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ManWithFlamingPi -> Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 8:51:48 AM)
I created this profile just to ask this question, so please accept my apologies for the lack of personal information. You'll see why in a minute. I live in the U.S., not in the Virgin Islands, by the way. I'm just about to be divorced. My marriage was 100% vanilla, and I don't have any sub experience by way of cheating. I'm looking forward to entering the world of BDSM and trying to find my dominant soulmate. Here's the problem: while not a household name, within my profession, I'm very well known. I have two Grammy awards. I tour the country, both as a musician and as a public speaker at colleges. I'm also a college professor. I have a Wikipedia page, etc. It takes very little info for someone to be able to Google me and figure out who I am once they have a little bit of basic info and know what city I'm from. I believe that it would be detrimental to my career (mostly the college part) for me to be out as a submissive. Yet, I can't see getting to know anyone I'm looking to "date" (I don't even know what the terminology would be) without telling them who I am and what I do for a living. I am afraid of going to munches in my city. I am afraid of having a pic on any CM or Fetlife profile. Even if I start slowly, without a pic, at some point I will have to trust people, basically with my professional life. What if we have a couple of dates and they don't work out? Anyone I come into contact with could potentially ruin me. I've always admired the bravery and confidence of those of you who post pictures and play publicly. Is this possible for someone like me? I just want to be happy this time around.

Tantriqu -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 9:07:50 AM)
Same for me, except mine is international and I'm a Domme: however, the solution is simple. My comments are public, my relationships are publicly vanilla; however, my pictures are private and my sex is behind closed doors. Ta da! Simple, eh? And just like vanilla life: be completely single first, don't fuck on the 3rd date, and no photos or videos. Sure, it's no guarantee, but trust and care about your partner first and feel that the sentiment is returned, so at least if things turn sour, there was some sweetness to recall. Bonne chance! But if all you want is a sexual experience, well, you're on your own.

theRose4U -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 9:15:11 AM)
Ok first off welcome to the boards Second, a dash of "get ova ya self" will go a VERY long way towards getting what you seek. This lifestyle includes politicians, actors, musicians (with more grammys than you), sports figures & professors. They make it work. Face pics & specific details can be left out of your profile. I would however at least put the correct country...VI? Really? Only hidden money is kinky & hidden there. Umm or is that hinky & hidden? Anyway moving on... Male subs are a dime for 2 dozen so a little something special isn't all bad. There are ways to tell the truth about who you are inside without branding an album label on your forehead. For instance from what you've said: Music, education, travel, maybe teacher/student play could be interests. You're being honest...just not telling HOW honest! Sigh...as for divorce...keep this quiet & wait for all final judgements before stepping out farther than these forums. Ex spouses have absolutely tried to use this lifestyle to manipulate cash pay outs & custody. If this shoe fits, wearing it is wise. As for the idea of "I'm rich, I'm famous & people would be shocked to discover I'm sub" let me kill that fantasy now. Some of my personal subs that were particular favorites were C level executives (CEO,CFO,COO,CLO) of fortune 100 companies you probably hold stock in. For me the "big, strong, powerful man" on his knees buffing my hardwoods to a glossy shine is a particular turn on. Its much more common than you think for "men in charge" to enjoy time off, relief from their daily life with someone else taking care of the details. Its also a relief to have someone you can trust to run issues past, they sometimes have a perspective that simplifies "corporate bullshit". I once solved a multi-billion dollar stand off with a smart assed comment that worked! It was only reading the company & solution in the newspaper that even realized the effect my comment had. So anyway, welcome to the boards, be cautious but work on "get ova ya self"& enjoy the ride!

mnottertail -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 9:15:32 AM)
JohnWarren (although a dominant) was a college professor, a Marine Lieutenant in Viet Nam and not only wrote kinky how to books, but everyday vanilla stuff too. Nobody flipped out. I think it is theater of the mind. You can do all those things, and not be all poofy about it, like run around with your penis hanging out or something.......just.....a little polish, a little poise and don't be rabid about it all.

SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 9:17:57 AM)
First of all, welcome to the forums. Second, congrats on your awards. That's fantastic! As for your question, consider this: ANY woman you date could potentially create drama for you by taking risque photos, fabricating a paternity suit, or any number of other issues. D/s relationships are still relationships so, yes, there is some potential for drama. However, there is no more likelihood of it than with any other relationship. I think if you proceed slowly and build a solid foundation of trust and shared values, just as you would with any other dating relationship, you will have a positive experience. I don't think you need to worry about your submissive desires ruining your career. Just to give you a little perspective, I have a long-time buddy who is an openly dominant, intersex, psychic, fetish model, vampire and well-known pagan author. She has a master's degree in comparative religion and frequently speaks at Jesuit colleges and other universities without difficulty. I think you'll be okay. [;)]

theRose4U -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 9:36:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail JohnWarren (although a dominant) was a college professor, a Marine Lieutenant in Viet Nam and not only wrote kinky how to books, but everyday vanilla stuff too. Nobody flipped out. I will confess I did meet John & his lovely wife once. I went all giddy school girl inside after YEARS of talking to them online. No public flipping, just an inner happy dance! He really is as wise & kind as his books make him out to be (along with the whole Gorean Sadist thing)...sorry John didn't mean to make you sound too nice![:D]

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 10:22:51 AM)
Most adult people tend to follow basic precautionary measures in their personal life to ensure people don't take advantage of them. You don't leave home w/o locking your back door, and you don't allow strangers to know too much about your personal life until you've established some trust. I'm not sure I understand why you think these basics should change just because you decide to pursue this lifestyle. You know, some might take your assumption that getting into BDSM increases your chances of having your sex life made public as quite disparaging to others who practice this lifestyle. And your implication that very special you have more to lose than the rest of us comes across as hugely self-centered. Most of us don't want the details of our sex lives made public, and many could lose their jobs or family or children. You are not alone in that in the least. So what is the real issue here? That you could be outed? Or that you could be outed as a submissive male? Please take some time to answer that question for yourself. Because I get the feeling from your post that you have some inner things to resolve about being sub and being male. And unless and until you get those things resolved, you won't be in a good place to enter into any relationship, regardless of the dynamic. You certainly won't be in a good place to attract high quality females who will respect your boundaries. Remember, the best way to ensure relationship success is to be good relationship material. And that doesn't just mean financially well off and successful in your career, it means knowing who you are and what you want, and being good with that inside.

ManWithFlamingPi -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 10:43:14 AM)
quote: Most adult people tend to follow basic precautionary measures in their personal life to ensure people don't take advantage of them. You don't leave home w/o locking your back door, and you don't allow strangers to know too much about your personal life until you've established some trust. I'm not sure I understand why you think these basics should change just because you decide to pursue this lifestyle. You know, some might take your assumption that getting into BDSM increases your chances of having your sex life made public as quite disparaging to others who practice this lifestyle. And your implication that very special you have more to lose than the rest of us comes across as hugely self-centered. Most of us don't want the details of our sex lives made public, and many could lose their jobs or family or children. You are not alone in that in the least. So what is the real issue here? That you could be outed? Or that you could be outed as a submissive male? Please take some time to answer that question for yourself. Because I get the feeling from your post that you have some inner things to resolve about being sub and being male. And unless and until you get those things resolved, you won't be in a good place to enter into any relationship, regardless of the dynamic. You certainly won't be in a good place to attract high quality females who will respect your boundaries. Remember, the best way to ensure relationship success is to be good relationship material. And that doesn't just mean financially well off and successful in your career, it means knowing who you are and what you want, and being good with that inside. You raise some very good points here. My main concerns have to do with what being outed as a submissive male would do to my career. What public perception of that would do to my career. I interview prospective students with their parents. I represent our program on panels, etc. There is a quasi "morals clause" in my contract that could result in my termination if someone decided to make a stink about it. Clearly, there is risk here. Yet there you are, with your picture for anyone on Collar Me to see. You seem to be comfortable with that. So do many others. Is it just a leap of faith that those who are in the scene won't violate protocol and blab? I have hundreds of present and former students, and they are all on Facebook 24 hours a day. I also speak and perform in front of hundreds more at other universities. If one of them were to see my picture, or see me at a munch and decide to post about it, I could potentially be screwed. Remember, I've been in a monogamous vanilla relationship for 30 years. I'd like to meet people and find out more about what I'm feeling. I'd like to find out how to be comfortable with who I am. I'd like to come out of this shell and maybe get a little support. I'm not sure how to do that and still protect myself.

