (11/5/2004 8:18:02 PM)

I'll be the "outted" person here. I have insecurities, some trust issues. Those come from really bad past relationships. When most of your relationships have been with very dishonest people, that can be common. I had a wonderful childhood. Raised by a single mom, we still got all the love we needed. So, it has nothing to do with that. Just my experiences with men in general. I do blame that on myself as well. If a person tends to date a certain type of man, they get what they ask for. I'm just getting out of that rut myself. It takes time to realize what you were doing wrong. So, possibly in changing my preferences, I'll avoid those. Then insecurities, hopefully start to heal. Besides, situations like that, tend to make you a stronger person. Insecure, sure...yet, strong enough to make better choices. Sorry, I totally went off the subject...[:)]




sub4hire -> RE: Insecurities (11/6/2004 7:44:17 AM)

As I read through the responses on this question. I'm trying to think of something about myself that really bother's me. Cannot think of anything off the top of my head.
I'm pretty happy with myself and where I am today.

Although people in general can work on whatever insecure feeling they are having. It just takes time. Someone to help you work through it. Anything is possible.

Communicate with your chosen person. They will be the one's to help you the most in the long run. If you don't have one right now. Talk to your friends. Those who truly care about you. They can help you.

For instance how are you going to get over a bad relationship or trust issue with a new companion? Other than communicate with them. Tell them how you feel. How other's have made you feel in the past. I know if it were me I'd sure be trying to build that trust there. Relationships of any type take lots of work.

I hope this helps.




Nvernilla -> RE: Insecurities (11/6/2004 1:38:18 PM)

you must believe in yourself to the core of your being its even kind of fun to compete with other Alphas, but thats my scorpio nature I guess, its also a lot more than upper or lower case letters its whether you have " Sand " in you




Suleiman -> RE: Insecurities (11/6/2004 6:48:51 PM)

I wouldn't say that everybody has insecurities, so much as everybody has "landmines" - little emotional triggers that can blow up in the middle of a scene if you bring up the wrong issue. As has been noted by other respondants, very frequently there is some aspect of childhood abuse or neglect involved. I have serious trust and abandonment issues, especially since my first mistress used those insecurities against me to coerce obediance when I disagreed with her. At this point, rather than deal with the constant fear of being released the next time I disagree with someone, I will not allow anyone to collar me for more than a specifically negotiated period of time, never more than 72 hours in length, and typically less than 12.

Some times issues can be dealt with by inducing catharsis through a form of emotional edge-play. Other times, they can be dealt with through being dependable and supportive. Some times it is best to seek professional help, and the rest of the time you just have to rememebr that that sort of subject matter is likely to bring up a red flag, if not provoke the use of a safeword.

Actually, I've had safeword used on me far more often for emotional issues than I have for actual health or safety reasons. Some times, you just don't see the emotional stuff coming, which is of course why I refer to them as landmines in the first place.

Also, some times you just have to hold your breath and take the plunge, and trust that the top will not betray your trust. Every time you do that and everything turns out for the good, it will do wonders to ease that fear. The down side, of course, is that some times your best intentions backfire. Such, unfortunately, is the way of things.




LadySonelle -> RE: Insecurities (11/7/2004 10:43:07 AM)

Many submissives, as children or young persons, have been abused, or had their trust damaged in some way. In fact, some subs seek BDSM as a way of resolveing such issues, albeit subconsciously.

I would posit that, when a person is a child, they are being formed slowly, like clay, into a shape or vessel... when a parent or other adult damages them, either by over discipline, by belittling or even molesting them, part of their being "hardens" inside, like a strangely shaped basalt formation. As the abuse continues, the hard place may change shape, like wind scoured stone, but it exists to protect the inner child.

As life goes on and the person grows, other layers are added, softer layers and more lush, fertile substrata form. When the person gets into BDSM, the process of intense submission rips the layers away, again exposing the hard formation. Nobody knows quite what to do with it!

Many times, the submissive her/himself doesn't even know that the formation existed! A good Top can recognise the presence of such jhardened and calcified issues, and the protective layers they represent, and begin to work with the sub to address them.

The last thing a Dom/me should do is ridicule or minimise these issues! The more deeply buried a thing is, the harder and stronger it tends to be. Often, the issue is serious in size, but rather small or trivial in its beginnings. That is NOT to say it is unimportant! Not at all! One sub I know had a nasty issue around abandonment. Turns out it all stemmed from parents who repeated over and over "If you don't behave, we'll give you back to the Indians!"... it was said in jest, but the child, not knowing, took it in dead earnest and suffered for *years* over it!

