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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/6/2012 6:54:16 AM   
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As we can witness here, everybody is concerned with matters of statistical validity, not a single concern about the corporate infiltration of both parties and the thorough infestation of their minions in the administration, the 'regulatory' agencies, and the Congress.

Every administration, every Congress, regardless of party or party majority.

The only thing holding our interest (for some) anymore is the placing of bets, calling in 'scientific measurement,' etc., in the desperate albeit futile attempt to provide any meaning to a de facto meaningless process.




Uhmmmm ... not quite everybody Edywnn. I did raise the matter of the c$2.5 billion spent by the candidates and their backers but I'm afraid it didn't elicit any response either.

No one bothers to deny the corruption the funding requirements impose on all serious candidates. Even more oddly, no one seems to be talking about changing the situation either. Perhaps it deserves a thread of its own.



Of course it isn't just the matter of the amount, but the parties financing it. Financiers of the highest order. Political equity groups, if you will.

The Supreme Court's Citizens United v. Federal Election Committee ruling told us that the $2.5 billion was the price tag of free speech. If you got the money, you too can have freedom of speech concerning elections. That's how it works in this country, the current sentiment being that the private sector, in free and unfettered markets, are more efficient than the government in all matters, including "free" speech.

If free speech were forced to be less than market value by the FEC, then of course great inefficiencies would occur. The return on investment in this "free speech" would be greatly reduced. Next thing you know, the regulatory agencies might get the notion that they should actually start regulating, or something; people would get this crazy notion that the people they are talked into electing are actually supposed to have any concern for people who merely elected them, instead of the ones who paid good money for them.

In any case, not anywhere, in any of the 'lists of wrongs' of this president posted by the opposition, have I seen any mention of his less than efficacious measures to reduce corporate favoritism further than the small bit he has, any noticeable reduction in the US Treasury's ongoing financial support of the most profitable corporations, and not a peep about corporate minions in the administration.

Which I can only take as that none of that bothers them at all. It could be because it would be totally hypocritical to do so, also. Who knows, but none of that is ever mentioned in any case.

Hardly anyone has even heard of ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council), whose scribes literally write much of US law.

If you wonder "how can this happen?", "why don't people do anything about it?", etc. ... Remember that power seeks power, the most powerful country of whatever era invites the most insidious and power-seeking elements of society, within and beyond nominal borders. If you thinks it's all just "the US" or just "the US government," then you're not paying attention. A corporate controlled government is not a government in any honest sense of the term, and that along with a completely misinformed populace means that there is nothing what could honestly be called a democracy, either.

Forty years ago 50 different companies owned most of the US media. Today, six mega-media conglomerates own about 95% of it.

People have NO idea what they've been talked into voting for these last thirty years, none.




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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/6/2012 7:19:55 AM   
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Then why the thought that he can win the election if he wins PA, DS?


He himself thinks there's a chance. He's making a last ditch effort there. IIRC Silver gives him a 5% shot in PA.


The New Republic backs that up.

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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/6/2012 8:23:03 AM   
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I wasn't talking about him. you seemed to agree that he didn't have a prayer. Why even bring it up if you don't believe it?

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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/6/2012 11:37:05 AM   
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There is a difference between 5% and 0%. If Romney thinks that a 5% chance is his best shot, then that's what he'll do.

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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/6/2012 12:43:05 PM   
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Everybody rolls a natural twenty sooner or later.


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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/6/2012 12:48:59 PM   
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But they gotta be holding D-20's to do it, n-est ce pas?



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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/6/2012 12:54:24 PM   
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As we can witness here, everybody is concerned with matters of statistical validity, not a single concern about the corporate infiltration of both parties and the thorough infestation of their minions in the administration, the 'regulatory' agencies, and the Congress.


Well, that'll most likely be because that is what this thread is about.



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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/6/2012 12:58:07 PM   
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Most likely.

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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/6/2012 2:55:38 PM   
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Can't deny the last of a civilization it's last, the requisite Bread and Circuses.

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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/6/2012 5:00:36 PM   
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As we can witness here, everybody is concerned with matters of statistical validity, not a single concern about the corporate infiltration of both parties and the thorough infestation of their minions in the administration, the 'regulatory' agencies, and the Congress.


"Then let them eat cake" ...

The French Revolution was a revolt by the aristocracy to wrest power from the upper aristocracy and redistribute it to the lower aristocracy so they could continue their parasitic lifestyle instead of being ousted by the upper aristocracy. The general population was quite accomodating in helping their oppressors implement a plan to secure control and power with which to continue the oppression. In the USA, it probably started before Watergate, but that's the earliest clearly identifiable point at which it became a consistent strategy, innit?

Anyone that thinks Marie Antoinette spoke those words might pause to educate themselves on their own lives.

With that, we'll return to the scheduled revolution...

... and the predictions about who will distract the peasants.

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RE: Why Nate Silver predicts an Obama win. - 11/9/2012 6:08:49 AM   
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2004 the turnout in northeast ohio among democrats was paltry. That is why Kerry lost Ohio. Obama looks to win ohio with NE Ohio, toledo, dayton, and southeast ohio plus the cities of columbus and cincy. Key it getting people to the polls....hence that many offices

That effort has been duplicated in each of the swing states. The republicans have no such effort. Rove and Romney are spraying ad money around but don't have the people to get into the suburbs and rural areas they have to dominate.


Fella, I have to hand it to you. The entire win was predicated on Obama's campaign getting out the vote similarly to 2008. The GOP had thought that was impossible, but he did it. You saw the efforts and their relevance.

Of course, you live in THE battleground state of Ohio. You're young, you're black, and you live in an Ohio urban area (and I assume a registered Democrat) - you are a member of the groups that Obama would target, so you'd see the activity up close and personal.

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