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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/15/2012 9:36:10 AM   
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Oh it's gonna get worse, my friends. Poor little minorities had their feelings hurt... lets see, women needing free birth control... obama phones... oh yes it will get worse. The middle east on all fronts is set to blow up. Meanwhile, your Dear Leader will blame some freaking movie nobody saw as the cause. Why we can't upset the muslims! China will pull the plug on our game... no more money! Look, leftists, the producers of this country did not get that way by being STUPID. We know how to hide our wealth, and that is exactly what we are doing now. I just think minorities like blacks are more concerned with ... well, I know it's not a strong economy or bettering their own people. Socialism does even the playing field... it makes everybody miserable. So you'll get that. And, handy people to blame BUT NOT DEAR LEADER! Dear Leader will continue handing out obama phones until the Chinese tell him to stop. Let me know how that all turns out, will you?


I've ran my own business since 2006. I've made six figures every year since then. Even after the recession and taking a $1400 hit on my revenue. I've been making more and more each year. And as we speak I have a business class to take today. Not concerned with bettering myself? What the fuck do you know?

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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/15/2012 10:08:18 AM   
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Poverty is higher than when the war on poverty started.

Bullshit and lies. Where the hell do you buy your Kool-Aid?

Actually he is probably Correct for once, Hill. His problem is presuming that the collapse of the middle class isn't the Radicals' fault.


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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/15/2012 10:16:41 AM   
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Poverty is higher than when the war on poverty started.

Bullshit and lies. Where the hell do you buy your Kool-Aid?

Actually he is probably Correct for once, Hill. His problem is presuming that the collapse of the middle class isn't the Radicals' fault.



The War on Poverty began in 1964 with Johnson.

In 1960, the US poverty rate was 22%.
As of 2009, it was about 14.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/09/us-poverty-rate-1959-to-2009.html

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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/15/2012 10:38:38 AM   
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Poverty is higher than when the war on poverty started.

Bullshit and lies. Where the hell do you buy your Kool-Aid?

Actually he is probably Correct for once, Hill. His problem is presuming that the collapse of the middle class isn't the Radicals' fault.



The War on Poverty began in 1964 with Johnson.

In 1960, the US poverty rate was 22%.
As of 2009, it was about 14.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/09/us-poverty-rate-1959-to-2009.html

And, the definition of poverty changed during the period.. I believe it's much more inclusive now?
People wanting to blame the current administration for whatever state the economy is in have a bit of education to catch up on. "Structural Unemployment", "Service Economy" and "Offshoring Manufacturing" are a few good places to start. And Wall Street has done far more damage to the country than militant Jihadists? Understanding how it happened that the US now has a greater concentration of wealth at the top than more than a couple of South American economies is a bit of a problem for critics of the POTUS. None of these problems are recent and none of them are going away with a political turn back to the 'laissez faire' politicians that ignored or created them originally. And some aren't going to fix. 'Robots' Are going to be doing more and more of what used to be 'good' jobs. 'Value added' processes become more commodified all the time, with the minimal profit margins that level of competition produces and it's normal damage to wage levels.

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RE: Not easy for the GOP. - 11/15/2012 12:53:09 PM   
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DesiderScuri, this isn't really an answer to you, but I just wanted to say that I appreciate conservatives like you and Rich, who disagree with me but are able to discuss things rationally.

DS,
Thanks for the compliment. It's always my aim.
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RE: Not easy for the GOP. - 11/15/2012 9:01:44 PM   
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Bobby Jindal on where the GOP needs to go.

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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/15/2012 9:15:44 PM   
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The War on Poverty began in 1964 with Johnson.



And it's just out that we are spending $61,000 a year, per household in poverty, to fight it.



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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/16/2012 4:04:36 AM   
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The War on Poverty began in 1964 with Johnson.

And it's just out that we are spending $61,000 a year, per household in poverty, to fight it.


If they would send me half that, I could show them how to fight poverty.

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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/16/2012 4:13:56 AM   
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Another Republican, on the need to do better.

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RE: Not easy for the GOP. - 11/16/2012 4:32:07 AM   
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I feel sorry for them, sorta. Its problems include living in a comfortable bubble, and clinging to a shrinking demographic.

1. The conservative wing - what has to be done with it? It's easy for us Dems to look at the rabid nuts there and say "Dump them from the party", but they're an integral part of it. That'd be like someone telling us to drop the Hispanics or blacks from our coalition because they're causing trouble.