Often, the first impulse of the Dom/me when confronting such buried formations, issues, is to simply smash them, either with physchological force or forcible logic, et cetera. "What? Don't be ridiculous! You're not fat!" "Oh, come on! Nobody is going to give you to Indians!" etc. If such tactics worked, they would have already been used. The best way to remove such formations is by slowly melting them away *with* the submissive's own work. Since such hardened formations are often what is "holding her/him upright", the sub may actually be terrified to letting them go! They are, after all, protection of a sort.

Gentle reassurance, discussion after the scene is over, persistent reminding ("NO, what you are saying is a tape your father planted in you. Listen to yourself and reason yourself out of this. You are not a slut. That was your father projecting his own desires onto you.") and deconstructing the damages done is the way to go. The process takes patience and repitition. You may have to repeat the same reassurances over and over and over and over! This is not because the submissive is stupid, it is because the damage done in the past is *part* of the framework which is holding her/him upright! It is a psychological coral reef. To dismantle it exposes the fragile inner workings and the sub must re-build better coral to replace the stunted formations. That takes time.

How long can it take? Years, sometimes. Now and then, you may hit a buried landmine and sometimes it can get scary... but when that happens, the explosion or meltdown can be beneficial in the long run because it softens areas around it. It takes time, study, commitment, empathy and patience patience patience from the Dom/me! My own dear sweet sub now stands strong, confident and tall. It took us some 15 years to finally sweep away all the damage. When we first met, she was wilted, ashamed of herself, apologising for everything, including the weather! Today she is courageous, bold and knows, bone deep, that she is a GOOD person! My work? No. HER work? No. *OUR* work? Most definitely!

And at its heart, for many, that is ultimately what BDSM is all about!

Lady Sonelle





BabyBrat -> RE: Insecurities (11/7/2004 11:32:26 AM)

I find ageplay really cathartic and that it helps me work through my insecurities and trust issues. Regressing into child space is really good for me, it sort of takes me out of the pressure of everyday life and just lets me be ME.

There is something really refreshing about just sitting down in little space and colouring a picture in, for a little while not letting any of the pressures of the outside world get to me - i guess at the end of the day im only putting problems to one side to be dealt with later, but it's good for me.

Learning to not care what people think of my IKs is also helping me learn to not care about what people think about grown up me. I tend to fret so much about appearance - am i pretty enough, thin enough, do i look good in this blah blah blah... and worry aobut what other people's perceptions of me are, when i need to just concentrate on me.

Having someone there that i trust, a "Daddy" figure, when im in little space, really helps me to feel good about myself, and safe, and loved and nurtured. Having had some real bad past relationships, that's incredibly important to me. Of course, in little space I'm a whole lot more vulnerable, but thankfully those I show that side of me to don't take advantage and really help to build up the "good" feelings.




slaveredone -> RE: Insecurities (1/3/2006 5:47:33 AM)

quote:

Gentle reassurance, discussion after the scene is over, persistent reminding ("NO, what you are saying is a tape your father planted in you. Listen to yourself and reason yourself out of this. You are not a slut. That was your father projecting his own desires onto you.") and deconstructing the damages done is the way to go. The process takes patience and repitition. You may have to repeat the same reassurances over and over and over and over! This is not because the submissive is stupid, it is because the damage done in the past is *part* of the framework which is holding her/him upright! It is a psychological coral reef. To dismantle it exposes the fragile inner workings and the sub must re-build better coral to replace the stunted formations. That takes time.

How long can it take? Years, sometimes. Now and then, you may hit a buried landmine and sometimes it can get scary... but when that happens, the explosion or meltdown can be beneficial in the long run because it softens areas around it. It takes time, study, commitment, empathy and patience patience patience from the Dom/me! My own dear sweet sub now stands strong, confident and tall. It took us some 15 years to finally sweep away all the damage. When we first met, she was wilted, ashamed of herself, apologising for everything, including the weather! Today she is courageous, bold and knows, bone deep, that she is a GOOD person! My work? No. HER work? No. *OUR* work? Most definitely!


This Slave would say to Lady Sonelle Thank You for a truly insightful response. You are truly a worthy Mistress to understand your sub/slave in such a way.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Insecurities (1/3/2006 6:10:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: feline
What do you do to quell these insecurities

I put them out in the open. I verbalize them, I talk about them. I do a lot of self cognitive therapy over them. I put them into perspective, I bring myself back into the moment. I learn habits on how to make them lose power and remain in control and positive.

And over time I work on myself to prove that the insecurities have no bearing on reality, only fear.

Sadly when someone is tired or upset, they immediately revert back to their old insecure habits. This is when it's most hard.




wolffeathers -> RE: Insecurities (1/3/2006 9:10:56 AM)

Insecurities are dealt by differnt people differntly.

Some deal with them through BDSM.

For some, BDSM is just fun.

By your ideals, I should be a submissive, however, I am not.

Every person is insecure about something.

It's just some talk about it more often.




