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mnottertail -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 7:30:30 AM)

I think this stands alone:

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Moonhead -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 7:33:09 AM)

You wouldn't get a look in, Ron: she's too busy fellating the Koch brothers.




mnottertail -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 7:35:13 AM)

I'm 97 years old, but I ain't no fuckin coward, tell me how many motherfuckers I gotta kill to get that lipstick on my dipstick.

If she ever gives a speech at the Minnapolis Airport Bathroom........I am so there.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 7:56:53 AM)

Yikes. What a scary picture




flyhumbleguy -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 10:13:57 AM)

Yay, gerrymandering! Both parties do it and try to get away with as much as possible. Same with voter suppression. Both are issues that are non-issues really except on the extreme margins.

I don't know that GOP so much offers lackluster candidates as the smart ones stay on the sidelines so that something other than the cream can rise to the top. The reality is that the US is in a symbolic self-congratulatory mode where the Dems are ponying up candidates where we can say "wow, look how past racism we are" and then former klansmen and civil rights leaders can be found hugging/crying at inauguration ceremonies. Next we'll be proclaiming how past sexism we are when Hillary runs in 2016...bank on it unless there is a significant economic or national security event in the next 4 years which could be a very real possibility. Historical moments have a way of making perfectly good candidates in normal times seem lackluster and for them to sometimes pick lunatic running mates a la Palin.




flyhumbleguy -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 10:23:47 AM)

I think that is right except on the more isolationist aspect. The US could still be highly involved internationally in terms of trade and diplomacy, just less so militarily with so much base/troop presence in other countries.




JeffBC -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 10:35:12 AM)

Yeah... I wish the democrats would use the same reasoning.... here's one that did get replanted this year but should not have...

Barack "It IS due process... it's just a different process with no checks and balances" Obama.

I'd love for both parties to ditch the corporate welfare seed stock but man they love to smoke that herb.




Moonhead -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 10:36:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: flyhumbleguy
I don't know that GOP so much offers lackluster candidates as the smart ones stay on the sidelines so that something other than the cream can rise to the top. The reality is that the US is in a symbolic self-congratulatory mode where the Dems are ponying up candidates where we can say "wow, look how past racism we are" and then former klansmen and civil rights leaders can be found hugging/crying at inauguration ceremonies.

What, like that scary escapee from Birth Of A Nation Herman Cain who was blathering about the Kenyan "not being black enough" before he was ejected from the primaries with his tail (or something) between his legs? For all of the crap that's been spouted about the Kenyan, serial molester boy seems to have been making much more of an effort to play up to certain prejudices about black men...
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Next we'll be proclaiming how past sexism we are when Hillary runs in 2016...bank on it unless there is a significant economic or national security event in the next 4 years which could be a very real possibility.

The Dems might. You guys won't if you keep giving a platform to people who insist that a pregnancy from rape is a gift from God which musn't be spurned and that a blob of meat that might become a person in nine months is more important and worth preserving than a woman who's old enough to vote if it's a matter of saving one or the other. Keep that one up and you might even see nutcases like Bachmann deserting the GOP.
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Historical moments have a way of making perfectly good candidates in normal times seem lackluster and for them to sometimes pick lunatic running mates a la Palin.

Is this a good time to point out that Sorebutt ended up with caribou Barbie as a running mate because he thought that your last failed Presidential nominee would lack credibility as his veep?




culareD -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 1:01:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

the bigger lesson in all of this is -- the country is divided right down the middle. compromise is necessary moving forward, so pointing out the flaws in the republican party is kind of moot. democrats have just as many.


Yep. Damn it sucks to be human sometimes.




absolutchocolat -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 2:37:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

Definitely not saying that the dems don't have problems. But they don't have problems of this particular nature. Do we have the equivalent of Allen West, or Todd Akin on our side? There's a reason the gender gap among voters was so evident. If the country is divided right down the middle, they didn't vote that way. A 100 electoral vote difference is not what I'd call "Down the middle."


the electoral college =/= popular vote. the popular vote ended up being 50% for Obama and 48% for Romney...and that's down the middle. the number of electoral college votes is equal to each states number of representatives in both houses of congress, and are awarded based on which candidate wins the most popular votes in that state.

in my opinion, democrats have quite a few factions as well: liberals, progressives, libertarians/advocates of civil liberties, southern/conservative dems, and centrists. they're certainly not all in alignment, and the ability to come together to band against an outside enemy does not negate the internal issues going on. if anything, this election proves that both parties need to shape up for 2016...it's anybody's game then.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 3:03:19 PM)

You're right about the results and you're right about the need for compromise, but there's one other point to consider: time is not on the Republicans' side. Take a look at the breakdown by age. You can go here, and then look at the graphs right under the map:

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/main

Obama won 60% of the vote among the 18-29 group and 52% of the vote among the 30-44 group.
Romney won 51% of the vote among the 45-64 group and 56% of the 65+ group.

