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mnottertail -> The beset upon corporations (11/16/2012 10:36:11 AM)

American Bureau of Shipping (not for profit) has 60 Billion laying in the Caymans.  The Chinese fined them 20 million for tax fraud.

Here, they have done nothing wrong, and enjoy special status, even though it is plain they are criminals.

The National Football League (yanno, the one that negotiates all those juicy television contracts?)   Not for profit?

That sort of money in these not for profits could be dropped on the national debt.




Level -> RE: The beset upon corporations (11/16/2012 10:45:28 AM)

Agreed; a bunch of this offshore loophole shit needs to stop.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The beset upon corporations (11/16/2012 4:44:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

American Bureau of Shipping (not for profit) has 60 Billion laying in the Caymans.  The Chinese fined them 20 million for tax fraud.

Here, they have done nothing wrong, and enjoy special status, even though it is plain they are criminals.

The National Football League (yanno, the one that negotiates all those juicy television contracts?)   Not for profit?

That sort of money in these not for profits could be dropped on the national debt.


They're hardly criminals....they're paying taxes based on current law.

(And just for the record...this is the shit that makes this all so vibrantly hilarious.....each of these groups....NFL, Baseball, etc., pays out 100% of it's "income" to players and staff. And they ....all of them...pay full, 100% taxes. So...every dime is accounted for. It reminds me of all the bitching people do about illegal Mexicans/Hispanics overrunning our health care and unemployment systems. They all pay SSI, they all pay income taxes and unemployment (except for those who are paid cash....which is a less than nominal number)...none of which, they'll see a dime for...they will never collect a dime.

Economics 101 is a very simple class....most of you should take it.




Owner59 -> RE: The beset upon corporations (11/16/2012 4:59:38 PM)

Well...holding all that cash isn`t a crime ...but then asking for more tax cuts before they create more jobs......... is criminal blackmail....


We need to pass some laws to demonstrate that industry serves society and not the other way around.




mnottertail -> RE: The beset upon corporations (11/17/2012 4:28:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

American Bureau of Shipping (not for profit) has 60 Billion laying in the Caymans.  The Chinese fined them 20 million for tax fraud.

Here, they have done nothing wrong, and enjoy special status, even though it is plain they are criminals.

The National Football League (yanno, the one that negotiates all those juicy television contracts?)   Not for profit?

That sort of money in these not for profits could be dropped on the national debt.


They're hardly criminals....they're paying taxes based on current law.

(And just for the record...this is the shit that makes this all so vibrantly hilarious.....each of these groups....NFL, Baseball, etc., pays out 100% of it's "income" to players and staff. And they ....all of them...pay full, 100% taxes. So...every dime is accounted for. It reminds me of all the bitching people do about illegal Mexicans/Hispanics overrunning our health care and unemployment systems. They all pay SSI, they all pay income taxes and unemployment (except for those who are paid cash....which is a less than nominal number)...none of which, they'll see a dime for...they will never collect a dime.

Economics 101 is a very simple class....most of you should take it.


You might take it then, since you demonstrate inumeracy.
60 billion in the caymans is not a distribution.  Nobody said they were criminals in the US under our craven corporate capitulist laws, they are however criminals in the rest of the world.  Why do non-profit if there is no difference?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/18/republican-senator-targets-nfls-non-profit-status/


Waltz me thru the numbers, after you get thru the 101, K?





LookieNoNookie -> RE: The beset upon corporations (11/17/2012 6:19:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

American Bureau of Shipping (not for profit) has 60 Billion laying in the Caymans.  The Chinese fined them 20 million for tax fraud.

Here, they have done nothing wrong, and enjoy special status, even though it is plain they are criminals.

The National Football League (yanno, the one that negotiates all those juicy television contracts?)   Not for profit?

That sort of money in these not for profits could be dropped on the national debt.


They're hardly criminals....they're paying taxes based on current law.

