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Inducing lactation - 11/30/2012 8:43:45 PM   
MistressRaina92


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Status: offline 		Im curious, and was wondering how to go about inducing lactation without being pregnant. I've done a little research, but success stories would be helpful :)
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RE: Inducing lactation - 11/30/2012 9:24:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		La leche league would be best source of info I know of. From what I understand if you use a pump often enough you can convince your body to produce some (not enough to keep baby fully happy) milk.

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RE: Inducing lactation - 11/30/2012 10:55:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		When people attempt to induce lactation in order to feed an adopted infant, they can be helped along by hormonal treatments that mimic the changes taking place in late pregnancy and childbirth and that can help to kick start it. These aren't things you can just buy though, and I doubt a doctor would prescribe them for kink.

So, your next option is to try and induce lactation through pumping milk. Your best bet would be a hospital grade breast pump (for god sake not animal milking equipment, regardless of what they say in stories) which run into the thousands to buy. You can get cheaper ones. You probably would want an electric double pump to do both breasts at once. You'd have to pump for about 20 minutes at a time every 2-3 hours for the first few months (day and night). Once you have good amounts of milk you can cut this down to less frequent intervals but it depends on your body. Some people can maintain a supply with just 3 sessions a day. I DID have a baby to get me started and my supply dropped if I pumped less than 8 times a day. It's pretty tying. If you are successful you will find it very uncomfortable and may leak if you are late pumping. Your body works on a supply and demand system, assuming if you're not taking the milk out you don't need it, so it makes less. So it's not something you can set up and then play with once or twice a week, it takes work to maintain it. You may also find you are limited in what medicines you can take (the birth control pill will damage supply for example, and if your partner intends to drink the milk he/she is at risk of ingesting your medications). Supply will also go down if you are dehydrated or not eating enough - if you wanted to maintain a decent amount you would have to up your calories to make it.

Some people, even with dedication, won't be able to produce milk this way, and others only a trickle. For a lot of people it is possible if you are extremely dedicated.

I will say this: pumping is not comfortable. It takes over your life. Leaking or swollen boobs are unpleasant and stopping suddenly puts you at risk of clogged ducts or even mastitis. You will have to give up your sleep and find time to pump at work. So while I respect this as a kink, it's not something I would be starting on a whim.

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/1/2012 7:28:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you so much for this honest and straightforward reply - something I too had been thinking about but now will be thinking twice about lol...

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/1/2012 9:21:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes that was very helpful. It's an interesting kink, but unless you have children, it's a bit much to get into or try to upkeep.

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/1/2012 10:25:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hope it doesn't sound like I'm dismissing anyone's interest, I just hear a lot of people discussing this without realising what a huge undertaking it is. I just got done pumping milk for my baby who couldn't feed the normal way at birth. I had several midwives and lactation consultants express surprise that I had been able to keep it up, which shows how few people do it long term. And again, that's with the help of pregnancy hormones. I also know a couple of women who had babies and still couldn't respond to a breast pump, even though they did have milk. I would hate to think of someone trying and trying and not getting anywhere. I'll be honest - it was a miserable experience. Very tying (had to be home for every interval). At one point I had cuts on the nipples which didn't heal because the tugging of the pump just kept pulling them open. And I was on maternity leave, so I didn't have to worry about work. Would I do it again for my kids? Yes. Would I have stuck with it if it was for fun? Hell no. It meant I had to be up in the night even if the baby didn't wake, and any parent will tell you why that's torture. I cried from lack of sleep daily.

One other thing I forgot to mention is that your hormone levels will change - they have to, in order to produce milk. Now I imagine without the baby and likely producing only a small amount of milk, it's not as big as change as postpartum women experience. But one thing to bear in mind is that a common effect of those hormonal changes is a lack of sex drive, and vaginal dryness. So if you are doing this as a sexual thing, and hit that particular effect, you may well lose interest.

If you were to google I imagine you would find support forums for women who are trying to develop a milk supply for an adopted baby, which might give you an idea of what they try. Obviously I wouldn't suggest posting there since it might hurt people's feelings to think of their struggle as a kink.

So what I would say is go for it - as long as you really REALLY want this. It seems when I see it mentioned it seems to be the male pushing for this so it's important if that's the case that he researches and is ready to compensate for all the stuff you won't be able to do when tethered to the pump.

Phew. Sorry about the essays! It's become a bit of a sensitive subject for me.