fetisheden -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 10:52:01 AM)
there are millions of people online & nobody would have known any of your business had you not posted it quote: ORIGINAL: ManWithFlamingPi I created this profile just to ask this question, so please accept my apologies for the lack of personal information. You'll see why in a minute. I live in the U.S., not in the Virgin Islands, by the way. I'm just about to be divorced. My marriage was 100% vanilla, and I don't have any sub experience by way of cheating. I'm looking forward to entering the world of BDSM and trying to find my dominant soulmate. Here's the problem: while not a household name, within my profession, I'm very well known. I have two Grammy awards. I tour the country, both as a musician and as a public speaker at colleges. I'm also a college professor. I have a Wikipedia page, etc. It takes very little info for someone to be able to Google me and figure out who I am once they have a little bit of basic info and know what city I'm from. I believe that it would be detrimental to my career (mostly the college part) for me to be out as a submissive. Yet, I can't see getting to know anyone I'm looking to "date" (I don't even know what the terminology would be) without telling them who I am and what I do for a living. I am afraid of going to munches in my city. I am afraid of having a pic on any CM or Fetlife profile. Even if I start slowly, without a pic, at some point I will have to trust people, basically with my professional life. What if we have a couple of dates and they don't work out? Anyone I come into contact with could potentially ruin me. I've always admired the bravery and confidence of those of you who post pictures and play publicly. Is this possible for someone like me? I just want to be happy this time around.

BambiBoi -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 11:18:15 AM)
You're right to worry, but not to be afraid. I understand fully, and have taken down even redacted pictures of myself from these sorts of sites. But I still meet people. I don't like/allow pictures to be taken with me in kink positions or outfits. I gladly volunteer to be the photographer. I understand the fear of being outed at an event. (Especially if you are who I think you are). But here's the reality: 1) No one cares nearly as much as you think they do. 2) The picture of you at a coffee shop with a bunch of other couples (a munch) is not the juicy bit that ends up in tabloids. 3) The community is very understanding about maintaining a public mask, especially if you use your common sense when it comes to people. I agree that you should keep things nice and cool until your divorce is totally finalized. Also, avoid pro-anythings because you don't need the appearance of impropriety. Other than that, meet people in a very vanilla setting first and for a few times. A first date in a potential BDSM relationship can (should?) be indistinguishable from a vanilla relationship.

LadyPact -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 11:21:21 AM)
Since nobody else has mentioned it, I'd like to commend you for doing the honorable thing and not attempting to gain you 'submissive' experience by cheating on your wife. We see a lot of folks doing it the other way around, so it's nice to see someone who is standing by their values and being a man first and a kinky person second. I think what CP had to say has some merit here. Frankly, from the music part of your career, your work and popularity in that field could go up. Have you seen the reaction of hints of BDSM in music, video, etc? It's darn near guaranteed sales. Sex sells and these days, kinky sex sells better. For your teaching career, it's really pretty simple. Our household has some similar career concerns, so we make things pretty simple. My husband doesn't put incriminating things online of any of his activities. (I have way more latitude.) He doesn't post play pictures on any social site. We are still able to be active in the local scene for munches and events. We even live as a poly family without too much worry. As to your morals clause in your contract, even if someone 'blabbed' that they saw you at a munch, that doesn't violate you. You can't be tossed from your position for having dinner or even from attending a kinky party. Go to events that have photography restrictions (most play parties do) and you'll be golden. You can't be fired for things that can't be proven, can you?