(And just for the record...this is the shit that makes this all so vibrantly hilarious.....each of these groups....NFL, Baseball, etc., pays out 100% of it's "income" to players and staff. And they ....all of them...pay full, 100% taxes. So...every dime is accounted for. It reminds me of all the bitching people do about illegal Mexicans/Hispanics overrunning our health care and unemployment systems. They all pay SSI, they all pay income taxes and unemployment (except for those who are paid cash....which is a less than nominal number)...none of which, they'll see a dime for...they will never collect a dime.

Economics 101 is a very simple class....most of you should take it.


You might take it then, since you demonstrate inumeracy.
60 billion in the caymans is not a distribution.  Nobody said they were criminals in the US under our craven corporate capitulist laws, they are however criminals in the rest of the world.  Why do non-profit if there is no difference?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/18/republican-senator-targets-nfls-non-profit-status/


Waltz me thru the numbers, after you get thru the 101, K?




One has to put there money somewhere, the Caymans is a common place to store large sums.

GE, Microsoft and others do it as well.

It is not a sign of hiding money (as they so clearly state in their annual reports as to its location), it's a sign of (responsibly) not leaving it in open duffel bags out in the front lobby next to the Coke machine.

101.

"The Caymans" has become a demonized phrase by the press. It's nothing more than a place to safely keep money just like places in Switzerland, Brazil etc. If it can make more money there (such as in Brazil) or is subject to fewer taxes (such as in Switzerland) on the income from same, it's a prudent corporate move.

Reminds me of the froth some mid 1800's politician attempted to get voters all lathered up into when he said "and don't forget, my opponent has a sister who is a practicing thespian!"

People hear what they want to hear.

(Rarely do they hear what was actually said).




mnottertail -> RE: The beset upon corporations (11/17/2012 6:23:56 AM)

Uh, but that is another form of corporate welfare.  These companies exist for profit motives, and they don't deserve the tax break.

I see you haven't cracked the book.

Economic banditry, if it was the Japanese doing it to us would be illegal, the Corporate thugs doing it to us is great, and we need to give them more tax breaks to 'create'  (nothing, which is what they do).  




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The beset upon corporations (11/17/2012 6:26:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Uh, but that is another form of corporate welfare.  These companies exist for profit motives, and they don't deserve the tax break.


How, exactly, is putting reserves into a bank account, any place on the planet, a form of corporate welfare?




mnottertail -> RE: The beset upon corporations (11/17/2012 6:28:11 AM)

How the fuck is ignorance thought of as reason?

They get tax breaks as non-profits, when in fact they are for profit.  They are avoiding the laws of the nation thru disingenuous means.





LookieNoNookie -> RE: The beset upon corporations (11/17/2012 6:32:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

How the fuck is ignorance thought of as reason?

They get tax breaks as non-profits, when in fact they are for profit.  They are avoiding the laws of the nation thru disingenuous means.



quote:

They're hardly criminals....they're paying taxes based on current law.

(And just for the record...this is the shit that makes this all so vibrantly hilarious.....each of these groups....NFL, Baseball, etc., pays out 100% of it's "income" to players and staff. And they ....all of them...pay full, 100% taxes. So...every dime is accounted for. It reminds me of all the bitching people do about illegal Mexicans/Hispanics overrunning our health care and unemployment systems. They all pay SSI, they all pay income taxes and unemployment (except for those who are paid cash....which is a less than nominal number)...none of which, they'll see a dime for...they will never collect a dime.


Re-post for clarity:

They're hardly criminals....they're paying taxes based on current law.

(And just for the record...this is the shit that makes this all so vibrantly hilarious.....each of these groups....NFL, Baseball, etc., pays out 100% of it's "income" to players and staff. And they ....all of them...pay full, 100% taxes. So...every dime is accounted for. It reminds me of all the bitching people do about illegal Mexicans/Hispanics overrunning our health care and unemployment systems. They all pay SSI, they all pay income taxes and unemployment (except for those who are paid cash....which is a less than nominal number)...none of which, they'll see a dime for...they will never collect a dime.


Added:

All corporations get tax breaks.

You get tax breaks.




mnottertail -> RE: The beset upon corporations (11/17/2012 6:34:43 AM)

Reposted for the short fingers.

It is craven corporate capitulism of the right that these are non-profits.

It is not true, they are clearly for profit organizations.

It is not criminal, but it should be.





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