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RE: Financial Domination - 11/9/2012 8:30:08 PM

KrisKaspersky

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thank you for your response. but it's not all about money, for me money are just numbers.

my point is -- if you're a sub it does not mean that you're a loser. it does not matter who makes more money -- sub or dom.

one more point - you know if you're a rich man you can afford to meet a senator in a dirty T-Shirt. if you're an office guy you have to follow the dress code, just because you can't afford ignore it.

you have to be very strong to afford to be a sub. I'm a sub, because I'm a dominant by nature and I'm tired of it. I really am...

what turns you on? it something that you don't normally have.

if you decide to sleep naked -- it probably will turn you on for a while, but when you will realize that sleeping in clothes turns you on much more, because you get used to be naked.

well, maybe I'm wrong... it's just my point. I don't argue with you.

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RE: Financial Domination - 11/9/2012 8:45:51 PM

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Women do this all the time, many of them appear to assume this is what men are for.

Every relationship is a power exchange, period - a symbiotic relationship - fact is, I don't mind taking care of a woman who takes care of my physical needs and at minimum doesn't cause me too much much grief. Sounds cynical maybe, but a whore with a heart of gold is nothing to sneeze at, believe me, they ain't all got a heart of gold.

So yeah, financial jockery is game too, some people live for it, others are just naturals, and having somebody around to help them decompress is just what they need, if you don't like it, on either side of the kneel, or gender, or whatever, just don't fuckin' do it, that's all.

The division of labor is not what it used to be: hard physical labor is almost a privilege anymore, like getting paid to work out all day.

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RE: Financial Domination - 11/9/2012 9:17:54 PM

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a whore? much cheaper than a wife, especially when it comes to divorce.

BDSM whore? there is no such thing. it's an illusion. she provides the service she was asked. from this perspective she is your servant. simply because if she does what she wants (usually it's stay at home and don't do anything), nobody will pay her. however, she is a human, so everything is possible -- a friend, a lover, a real dom. what happened to me -- I met whores who became my friends and lovers. I support them, so they did not think about money and did not provide this 'service' anymore.

many of them were single moms and they had no job and no income. I'm not a monster. so, I said -- just tell me how much money do you need? ok, you need $5k, because you are in debts and it makes you nervous. this is $5k. take it. consider it as a gift. no sex/BDSM service is expected. unless you really want it.

unfortunately, some of them very dishonest. they imitate orgasm because they wanted me to be happy, but why? I don't know...

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RE: Financial Domination - 11/9/2012 10:58:27 PM

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Hmm.

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RE: Financial Domination - 11/9/2012 11:47:12 PM

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Oh I have nothing against pros, if that's what you mean, all I meant is the the proverbial heart of gold isn't always that easy to find, and that when you find it, it's worth hanging onto - nothing really free you know, and you get what you pay for, monetary or otherwise.

I know nothing about male subs or how that particular dynamic works, or what issues are involved, I imagine I'd have to poll domina's and male subs, and I'm guessing it would probably run the gamut - guys sponging off women? Unbelievable, I'm sure that's never happened before.

I'm mostly talking about vanilla women though, lot of them seem to do little more than run up credit card charges, some kind of status symbols or something, can't even imagine they would have sex, mess their hair up or something.

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RE: Financial Domination - 11/10/2012 12:56:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: KaruSF

Lots has been said about the traditional form of Financial Domination, but here's a fresh take. There are TONS of guys out there who put themselves out as submissive, or slave, but the only situation they want to pursue is one where they find a Master who keeps them, hides them away from the world, or some similar variation that makes the Dominant financially responsible for their housing, food, healthcare, and all their other upkeep. In its way, that arrangement is every bit as much Financial Domination as the ones where a submissive or masochist pays the Dom. When a Master has to work harder and give up some part of their assets to keep a sub/slave, the real power no longer belongs to the Master - He is working to support a leech, not being served by a slave or sub.

1/ The tradition is the guy with the gold makes the rules. So what the fuck?

2/ There seems no role for the sub in this scenario. No contribution. Is he chained in someone elses' basement, 24/7? Or is he simply not being acknowledged? Did you think I would overlook so basic a verbal ploy? Or did you.

3/ Two can live as cheaply as one. Winning a girlfriend does not raise the rent. Nor affect the telephone bill. Or power, water and trash. Does not affect the condition of the roof, the foundation or the water heater. Does not affect how much gas goes in the car each week. And affects the grocery bill so, that if you routinely buy beer, you will not notice the difference. Healthcare is not even an issue anymore. When you do the math, you may be hard pressed to come up with anything at all. But assuming you do, is it enough to pay for one night out?

4/ Financial domination is about giving someone your money. It is not about giving someone your body.

To sum up. I am wondering about the source of your irritation. It does not seem to be close enough to you to allow you to accurately identify what is bothering you. See again, number 4.

Making the assumption you are talking about problems of your own, notice, please, sir, that there are many deserving folks who would be pleased to have them.

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RE: Financial Domination - 11/10/2012 7:22:17 AM

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4/ Financial domination is about giving someone your money. It is not about giving someone your body.

That's not necessarily true.

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RE: Financial Domination - 11/10/2012 8:20:22 AM

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Yes, although that is changing as more and more of us women out earn men and some like I did pay out to men on divorce.

I would say the dom has a responsibililty to protect the sub and even to consider her position if she were to leave - so if you make her give up her job that is not really in her interests long term. If you do not give her the skills to manage money and invest because you do all that you put her at risk. If you take her money and spend it that's not too nice either although there is nothing wrong with doing what many married couples do - both earn about the same and pool everything and it works fine if you both have similar attitudes to money.

The issue of money and power is interesting. Very few men earn what I do so it's a rare date when I'm with a higher earner and yet I'm sub and 4 in 5 women marry someone who earns more and very few divorced men I speak to had a wife who earned more than they did. So as a sub who earns a lot do you only got for higher earning men or maintain the usual male/female dynamic never mind D/s dynamic?

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Women do this all the time, many of them appear to assume this is what men are for.

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RE: Financial Domination - 11/10/2012 8:58:20 AM

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There are two sides to the financial dependency coin. Let's say for the sake of argument that you have a slave kept in a cage in the basement day and night. Yes, that slave is a financial dependent, but at the same time he has no financial INdependence, does he?

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