chatterbox24 -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 11:42:17 AM)
It sounds as if you might be a bit jealous of the openness some show in this lifestyle, its like HERE I AM I HAVE NO WORRIES! I can understand that, something very freeing about that. In the position you are in though, under no circumstances would I do that. I wouldnt mention to anyone you are well known, I definitely wouldnt share any kind of risky pictures for a very very long time if ever. Really, depends if you are going for playing the field, or finding one right person also. Until you know someone really really well, I wouldnt even tell them your full name, I would just be honest, that you didnt feel comfortable with that until a future time. Its not being dishonest, its protecting yourself. If you are honest in every other way, they will understand that. If you arent available etc once you know that person, the no full name thing though might make them think you are married (after your divorce) So being available in every other way might alleviate alot of their concerns. Being in the career position you are, has its downfalls, with coming out so to speak. I dont think I would give to much info for months, and even then its a crap shot. ALways a risk though, as with anything. These are only thoughts. Good luck!

DeaconStone -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 12:03:28 PM)
I am an artist, I'm working on a book, I have been in the entertainment industry... no grammy, but my opinion is if you make it a thing you are ashamed of then you will be ashamed of it. I'm proud to say I love two people, neither of which I am with. Both left me for their own reasons and both refuse to communicate which I find is hard for me to deal with at times. I practice transparency when it comes to my work, kink, heart, and just about everything. Honesty is the best policy. I believe in love, and I have no issue explaining my thoughts on love, sexual experimentation, or anything for that matter. While its true, brands have identities that try to maintain the middle ground, as a person, consumer, etc... I rather empower that which is honest to itself. I create art in that manner, and when I do...its about the art. I create games in that matter, and when I do its about the games. I am not work...work is work... I am a human being and as a result, I enjoy having freedoms. Freedom of choice, freedom of expression, freedom to be the person I wish to be, and love the people I wish to love. My freedoms don't limit others freedoms. I feel you are limiting yourself, but in doing so, you are empowering that which limits everyone in a way. Will some people act adversely if they discover your sexual interests? Perhaps...but in my opinion, there are plenty of others who would understand, and wouldn't you rather end up rallying those people together and empowering that? Either way, each of us face our own choices in such matters. As an artist who creates, I time to time create kink work. I keep such work posted in the proper places because some things shouldn't mix together in the sense that children may come across it. Yet if some teenager were to look me up to see who I was beyond that art. I'd prefer that they discover that I am my own unique person, with my own interests, and while we all differ I rather they get the message that they should be brave and be who they are with integrity and passion. In that transparency I send the message that states in my opinion that I am an adult. I am who I am and do my best to be my best everyday and I have nothing to hide because ultimately whether I like to whip people, or masturbate with fruit, does not define who I am. These are not representations of my ethics, but rather activities that I may pursue for leisure, enjoyment, pleasure or lack there of... and there is nothing wrong with such when its safe, sane, and consensual. That being said, I am a professional. I don't put such things to the forefront when they have no business being there. I don't introduce myself to people as some kinky master. If I'm meeting artists, I introduce myself as a fellow artist. If I'm meeting musicians, I point out the that I play many instruments and sometimes write my own songs for fun. Either way, I don't think you should be afraid to be who you are. If you are, you only empower fear and people who would only take negative action for such fear. My opinion is not always held by many but I put it out there regardless because its what I believe and I do so with hope for the best, and cautious of the worst. Here is a shameless plug now for my humble artistic creations If you like my art... press the like button and I'm fairly certain that your love of art will not reflect poorly in any way on who you are as a person :) That being said, I hope no one who finds this is a crazy serial killer type or over-zealous religous people. When those people approach me, I tend to have long conversations that leave them confused and bewildered that their preconceived notions were illusions that keep us apart rather then coming together...shrug... I think that is funny. One world, one love, we are all its people. Empower the truth, create change, create, discover, grow, and communicate. Best of luck with your dilemma.