That can and should be broken down more carefully, but the basic moral of the story is: Republicans did better among people who are closer to their expiration dates. Partly it's because those older populations are whiter. And that's what terrifies their strategists.

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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

the electoral college =/= popular vote. the popular vote ended up being 50% for Obama and 48% for Romney...and that's down the middle. the number of electoral college votes is equal to each states number of representatives in both houses of congress, and are awarded based on which candidate wins the most popular votes in that state.





absolutchocolat -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 3:23:56 PM)

the election exit polls seem to suggest that older americans (50+) slightly favor the republicans, but not enough to cause a huge crisis. it's not like republicans are dying in droves.

for the foreseeable future -- at least until the mid-term election, the parties need to work together or nothing will get done. that's what my original post was saying. nothing more, nothing less.




cloudboy -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 4:07:17 PM)

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This is kinda what is happening in the Republican party right now. The American voter has been farming again, and these are the crops that didn't get re-planted this year:

Todd "Legitimate rape" Akin

Allen "Get discharged from the military for putting a hood over a prisoner's face and discharging a firearm next to their head" West

Richard "Rape pregnancy is a gift from God" Mourdock

Joe "Flip out on people in a public forum, Oh and by the way abortions are never necessary to save a mother's life" Walsh


Congratulations, ladies. You kept the barbarians from the gate.




cloudboy -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 4:43:03 PM)

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1. They lost against an unpopular President. Obama and GW Bush have the lowest approval ratings of any reelected President.
2. The GOP's stances that are not friendly to gays and minorities will ensure that their base will shrink over time.
3. The economy is poised for a turnaround. So the Bush years will get blamed for the recession, and the Dems will get credited with turning it around.

The GOP is currently devoid of a solid message. They have numerous different voices.

1. The Tea Partiers. Cut spending and taxes.
2. The Libertarians. Cut government. Liberal on social issues.
3. The religious right. Repeal Roe vs Wade. Push a religious agenda. Suppress other religious agendas.
4. Racists and haters. Especially with a half black President. Plenty of misogynists here. Lots of dittoheads here,
5. Laffers. Trickle down diehards. Advocates of tax cuts for the wealthy, euphemistically and incorrectly termed "job creators".
6. Outright nuts. The birthers. Conspiracy theorists.
7. Classic conservatives. Against social programs but pro-defense. Careful about spending, but not advocates of trickle-down.


There are also some strong facts in play that influence the above.

(a) Because tax rates are at or near historic lows, tax-cuts won't do much to boost the economy.

(b) Policy - making: Democrats like good information, diversity, and honest and true debate.

Republicans trend more to ideological purity, demagoguery, and party unity --- they could not reverse course on regulations to help stop the housing crisis -- they pushed out all the advisers not on board with the IRAQ war -- they like to live in the friendly world of Fox News and AM radio -- poor excuses for journalism and enablers for bad policies.

(c) The USA population is not more partisan now than in the past, what's more partisan is the media. Unless we enact a law similar to the one in Canada that "Media organizations may not engage in disseminating false and misleading news" we will continue down the ideological divide in place today.





Owner59 -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 5:26:46 PM)

Sorry if it`s already been posted but the President has won Florida....bringing his landslide vitory to 332 votes overo Mitt`s 206.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 10:39:48 PM)

Yes, I agree--and Boehner is already talking about how raising tax rates is "unacceptable."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/boehner-exclusive-raising-tax-rates-unacceptable-revenue-table/story?id=17672947

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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

for the foreseeable future -- at least until the mid-term election, the parties need to work together or nothing will get done. that's what my original post was saying. nothing more, nothing less.





flyhumbleguy -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/9/2012 3:48:22 AM)

Moonhead...that almost had me pissing my pants...your comment that anybody would think to choose Palin over Romney with perception of credibility being the deciding factor. I'm growing to become fond of you but you really need to ease up some on whatever you're smoking.




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