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/1/2012 2:32:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't apologize for the lengthy responses. They're very insightful, and yes it was his idea. But I think it may change once he realizes the struggle it is. But really I can't thank you enough for sharing your wisdom on the subject

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/7/2012 7:52:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		just ask your dr to get the pill for lactation it is a double dose and no off week and at the end it is changed over to oxyticin prolactin many drs prescribe bcp for induced lactation there are groups that support this as well also contact the lalech leag they have much more info and can find groups near you

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/7/2012 9:04:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have read that someone suckling in the same manner as an infant can induce lactation. Is there any truth to this?
Does lactation have anything to do with breast size (in the case of induction and otherwise)?

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/7/2012 10:10:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've heard that 20 minutes twice a day on a breast pump will do it in a few weeks. I did a quick facts check because I know that too much with a pump and you can actually reduce or shut down lactation (apparently 30 minutes or more) . I found this FAQ and the answers seem informative.

-Frequently Asked Questions About Induced Lactation-

Do I need to take birth control as part of the induction process?

Most definitely NO!!! You do not need to take birth control at all in the induction process. You will hear other supposed professionals tout needing to use birth control pills to simulate pregnancy and birth, but this is NOT needed as shown in studies that were done and also the many clients that I have helped over the years, and studies I have done. Not using it will make you lactate regardless, so there is no need to subject your body to birth control. In fact, it can hinder lactation.

What is the correct dom dosage for lactation?

The correct dom dosage for lactation is 10-20 mg three to four times a day for a total of 30-80 mg daily preferably an hour and a half after meals. Studies have recently shown that dom is absorbed by the body 23% more if taken 1 1/2 hours after meals. However, recent recommendations have stated up to 90-160 mg daily (30 mg 3x/day to 40 mg 4x/day). The range is given as everyone is different as far as how their system reacts to dom- some may need more than others to benefit. Dom can also be taken at any time during the induction process, along with a regular schedule of stimulation.

Are there any side effects or contraindications to taking domperidone (motilium)?

Side effects are very rare and include headache and dry mouth. Some people also complain of GI upset, but that most likely happens if you don't take it 1 1/2 hours after eating. Because there is a range of the dom dosage, if you experience headaches you can adjust the dosage accordingly. If you are taking any other medications, please see your doctor or pharmacist first to see if there are any potential medication interactions.

How long should I stay on domperidone?

The norm is about 6 months, then you slowly wean off of it and continue your schedule of stimulation, and if you take herbs, continue taking them.

Are there any other medications that can be used for induction?

Reglan(Metoclopramide) has been used over the years but is currently not recommended as one of the side effects is severe depression. On a personal note I have taken it a couple times myself but never again even though it brought in drops in 24 hours. The side effects I experienced were just way too much to handle, including extreme restlessness, and upset GI system.

How much stimulation is the right amount?

The optimum schedule for stimulation is every 3-4 hours, for a maximum of 30 minutes. Recent studies have shown that more than 30 minutes for each session can shut off the signal in the brain to produce more milk. Stimulation can be in the form of massage, suckling, or using a hospital grade pump.

What is the right kind of breast pump to use and can it be used to induce lactation rather than just be used after you get at least drops?

A pump can be used at any time in the induction process, even at the beginning, and also can be used alone for the induction process. Some people will say that you can not induce by a pump alone, but it does work. The best pump is a hospital grade pump, especially one that not only the amount of suction can be regulated, but also the cycles of suction. Some of the best deals for pumps can be found on ebay www.ebay.com

Once I get at least drops, how can I increase the flow?

The body works on a supply and demand basis, so the more you stimulate, the more you produce. There are also certain herbs that will work to increase flow. The most popular is fenugreek, but some shy away from it as it has a side effect of making your body fluids (sweat, urine) smell like maple. Recommended dose is 2-4 500mg capsules three times daily with meals. Blessed Thistle is the second most popular herb, and it can have a laxative effect on your system. The dosage is 3-4 capsules 3 times per day and for the tincture 10-20 drops (2 ml) 2-4 times per day.

How long does it take to induce lactation?

Everyone is different as to how long it takes and there are many variables- what method you use, how often you stimulate, stress, any other medications and herbs, etc etc Using domperidone along with a regular schedule of stimulation is the fastest method.

Can I induce without medication and or herbs?

If you are adamant about inducing without the use of domperidone, you have to be extremely strict with a schedule, but it can work. It can be a very long winded and discouraging process, but it can be done. Induction with just using herbs does not work- herbs are really only good once you have at least drops, not for the induction process itself.

Do I need to change my diet at all while lactating?