chatterbox24 -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 12:16:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DeaconStone I am an artist, I'm working on a book, I have been in the entertainment industry... no grammy, but my opinion is if you make it a thing you are ashamed of then you will be ashamed of it. I'm proud to say I love two people, neither of which I am with. Both left me for their own reasons and both refuse to communicate which I find is hard for me to deal with at times. I practice transparency when it comes to my work, kink, heart, and just about everything. Honesty is the best policy. I believe in love, and I have no issue explaining my thoughts on love, sexual experimentation, or anything for that matter. While its true, brands have identities that try to maintain the middle ground, as a person, consumer, etc... I rather empower that which is honest to itself. I create art in that manner, and when I do...its about the art. I create games in that matter, and when I do its about the games. I am not work...work is work... I am a human being and as a result, I enjoy having freedoms. Freedom of choice, freedom of expression, freedom to be the person I wish to be, and love the people I wish to love. My freedoms don't limit others freedoms. I feel you are limiting yourself, but in doing so, you are empowering that which limits everyone in a way. Will some people act adversely if they discover your sexual interests? Perhaps...but in my opinion, there are plenty of others who would understand, and wouldn't you rather end up rallying those people together and empowering that? Either way, each of us face our own choices in such matters. As an artist who creates, I time to time create kink work. I keep such work posted in the proper places because some things shouldn't mix together in the sense that children may come across it. Yet if some teenager were to look me up to see who I was beyond that art. I'd prefer that they discover that I am my own unique person, with my own interests, and while we all differ I rather they get the message that they should be brave and be who they are with integrity and passion. In that transparency I send the message that states in my opinion that I am an adult. I am who I am and do my best to be my best everyday and I have nothing to hide because ultimately whether I like to whip people, or masturbate with fruit, does not define who I am. These are not representations of my ethics, but rather activities that I may pursue for leisure, enjoyment, pleasure or lack there of... and there is nothing wrong with such when its safe, sane, and consensual. That being said, I am a professional. I don't put such things to the forefront when they have no business being there. I don't introduce myself to people as some kinky master. If I'm meeting artists, I introduce myself as a fellow artist. If I'm meeting musicians, I point out the that I play many instruments and sometimes write my own songs for fun. Either way, I don't think you should be afraid to be who you are. If you are, you only empower fear and people who would only take negative action for such fear. My opinion is not always held by many but I put it out there regardless because its what I believe and I do so with hope for the best, and cautious of the worst. Here is a shameless plug now for my humble artistic creations If you like my art... press the like button and I'm fairly certain that your love of art will not reflect poorly in any way on who you are as a person :) That being said, I hope no one who finds this is a crazy serial killer type or over-zealous religous people. When those people approach me, I tend to have long conversations that leave them confused and bewildered that their preconceived notions were illusions that keep us apart rather then coming together...shrug... I think that is funny. One world, one love, we are all its people. Empower the truth, create change, create, discover, grow, and communicate. Best of luck with your dilemma. That would be great wouldnt it? We could all show our true colors to the whole world and be accepted and people say oh thats ok we wont cause you any grief? Your an artist, people expect you to be quirky, different and out there. THis guys position is much different, it would ruin his career.......BOOM BOOM BOOM. Sad but true. Good post though.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 12:28:27 PM)
Okay, I interpreted your post to mean your big fear is that one of your students might see you at a public event and out you as a submissive on Facebook or some other social networking site, is this correct? Most BDSM events are not the huge free-for-all you presume them to be. Everyone there has concerns similar to you own, and discretion is the rule, not the exception. Pictures are forbidden at most events, last names are not asked (nick names or scene names are very popular), and orientation (dom or sub) is information you volunteer to those individuals you feel comfortable with. Munches, which are pure social events, ban fetish wear and any practice that could be perceived as too 'out there' for a public place. So if you attend a munch, the worst thing that can happen is someone sees you and posts it. You ignore that, since they could easily be mistaken (unless your physical presence is so extreme you can't be mistaken for anyone else). If a colleague questions you about the posting, you say they must be mistaken. Ho hum. Not everything on the net is fact, and most adults know that. This is why I 'risk' having my picture here. Okay, there is a blonde woman that looks like me on CM. Um, big deal. You have to know much more about my personal life to know it really is me. The people with that info I trust. As far as quote: I'd like to meet people and find out more about what I'm feeling. I'd like to find out how to be comfortable with who I am. I'd like to come out of this shell and maybe get a little support. I'm not sure how to do that and still protect myself. You go slow and interact only with those you've taken the time to get to know and trust. In other words, don't rush off in outrageous fetish wear to every public BDSM event you can find, proclaiming your new submissive status while letting complete strangers take your picture in compromising situations. How hard is that? BTW: This message board is an excellent place to begin your exploration, lots of people with years of experience. People who behave like they truly want to learn find it very supportive.

