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RE: Are we headed cowards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 9:59:02 AM   
Thaz


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Status: offline 		I think the chances of fill on confrontation are reduced by the US Elections result. Mittens had a much harder line on both Iran (who after all are behnd a lot of the funding for all this) and in support of the harderline elements in TelA.

With the Iranians nuke plant having shit the bed the other night I think there's a 50/50 chance they might push a little harder or back off. Who knows? Someone with a better grasp on Iranian realpoltik I guess.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 11:26:16 AM   
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A bigger danger to peace could be if Hezbollah get hold of any of the chemical weapons said to be in Syria. That would escalate things out of all proportion.


That's the point of this thread polite.
How many countries are fighting either internally or other countries in the Middle East?
These days at any given time at least 3-4 conflicts all over the Middle East.

Who knows when Hezbollah, Hamas, or "whomever" gets chemical, nuclear or biological weapons?
Who knows what will happen in 6 months or 6 years?
Predicting an all out war at some time in the future, seems reasonable.

Part of the problem is, not facing that this could seriously happen, even as a synergistic event, is limited thinking.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 11:37:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then the question would be how many lives the west is prepared to lose, to prevent it from happening. I cant see invading Iran and Syria would make things any better.

The solution has to come from those involved. If they refuse to back down on both sides we need to decide if we just stand back and watch it happen, or take on side or another. Neither option presents any type of solution in my view.

As horrible as it seems, we may be reaching the point where nobody has a solution and the whole thing just escalates out of control.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 11:42:26 AM   
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As horrible as it seems, we may be reaching the point where nobody has a solution and the whole thing just escalates out of control.


THAT was the point of this thread.
It's NOT just based on today's current conflicts.

The fact is, as weapons capable of doing mass destruction become more available, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict that one day down the road, a chain of events could cause ALL out war in the Middle East.

As I have said many times on this thread, I am not taking about what is happening today---- I am talking about the future.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 11:44:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Marini my Sweet, didnt you just say that in your first reply, in not so many words

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 11:48:41 AM   
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I'm waiting for the day when rockets fired at Jerusalem damage or destroy the al-Aqsa mosque.

That ought to have some interesting consequences.

K.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 11:49:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Marini my Sweet, didnt you just say that in your first reply, in not so many words


Yes I did, and you got it.
polite? IF/WHEN it happens, I think we might just have to sit back and watch it.
Another question could be, "Can all out war in the Middle East, even be stopped or prevented?"

That's what I meant about the situation in the Middle East, being of Biblical proportions.

Maybe it CAN"T be stopped.
Maybe the best we can do, is kick the can down the road/ hold it at bay/contain "it", for as many years as possible.

Many of the responses were limited to the implications of only current escalations/wars/events, in particular the the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
I have learned that most people really can't see or go beyond what is happening today.

My OP was a questions for people to think about possibilities down the road/and years from TODAY.

Many can't express an idea, or make a point without 10 links to back them up.
Independent thought and critical thinking is dying a slow internet death.
Thanks for the interesting discourse, polite.


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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 12:05:28 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		I'm waiting for the day when rockets fired at Jerusalem damage or destroy the al-Aqsa mosque.

That ought to have some interesting consequences.

K.

Another interesting scenario K!

Sad thing is, I can think of many deadly scenario's off the top of my head.

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RE: Are we headed cowards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 12:17:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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Are the Palestinians recruiting good liberals to serve as human shields, by any chance?

I'm seeing potential candidates.


You have been a bit naughty lately.
You might be suffering from post-election depression OR
you are hankering for a spanking with a big paddle Mr.


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RE: Are we headed cowards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 1:14:29 PM   
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RE: Are we headed cowards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 1:27:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, I think 'conservative' cunts are brokering the war, since the middle east is something they demonstrably know nothing about.  They volunteer others, not themselve, pretend for a moment; if you will, that they all go to war, and our issue would be?

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 4:21:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

I suspect we will have hundreds of threads on the Middle East, indefinitely.

I have ONE question to ask.

How many think that in light of what has been happening in the past few years, including the latest Israeli/Palestinian conflict, that it is not far fetched to conclude, we may be seeing the beginning of ALL out war in the Middle East?