This is true. Thing is, there aren't enough billionaires for the Republicans to win elections solely on their economic philosophy, so they need the social conservatives from the middle class. It looks like they'll be going for the religious/conservative vote - which isn't confined to an aging white demographic.

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2. How much do they change? It's easy to say they should emulate the Dems, but Then they lose. The Dems have been Dems for a long time and do it well. The GOP needs to do something to differentiate themselves from the Democrats. So it appears they must find what in the Dem platform to adopt, and what in their current platform to preserve.


The Democrats and Republicans have changed quite a bit over history, so when put in that perspective, to say that "Dems have been Dems for a long time and do it well" becomes a bit nebulous. There have been times when the Dems haven't done so well, as well as times they've done much better than they're doing now. Both parties have proven to be adaptable and able to survive. I don't see either of them disappearing from the political landscape any time soon.

Some of us tend to see the Republicans and Democrats as more alike than different, and there are many who see one or the other as the lesser of two evils. Perhaps it's a consequence of being bombarded with all those negative campaign ads.

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3. They've been living in a bubble. In that bubble, Obama is a horrible tyrant, Dems are made up of lazy freeloaders, and the wealthy are noble benefactors who provide jobs to the nation. As long as they persist in living in that bubble, they will never be able to understand the rest of America.

So what do they do?


I don't know that they necessarily live in a bubble. Perhaps some do, but it seems to be a malady which crosses party lines. While I can be rather cynical about both parties, I can also recognize the merit in their respective ideological positions (at least when viewed abstractly, without the distraction of party rhetoric). We obviously can't live beyond our means, and at present, we have to come to terms with the fact that we are facing some rather difficult issues to solve. Rather than worry about what the Republicans might have to do to win the next election, I'd like to see what both parties will do to bring America out of this morass. The country is broke, and what are they going to do about it? I don't care if it's a Democratic or Republican solution, just as long as it works.





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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/16/2012 4:52:22 AM   
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The War on Poverty began in 1964 with Johnson.



And it's just out that we are spending $61,000 a year, per household in poverty, to fight it.





The $61,194 isn't spent solely on households below the poverty line. Some recipients above the poverty level also benefit from social welfare programs and aid, such as Pell grants for college and other wealth transfers.

Gotta love the math on this one....

The U.S. Census Bureau says 108 million Americans live in households where at least one person participates in a means-tested program. The number has grown rapidly under the Obama administration. Food stamp recipients now number 47 million, up from 32 million four years ago. The USDA aggressively has campaigned to boost enrollment further. Also, Medicaid has grown from 60 million enrollees to 70 million, more than one American in five. Disability beneficiaries are up from 7.5 million to 8.8 million during the Obama administration.


Its somehow Obama's fault that disabilities went up?

Moreover, each day, about 10,000 people retire. As 77 million baby boomers retire and take more from the system than they contribute, the funding stream will further diminish, even as demands increase.

Mr. Matthews and Mr. Litow suggest three obvious solutions: Trim entitlement spending to realistic levels for those who need it most, eliminating incentives to remain on welfare. Enact policies to encourage economic growth. And switch to prefunded retirement programs with personal accounts and defined contributions, rather than defined-benefit plans, to eliminate long-term unfunded liabilities for companies and government agencies.

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/welfare-377774-poverty-million.html

Rich, let me know if you really want to get into this debate.

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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/16/2012 5:43:05 AM   
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Its fucked up and too long.

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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/16/2012 5:45:17 AM   
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The War on Poverty began in 1964 with Johnson.



And it's just out that we are spending $61,000 a year, per household in poverty, to fight it.



Sounds like typical government. Spend 61K per household to give them 15K in benefits.

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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/16/2012 6:05:14 AM   
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I wonder how man disabled are Iraq and Afghanistan war vets.  I know one from the W era (actually more than one) who will be adding to that number, but is not yet counted there.

Its fucked up and too long.

Injured war veterans get their Disability benefits through the VA, not the same program as "civilian" Disability benefits. I've got disabled subbies of both categories. I'm not sure if what the figure they are reporting is counting both together, or just talking about "civilian" statistics.

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RE: obama phones and common sense - 11/16/2012 9:32:23 AM   
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RE: Not easy for the GOP. - 11/16/2012 10:57:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, ideally for us they continue living in their bubble and then just die out because they will have made inadequate preparations for oxygen in the bubble. (This is because they believe god will provide for them and they don't need math and science, because those are liberal evils).

But, more likely, they will evolve. Only question is, will they evolve into something even scarier?

Oh, but wait, they don't believe in evolution, either. Hmmmm. I guess they are just going to die.....while waiting for god's salvation.....







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