theRose4U -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 12:45:36 PM)
I think LP nailed it! She openly more "out there" than many on this forum with edge play, seminars, poly etc with a mister & clip that have a great deal to lose from someone imagining "improper relationships". That being said, someone you know at a munch, or this site DUH they probably have something to lose as well. When you throw yourself down & write welcome on your forehead its easy to see how people would try to walk all over you & sling mud. If you stand in your power (yes submissives have a great deal of this) its much harder for people to create cracks & do harm. Anonimity in these forums is probably a safe place to dip your toe in the pond, ask questions, get answers & throw some not so sex driven "what if x" questions out like you already have. Using the search function for celebrity kinksters & current kink in music thread up in news...you may very well find your name listed as someone fans suspected, or wished, was kinky. Once you get used to some of the "outward signs" of this lifestyle people watching becomes MUCH more entertaining!!! That lovely necklace your agents secretary always wears suddenly means something.

DarkSteven -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 1:00:37 PM)
It'd hurt the outer as much as the outee. If I were to disclose someone's identity online, I'd get banned from all groups and from the community itself. There is a very strong code of discretion, and keeping identities private.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 3:30:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ManWithFlamingPi I created this profile just to ask this question, so please accept my apologies for the lack of personal information. You'll see why in a minute. I live in the U.S., not in the Virgin Islands, by the way. I'm just about to be divorced. My marriage was 100% vanilla, and I don't have any sub experience by way of cheating. I'm looking forward to entering the world of BDSM and trying to find my dominant soulmate. Here's the problem: while not a household name, within my profession, I'm very well known. I have two Grammy awards. I tour the country, both as a musician and as a public speaker at colleges. I'm also a college professor. I have a Wikipedia page, etc. It takes very little info for someone to be able to Google me and figure out who I am once they have a little bit of basic info and know what city I'm from. I believe that it would be detrimental to my career (mostly the college part) for me to be out as a submissive. Yet, I can't see getting to know anyone I'm looking to "date" (I don't even know what the terminology would be) without telling them who I am and what I do for a living. I am afraid of going to munches in my city. I am afraid of having a pic on any CM or Fetlife profile. Even if I start slowly, without a pic, at some point I will have to trust people, basically with my professional life. What if we have a couple of dates and they don't work out? Anyone I come into contact with could potentially ruin me. I've always admired the bravery and confidence of those of you who post pictures and play publicly. Is this possible for someone like me? I just want to be happy this time around. "Sub experience by way of cheating". By any other name....that'd be cheating. Get a divorce (not a "separation"), then play. Nuff said. (By the way, I have 7 patents to my name 3 worldwide, if you checked my name I have over 11,000 "hits" on Google and others. Wikipeodia, might have one or two listings...not sure....my staff handles that but....if you ain't divorced {i.e., "NOT MARRIED"} you're cheating). The fact that you're "well known" doesn't mean shit to me...I'm known (actually, that's not entirely true....my products are known) on all continents. You're cheating...or considering it...ergo....you're slime....until you aren't. If that wasn't clear, you're free to post again, wherein which I'll explain the entire thing again. You're married. Conversation over. (Integrity matters).

kalikshama -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 5:03:13 PM)
quote: I'm just about to be divorced. My marriage was 100% vanilla, and I don't have any sub experience by way of cheating. I'm looking forward to entering the world of BDSM and trying to find my dominant soulmate. If I read this correctly, you don't have any real life experience. What fantasies are floating your boat - physical or mental submission? If it's physical, how about having a session with a Pro and see if it's something you like IRL? (I get into different headspaces depending on whether I am playing at a dungeon, play party, friend-with-benefits, or someone I care about, but the common denominator is that pain and dominance makes me wet.)

kalikshama -> RE: Is this even possible? (11/24/2012 5:05:47 PM)
quote: You're cheating...or considering it...ergo....you're slime....until you aren't. It sounded to me that his question is how to find a partner AFTER he's divorced.

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