KatyLied -> RE: Insecurities (1/3/2006 10:06:41 AM)

If your insecurity is about your relationship, the best thing you can do for you is be the best person you can be in that relationship. Sounds easy, isn't always so. I sometimes feel that I need a lot of affirmation. And I'm sure that can be tiresome. It's something I'm working on right now, for myself.




justheather -> RE: Insecurities (1/3/2006 12:36:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: feline

After talking with several subs, I have discovered that most have some kind of insecurity.

What do you do to quell these insecurities? (yes I realize this is a very open question, I'm hoping for many different replies)

Take care,
[image]local://upfiles/17000/11F3E6AD17D8481DA56D07C98D6A2309.gif[/image]


This is a very timely subject for me, so thank you for asking this question at this particular time.
I tend to seek out the company of people who I know will be able to understand what Im feeling and who will be sympathetic without either using it as an opportunity to hurt me or feel compelled to offer me some kind of false security. I also try to keep myself occupied with a task that I know would be pleasing to my Dominant if he knew I were doing it. Reading a book, bettering myself in some way. Sometimes I have to isolate myself and just dwell in that insecurity for a little while.
I was speaking with another submissive on the same subject earlier today and we both agreed that time is really the only thing that can quell feelings of insecurity. I think its a good idea to find ways to not only keep yourself sane during times of feeling insecure, but also to document your feelings so that the next time it happens you can look back and say "I have felt this way before. It passed. This too shall pass.".
Insecurity, I think, is normal. As submissives, we derive a great deal from external sources, namely our Dominants, and there are times when they just cant give us everything we need to feel secure. Those are times that are very painful but also ripe for growth. The painful feeling that comes with insecurity is also something you can offer up to your Dominant. It frames it differently and makes it a little easier to bear, in my mind.
It helps me to find a way to express myself that is creative and positive. That way I dont get hung up in the bad feelings. They do pass.
If you can make a date with your paintbrush or your sewing machine in the meantime, you can keep your mind occupied on more positive things and not feel as if that time has been for naught.




SirDarkside357 -> RE: Insecurities (1/3/2006 12:52:44 PM)

Insecurity isn't a sub or slave thing...I would have to say that most of the people I have met have insecurities of some sort.




justheather -> RE: Insecurities (1/3/2006 1:12:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDarkside357

Insecurity isn't a sub or slave thing...I would have to say that most of the people I have met have insecurities of some sort.

SirDarkSide,
I agree that most people, if not all, experience insecurity.

I also believe that because of a submissive's highly externalized locus of control, he or she tends to experience insecurity in a manner that is particular to submissives. I could be wrong, of course, but I believe that submissives tend to feel insecurity more acutely and dwell in it longer than the average person because of this high degree of emphasis on external factors, a huge one being the pleasure of his or her dominant. The issue that arises with placing so much emphasis on the feedback from another person is that this person is also a human being who has needs and sometimes needs to attend to him/herself and does not have the psychic energy to spend at that given time on reassuring the submissive. This is a normal part of the ebb and flow of any relationship, it just happens to hit the submissive a little harder than most people.
The key, then, for the submissive, is to find ways to cope during periods of insecurity while learning to trust (with time and help from her dominant) and that she does not have to give in to these feelings as deeply or invest a great deal of energy in them. Im not sure I will ever be a totally secure person, but what Id like to be able to do some day is just notice the feeling and continue to exist completely in the moment without feeding the fear that comes along with insecurity.

Something a dominant once said to me, that I like to reflect on in times of insecurity, is this: "Someday, perhaps you will realise that everything does not dangle from a thread."

It helps to acknowledge, as you have, that all people experience the same feelings and that they are normal. Thanks for that insight.




SirDarkside357 -> RE: Insecurities (1/3/2006 1:38:04 PM)

I liked the way you said it better heather...but then, it wouldn't have been normal for those words to have come from such as I WEG




sweetpettjenny -> RE: Insecurities (1/3/2006 3:00:45 PM)

that is sound advice Sir....


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrThorns

One removes insecurities by building confidence. A lot of the time it reuires exposure to the area in which they may feel insecure. If they are insecure about their physical appearance, perhaps the best solution is to make a slave wear a sexy, skimpy little outfit or nothing at all while at home. The urge to cover up may be there, but the point is to get them feeling comfotable in their own skin. The trust is built in that the dominant isnt leaving because of her physical appearance.

Another insecurity may be in regards to finances. A slave has problems paying her bills. Okay. In this example, perhaps sitting down and taking the time to show her how to do it, when to mail them out, when to check her balance, etc. Once she has the skills, have her pay the bills and reenforce the good behavior with play, allowing her to orgasm, whatever suits the particular relationship. The confidence built by completeing tasks to the satisfaction of the dominant will slowly chip away at a lot of those insecurities.

~Thorns





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