Experts recommend eating approximately 500 extra calories above your usual non-breastfeeding intake. The calcium recommendation for nursing women is 1,000 milligrams (mg) per day. It's fine to get more than the recommended dietary allowance as long as your total daily intake is less than 2,500 mg. Try to get your calcium through food instead of a vitamin supplement — your body will absorb it better.

Can I induce lactation just to increase my breast size?

Just like the advertisements you see for herbal mixtures that say you will increase breast size if you use their product, the body does not work that way so there is no guarantee that you will increase size, and if there is any, it will only be a temporary measure just like the herbal mixtures.

Reference and contact info at: http://www.inducedlactation.net/

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/8/2012 6:20:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Domperidone is actually a medicine you can buy over the counter for stomach upsets (I think it's called motillium?). The possible increase in breast milk is a side effect. Some doctors round here won't prescribe it for lactation because it's technically not licensed for that in the UK. I couldn't get it when I was struggling for that reason and the lactation consultants seemed to feel it was only really effective in the six weeks following childbirth (not that I had cause to ask about people lactating without childbirth). I bought it over the counter anyway in a moment of desperation and sadly it didn't work for me. I also tried other herbal galactagogues like fenugreek. It's hard to say if they worked or if it was just all the extra pumping. All things you could try though if you wanted to cover all the bases.

Re the extra calories: bear in mind the 300-500 extra calories are what it takes to sustain a baby through exclusive breastfeeding. You're unlikely to be producing that much milk, so eating that many extra calories is likely to cause weight gain.

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/8/2012 11:07:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it would be quite hard and I don't like the idea of pumping medicines into a body which does not need them, doesn't sit easily with my view that the dom's role in part is to care for the sub.
I think my views on this topic are coloured by the fact that when I fed babies I felt much less sexy. The process of breastfeeding is one of the most wonderful things I've done and there is a huge build up, then the let down reflex happens, the milk lets down, the baby feeds and your beta endorphin/pleasure hormones go through the roof and you bond to and adore that baby/babies and I felt much less interested in that shortish period in sex with their father so to put myself into that hormonal state which to me means I don't feel sexy I don't think would work... although a dom might say so what if he gets whe he wants but it's certainly not something I've ever fantasised about or wanted.

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/8/2012 6:16:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		MistressRaina,

I can give you some information. I actually successfully induced lactation myself, I've never been pregnant, nor have I ever lactated. It was a long term desire/dream of mine and I decided to finally try it for a potential Master. Several people above gave you good information, I would really suggest doing some google searches for adoptive lactation, many adoptive mothers induce, also a couple good websites to check out are Ask Lenore, which is very detailed on the process, and The Land of Milk and Honey which is nice because it's geared towards adult couples that want to share the experience for sexual gratification and bonding and it's not a porno site, which I really appreciated.

For me it was a really wonderful process, yes your breasts grow a bit and become sensitive/sore but for me that was part of the fun! They also felt very alive in a way I never experienced before. I felt very feminine while lactating, having your partner suckle milk from your breasts can be a wonderful fulfilling/bonding experience for both of you, but to my great disappointment the relationship I induced for didn't work out so I let them go dry, I kept it going for about 5 months.

A little about my process, I did take dom, and I also bought a double electric pump, I bought mine at Target for about $300 and it worked well for me. It took me a very short time to begin making milk. (which may have been sped up by the fact that I had previously tried to induce with just pumping). At first it's just drops but I was soon able to get sprays and a small streams, although at the height of the process I was only producing 2-3 OZ a day, but that was just pumping 1-3 times a day and with no one suckling.

In the end I let it go primarily because I no longer had the specific relationship, but also because it is a VERY time consuming process, I had a really hard time fitting in pumping sessions into my daily routine.

I was also very worried about things like leaking and was armed with breast shields in my purse at all times, but I never had any issues with leaking at all, of course I was only producing a small amount. I was also worried about infections, what would I tell my Dr at my annual exam, what would i do if i was staying overnight somewhere I couldn't bring my pump, etc.

There are a lot of things to consider, I would say that inducing lactation can be a wonderful experience, but I would never do it again unless I was in a relationship with a man who is VERY into lactation and VERY committed to the whole long process, if he just thinks it's sexy and turns him on and he thinks it would be fun during sex or play I would be very reluctant, it really needs to be a serious desire for both of you to go through all the risks, work, and time commitments.

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RE: Inducing lactation - 12/17/2012 2:53:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was able to induce lactation by someone suckling from me. We did it over a long period of time.

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