We all know that Israel and the Palestinians have been fighting for over 50 years, but with Palestinian getting increased support from Hamas and other "unknown" supporters, I think the tables might be turning.

I don't think many people see it as only the Palestinians against Israel in 2012.

I personally think there is so much going on, that it is starting to look really Biblical over there in the Middle East.

I don't see any of this ending in my lifetime, at the most, I predict lulls in the fighting.

What say you?

Are we headed to all out war in the Middle East?
If your answer is NO, please tell me why you feel that way also.


There will be no all out war in the Middle East.

The U.S. will back off, possibly assist (in the shadows) with Israel. As to other countries, we'll offer (again, shadow) assistance such that Russia and China can easily announce that they don't need to involve themselves because (we aren't).

And in 12 years....thanks to our drilling in the U.S., we'll be able to say.....go fuck yourself.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 4:31:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL, them Israelies are just pounding htie pud. end of joke.  When they do it, we think it is significant, when Iran does it we think it is war.  

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 5:01:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is certain the contradictions in the Arabian Peninsula will lead to some sort of a great social breakdown.

Since the region is quite heavily armed, and many of the religiously, and ethnically divided peoples are among clan and family based groups, and who often have been thoroughly whipped into great fanaticism of various sorts, it takes little thinking to see what path to Hell will be taken.

Saudi oil has peaked and the great Saudi welfare state needs equally great sums of money to support the "cradle to grave" quasi-socialistic kingdom. There are several generations of Saudis that have no more concept of the necessary lifestyle and skills to survive in their desert then you or I likely do. Nor is there even a place on their land for all of them such has their numbers grown. When this Islamic themed resort goes bankrupt and tosses the hapless inmates out there will be serious social problems.

The other Gulf emirates and sheikdoms have been showing similar cracks in their domains.

When the masses revolt it will be certain trouble and it will expand both regionally and internationally with great power.

Showing the religious hand, there are certain Islamic prophecies and folklore that claim the next prophet will take charge of the case and he will lead them on a great crusade. And the various Muslim priests reading them now claim the current portents are correct.

So this is where I think it will start.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 6:41:10 PM   
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When the masses revolt it will be certain trouble and it will expand both regionally and internationally with great power.

Showing the religious hand, there are certain Islamic prophecies and folklore that claim the next prophet will take charge of the case and he will lead them on a great crusade. And the various Muslim priests reading them now claim the current portents are correct.

So this is where I think it will start.


Sounds plausible, thanks for sharing.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 6:48:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you aren't familiar with that vision, Mari, Google up the 12th Imam, and read at your leisure.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 6:52:35 PM   
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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 7:10:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

If you aren't familiar with that vision, Mari, Google up the 12th Imam, and read at your leisure.


Thanks Rich, being aware that this is a real possibility is enough for me.

Watching what is unfurling in front of me and being aware of the Biblical predictions is also enough.

I really prefer to know what other people here are thinking, I don't need other sources.
I don't need the great swami to tell me what I think I can figure out.

Let's use our minds and the state of the affairs in the Middle East currently and for the last 40 years to make reasonable predictions.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 7:12:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Then the question would be how many lives the west is prepared to lose, to prevent it from happening. I cant see invading Iran and Syria would make things any better.

The solution has to come from those involved. If they refuse to back down on both sides we need to decide if we just stand back and watch it happen, or take on side or another. Neither option presents any type of solution in my view.

As horrible as it seems, we may be reaching the point where nobody has a solution and the whole thing just escalates out of control.

Seems to me Polite that nothing that we(the west) has ever initiated there takes hold or has long lasting effect.The only successful reform and or peace initiative is one that is of their own making.
Surely we(the west) should stand ever ready to encourage and aid them in all peaceful endeavors...but it must,it has to be of the home grown variety.

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RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? - 11/18/2012 7:19:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are we headed to ALL OUT WAR in the Middle East???

The Answer is yes, maybe not today, but we are going that way. To quote Bill Paxton from the Movie Aliens "We are on an Express Elevator Straight to Hell!"

There is nothing that is going to stop it. The US says that we are trying to bring democracy to the region, Well that's fine well and good if the people in these countries actually wanted democracy! They don't they have been under the blind control of the Mullah's for Centuries, and see any attempt to change that as an offense to Mohammad and his little wacky religion.

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